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Tikihut27 07-28-2009 10:26 PM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MNSmoker (Post 483928)
I'll never receive my Tikihut Patch
Never say never. I made a mistake by not pushing this GB harder to completion. It was very difficult to handle, given the distance and SSG Robinson's job, but when I got home I pretty much linked up Dan and SSG Robinson and went about my business.

I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties.

There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not.

On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another.

icehog3 07-28-2009 10:35 PM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 484372)
Never say never. I made a mistake by not pushing this GB harder to completion. It was very difficult to handle, given the distance and SSG Robinson's job, but when I got home I pretty much linked up Dan and SSG Robinson and went about my business.

I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties.

There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not.

On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another.
You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:

DPD6030 07-28-2009 10:49 PM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484383)
You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:
:tpd:

alley00p 07-29-2009 12:46 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484383)
You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:
Quote:
Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 484399)
:tpd:
+1

I had a deal with Dan where it took months to get my "brown bag" from him, and after I had posted positive feedback, I found out that what he sold me gave him about a 300% profit! At that point, I decided no more deals with him.

What bothers me the most about Shawn and the others being ripped off on this deal, is that Dan and his "significant other" have just bought a new house. At the last monthly herf he attended here, he wanted everyone to herf at his new house instead of the place where we meet every month. At this point, I expect that Shawn's money went towards a nice new couch or something else for his new place.

The one thing I know for a fact is that I won't be herfing with him again - at his house or anywhere else! EVER!

I'm sorry that you and the others got ripped off, Shawn. I'm out on the TikiHut patch money, but I wrote that off a few months ago.


I don't feel much like dancin' - right now! :mad:

Don Fernando 07-29-2009 05:12 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply

Quote:
Mostly it's the johnny o group buy, it's in part my fault of not mailing everything out as soon as I received it, not receiving it when I was told I would, and not sending out updates every couple days to everyone involved. And with this one person thought they were paying for 125 cigars when they were paying for 50, so they were quite peeved over that as well, and I thought I had their sticks but didn't. I still don't have them all but will send what I have.

Then there's the patch group buy, only thing I could do is refund people's money, even though the patches have been made the SSG Robinson is out the money, and I've sent him two checks, which one he says he has, though has not cashed. He said he would mail the patches a little over a week or two ago, though I've not seen anything yet. Communications with him have been very difficult as he's in Afganistan, though I don't know why it's so hard when it wasn't with the last guy.

I have some trades that have taken a while as well, two specifically that are being counted against me even though I fulfilled my part, one was to a guy in canada who never received the sticks, so I sent a replacement with another person's box to him, he's never replied to if he's received it or not, another is to someone I told I'd send free stuff to and he never received them because I never sent yet.

Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down. Then with that I can't get on CA at work since they blocked it with both proxies and I don't have internet at home, and then in my free time I'm trying to update a house so I can move in it so that the other house I can't afford isn't taken from me before I can, I spend the rest of my time with my daughter.

So I guess with all this I was banned, I wasn't sent any notice or anything just found out from a few friends. I have no idea if it's a perm ban or temp. I still plan to send everything out I owe, and when those patches do finally come in, I'll need help finding addresses for everyone who's owed them.

I'm sorry for being a crappy friend and not speaking up about any of my issues, and know I have no valid reason for not taking care of stuff in a timely manner. I know it's easy to do and I should just do it, just my body won't. Hopefully I can get something to help even me out.

Please wish everyone the best and I hope you don't hate me for how I'm acting now.

Your friend,

Dan
Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

MajorCaptSilly 07-29-2009 05:19 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply



Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.
He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS

kaisersozei 07-29-2009 06:14 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply

Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.
:hm Interesting.

Thanks for sharing, Ferd....

Mr.Maduro 07-29-2009 06:17 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 484253)
I agree 100% Tom. I have also sent a PM to Dave and if he doesn't want guns at all at his herf then I will leave it at home, I have no problem with that and I respect his decision.

Sorry to offend you Patrick, not everyone is a responsible gun owner. I guess you won't be attending any shoot & herfs then. :(

You'd be surprised at how many vehicles on the roadway actually have a gun in them by law abiding citizens who have the right to carry and are responsible gun owners. And no I'm not started a debate here and don't want a debate. :2
You won't get any debate from me...I'm all for the right to bear arms... it was just the context in which you announced that you would be armed was a little threatening in general. I wasn't afraid myself....I'm from Brooklyn! :D

pnoon 07-29-2009 06:31 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply



Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.
No shots fired at you, Ferd. But Dan also claims not to have been able to access the Internet. How does he explain his recent activity on Facebook? I realize he's going thru some difficult times but his stories just don't add up.

Emjaysmash 07-29-2009 06:41 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 484515)
He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS
:tpd:

HE told me the packages getting were lost in the mail FOUR times... I wish I had known I was not the only one or I would have been less sympathetic and less lenient.

fissure 07-29-2009 06:50 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 484562)
No shots fired at you, Ferd. But Dan also claims not to have been able to access the Internet. How does he explain his recent activity on Facebook? I realize he's going thru some difficult times but his stories just don't add up.
I got a response to an email I sent him also, yesterday. He has access to the internet at work, just not this site. And no access at home. Told him that was a poor excuse. If you have business to take care of, go to starbucks, or a library. He called me on my way home from work and said he was packing up boxes at the moment, and had me pm Dabidog to get his address. So we shall see if stuff actually starts arriving. He told me 2/3 of the people in the GB had gotten their stuff already. If they have gotten it, post up.

GreekGodX 07-29-2009 06:56 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emjaysmash (Post 484569)
:tpd:

HE told me the packages getting were lost in the mail FOUR times... I wish I had known I was not the only one or I would have been less sympathetic and less lenient.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 484515)
He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS
If anyone was giving Dan a chance after these 2 post then they are nieve. I don't think we can believe a word Dan says. Actions speak louder then words. If packages start popping up then that is a different story. Until then anything he says is just a facade.

Buena Fortuna 07-29-2009 07:01 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fissure (Post 484576)
I got a response to an email I sent him also, yesterday. He has access to the internet at work, just not this site. And no access at home. Told him that was a poor excuse. If you have business to take care of, go to starbucks, or a library. He called me on my way home from work and said he was packing up boxes at the moment, and had me pm Dabidog to get his address. So we shall see if stuff actually starts arriving. He told me 2/3 of the people in the GB had gotten their stuff already. If they have gotten it, post up.
Every transaction I have had with Dan, and I have had many including the GB in question, has been completed with no issues whatsoever.

elderboy02 07-29-2009 07:07 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fissure (Post 484576)
I got a response to an email I sent him also, yesterday. He has access to the internet at work, just not this site. And no access at home. Told him that was a poor excuse. If you have business to take care of, go to starbucks, or a library. He called me on my way home from work and said he was packing up boxes at the moment, and had me pm Dabidog to get his address. So we shall see if stuff actually starts arriving. He told me 2/3 of the people in the GB had gotten their stuff already. If they have gotten it, post up.
Thanks for your hard work Steve.

The no access to the site excuse is absolutely terrible. I got a PM from him on 7/14 where he asked for my address.

I am so tired of his excuses.

poker 07-29-2009 07:16 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I call Shenanigans

That sad story is all full of holes.

kydsid 07-29-2009 08:00 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 484562)
No shots fired at you, Ferd. But Dan also claims not to have been able to access the Internet. How does he explain his recent activity on Facebook? I realize he's going thru some difficult times but his stories just don't add up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fissure (Post 484576)
I got a response to an email I sent him also, yesterday. He has access to the internet at work, just not this site. And no access at home.
Quote:
Originally Posted by poker (Post 484606)
I call Shenanigans

That sad story is all full of holes.


I agree I am a newb here and don't have anything invested in this but that message pegged my BS meter. To sit there and say that CA is blocked but you can get to Facebook? Lol ya right. Who would bother blocking CA but not one of the most popular websites in the world? Then to go on and say that they blocked the proxies, seriously does he even know what he is saying when he writes that? Don't believe it for a minute folks.

A picture speaks a 1000 words for how that message from Dan makes me feel.

To all those affected I feel for your loses both monetarily and in friendships.

ahc4353 07-29-2009 08:16 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I hope you get to see his math skills! :tu

gettysburgfreak 07-29-2009 08:48 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I have no idea who this Dan fellow is and I don't care to but all I can say is I hope for everyone's sake that this thing gets taken care of so we as a board can move forward. I truly feel bad for those involved, hopefully this asshole makes good.

fissure 07-29-2009 08:49 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Just got an email from the accused.

All packages that had not been sent out have been sent as of last night/this morning. Only ones he hasn't shipped out is 2 to canada and one to the UK. Take it for what its worth, just the messenger. Hopefully this is true and they will all arrive shortly:tu

SilverFox 07-29-2009 09:03 AM
Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fissure (Post 484728)
Just got an email from the accused.

All packages that had not been sent out have been sent as of last night/this morning. Only ones he hasn't shipped out is 2 to canada and one to the UK. Take it for what its worth, just the messenger. Hopefully this is true and they will all arrive shortly:tu
Seems I have heard this story before. No offense to fissure at all who has gone above and beyond in trying to sort this out for the many involved. My thanks for that

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 463493)
With what's left to send out for the cigar group buy I will need to pm elderboy for his address still.

DANIEL BALL JR
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 1777 2791
ADAM JAFFE
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7496 8149 8728
JAYMZ
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 3874 4319
FRANCIS CARDULLO
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 2825 8550
CLIFFORD BAGWELL
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7497 9680 1277
MICHAEL S. POWERS
Delivery Confirmation™ Label Number: 0103 8555 7498 0728 7038
SHAWN THOMPSON
Priority Mail International® Label Number: CJ194143480US


I will hand deliver the last two to Buena Fortuna who received his other cigars as these last two arrived much later.

I need to make a print label for dentonparrots, jbailey, and rhnewfie. I have one for lostark at home still, and confirm ScottW as I thought I had mailed his already but may not have.
Here for the thread

If cigars do show up I will be surprised. But even if they do, hardcz has already informed me it will not be as many as I ordered or what I ordered.

For purposes of fairness I had quite a few small transactions with hardcz prior to this and all where without incident. This does not make me feel better, it actually makes me feel worse as I feel I have been set up. I have no proof of that hence why it was not said in the original post but that is what my gut tells me.


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