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I'm a Bills fan as I've mentioned previously, and while I don't "like" Brady, he certainly has my respect as a player for what he's consistently accomplished on the field.

You know who doesn't respect Brady? Former Redskins D-lineman, Dexter Manley

What an idiot.

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Your Bills look like a ball club, Vinnie.
They're comin' around.

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I would love Brady if he could hook up a brother with a sister?
Her sisters are way hotter!

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...de702b314d.jpg

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I bet I'd be happy with their Mom, Carlos.
Those 3 look like they'd want to talk and stuff. Ugh.

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That's why God made noise-cancelling headphones.

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You could always stuff your socks in their mouth, but with three of them, odds are pretty strong that one's gonna figure out how to get them out.
Then the noise is REALLY gonna come.
I'd just as soon leave em home. :tu

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I would very, very patiently wait until they were done talking.:r

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You're a better man than I, Carlos.
I'd rather send them off to get me a sammich and paint the house.

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TB 12 joins the 400 TD pass club now number 4 on the list, that don't count the 53 playoff TD's:banger

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Really, socks, socks is what you came up with to stuff in their mouths to shut them up ... socks? :tf

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What happened to TB 1-11? :confused:

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Gisele Bundchen is releasing a coffee table book, showcasing her best moments as a model. The book can be had for the low, low price of $700, which seems like a steal compared the autographed version that will retail for $2,000.
She bares it all in the book with all the money going to charity!!

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She stole my idea.
I just suggested this idea to The Admiral not but a few measly months ago while we were double-teaming Tom.
Pillow talk always tends to bite your ass.

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I'm calling our lawyer.

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We have a lawyer?
:sh

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I bet both versions will not lose much value and make increase in value over the next decade.

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We used to have lawyers, didn't we?

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Oh, we have lawyers. Trust me (and them).

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I know we threw a bunch in the kitchen that time Peter started the fire in the microwave with his Jiffy Pop.
They are super handy to have around.

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Tom Brady earns record-tying eighth AFC Player of Month award!!!:r

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My dog got his head stuck in between the ballusters going up the steps for the 10th time this week.
I gave him a participation trophy.

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I think my sister won that award once. :r

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It's time to pay the Colts back..Tom should hang 50 on a team and franchise that is soft as baby poo:banger

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Did James Harrison make him give it back?

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Harrison threw it, and Bubs brought it back.
Before long it was a fist-fight.

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No matter how well Tom Brady plays or the Pats win; everyone seems to think their QB and team is better...

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The Admiral may argue that point. ;)

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:r

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Bazinga. :lr

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Read enough on this thread and forum, and Brady doesn't even make several members' "Top 5 QB's" currently playing in the NFL...

This is to say, too much emotion about the NFL... Anyone objective would have TB on the Top 5.

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I gave Tom his due stroke. He's awesome.
I'd probably pick like this:
Rodgers
Brady/Manning (toss-up for 2nd)
Roethlisberger/Brees (toss-up for 3rd)

I added a lot of factors. If I were to list them based on just this year, it'd be:
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees
...and Brees could easily be out of this year's equation all together.

If Brady isn't coming up on anyone's "Top 5 QB's currently playing in the NFL" list, their hate is far stronger than their common sense, Mose. :tu

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Exactly what I am inferring. He should be Top 3, I was being generous on Top 5.

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Your kidding? When Brady is finished he will be the greatest of all time, actuality he already is.:D
The Brady.. Manning compassion ended years ago, Payton is not even in the conversation any more.

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Your argument depends on 2 things, at least.
1.) If you've ever heard of Joe Montana.
2.) Where do we draw a line?

The game today as compared to when Montana played barely compares, yet Joe still wins despite all Tom's accomplishments.
Brady has to continue to stack rings and stats to cross over this "the game is easier for qb's now".
I don't think it's even mathematically possible, but I'm not looking at numbers and Tom has a lot of years left in him.

He's got Aaron Rodgers right on his heels.
Aaron has a complete mastery of every single skill a QB needs, has quietly piled up a huge number of NFL records, and has lots of years to chase down Brady's numbers.

Brady is not the greatest QB of all-time. Not yet. He's not even in that running because his career isn't over and he's no eclipsed a number of old boys.
He IS at or near the pinnacle of a very short list of QB's from this generation.
Also a list where he hasn't "won" anything yet because his competition have not finished their careers.


If I had to pick an "all-time" from my lifetime, right now it'd be Montana, Elway, Brady, Farve, Manning. I'd probably even move Brady to #2.
I think that'll all get rewritten in the next 20 years.
It's a freakin awesome time to watch offense.

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If you were as old as I am, you could throw Johnny Unitas into that mix. ;)

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I don't remember him at all, Admiral. But he should be in any "all-time" conversation.
Right around #2, I understand.

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How about Bart Starr? 5 championships in a 7 year period should get him at least a top 10 nod. And his receivers were usually hungover. :)

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Starr doesn't even get talk anymore, Tim. He always has up till the last 10 or 15 years.
Maybe it's because 3 of those championships were outside the Super Bowl era.
I honestly don't know. It's ridiculous.

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Starr's receivers were usually hungover?? Johnny Unitas was usually drunk!! :D

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Bart Starr's problem is he isn't on Twitter and all over TMZ, he needs to get some people on that. :lv

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So wait, did he settle the sexual harassment suit in NY, amazing that he flopped at running a team and now in his twilight years he's back in the league and putting up 27/7. Very nice :D

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You're thinking of Isiah Thomas, not Isaish Thomas. How can you possibly confuse them? :r

When Dallas drafted Bob Hayes in 1964, the game of football began to change from a "horizontal" to a "vertical" contest. Thus comparing QBs like Johnny U and Bart Starr to later ones is tricky, as the skill sets differ.

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That, and the earlier ones were badass m***********s. ;)

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Not to disparage any of the great players..but it was a different game before unrestricted free agency that started in 1992.

Teams could be built and players had no movement, QB's might throw the ball 20 times a game?

Just look at the old steeler teams, great defense big back to ground and pound, and a couple great receivers same with the 49'ers and cowboys.

Today you have a salary cap, so teams have to do their homework building a team. The Pats got that covered :banger

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You mean when they go hit the NFL didn't scramble to change the rules, or when they should get driven into the ground by 3 guys long after the ball was released and no one cried and begged with the refs?

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Yeah, but the Pats woulda had that covered. ;)

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That's all Bill Belichick. He's got full autonomy and he has for years and years.
He's presided over Tom Brady's entire reign as QB, made the choice to jettison Bledsoe, "suffered" a 9-7 reason because of it, etc.

Don't think for a minute that Brady would have prospered so greatly were he not under Belichick.
Last year (maybe it was 2013?), for example.
The Pats sucked. Brady took tantrums and looked like an idiot through the first 4 weeks until Belichick pulled some receivers out of his ass.
Without stellar receivers, carefully practiced timing, and everything in a perfect vacuum, Brady collapsed.
Then he took tantrums, screamed at his teammates, and acted like he was a 13 year old girl.

That is what it is. Jay Cutler and Phillip Rivers have had their 13 year-old girl moments. So have many others.
Point being, he didn't general what he had into a winning position.
He took a fit.
A guy like Peyton Manning, who's been working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career has made due. Without tantrums.

All that is a BIG intangible.
Had Brady not had Belichick, he'd be Phillip Rivers. Guaranteed.
Bill Belichick is the brain behind Brady, always has been.
Were Belichick still in Cleveland, the Lombardi's would be stacked up in Berrea.

That only takes away from Brady in those "best ever" conversations.
He's going to see his place at the top of the record books, but his spot isn't going to last, not the way the NFL is headed.
It'll be Arena Football soon and Brady's numbers, and Montana's numbers, and everyone else's numbers will look like sh1t compared to some of the kids who haven't even come up through college yet.

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Mose, I think he does show up in pretty much every "top 10 all-time" list somewhere between 1 and 3. Any I've seen, anyways.
That's just happened since this last ring, though. That pushed him right up there. :tu

The NFL is doing a"vote by era" thing right now, I wish I could find the link for you. It's wicked cool.

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It's hard for me to fathom a best ever but in this year I wish I had Brady as my fantasy QB in the two leagues I am participating in but alas I do not. I do have Carson Palmer in one so happy with that but Russell Wilson in the other bleh

If I had been smarter I could have drafted Brady as he was on my plan but I started worrying the NFL drama might hurt him. Bleh, silly me

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Brady's had a bunch of nobodies as his receivers his entire career, with occasional exceptions of greatness such as Moss (for only three years), Gronk, Troy Brown, and Welker (who has only shined as a receiver with Brady as QB). He's made it work all the time with a revolving door of guys that were cut and signed off the wire and would probably be working at Planet Fitness if they had any other QB than Brady throwing to them.
Heck yeah, he's benefited from having the greatest coach ever; who wouldn't? But to have some of the guys he's had to throw to and still have the success he's had is NOT all on Belichek, not even close.

Your comment about Manning working in FAR less than perfect conditions his entire career is...well...puzzling. Manning benefited from playing most of his entire career in domes (Brady's stat's in domes are better than Mannings, BTW) and had consistent receivers, at least much more consistent than Brady, along with one of the greatest receiving RBs ever, Marshal Faulk. And as far as "tantrums", ANYONE can get frustrated and riled up. Remember, Manning gave us the wonderful Manning Face. :)

Here's a nice comparison between Brady and Manning. Here's a summary if you don't want to read the whole thing (it is long): Brady is Manning's statistical equal despite playing his entire career outdoors with inferior talent; Brady puts up more points and wins more consistently than any QB in history; Brady typically beats Manning head to head even with inferior teams; and Brady doesn't crap the bed every year in the playoffs.