Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1768095)

How long has DPMS/Bushmaster been affiliated? And why would DPMS be considered a inferior brand?

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768115)

I dont think any dealers here will have stock to sell at the shows :r

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768124)

Definitely not AR stock!!!! less menacing looking stuff should be available.

I honestly can't wait to see how many people are roaming the show flor with AR's for $2000+. I just want to see the entertainment :)

On a positive note, I just discovered that MidwayUSA has pmags available to backorder at normal prices. ETA Jan. 29th. .... I think I'm going to post the 5 pmags I have on gunbroker tonight for $300, and order 5 new ones from midway for $80. I can wait a month for a $200 profit (and I'm sure we won't see any hi cap bans before then, lol) :noon :noon

Heck, maybe I'll order a few extra and dump my US GI green follower mags I got as well :)

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768126)

Check out DSGarms when their site comes back up :r
They have Pmag 10-pks for $100 and you can backorder them. They're a great company.

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768131)

oh my... I think I just found the most beautiful AR I have ever seen... Work of Art doesn't even begin to describe it!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=322196026




Still down :r :r

My guess it they won't be back up till that deal gets taken down :)

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768135)

Nah DSG is legit. They're great people who don't screw gun owners

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1768095)

How long has DPMS/Bushmaster been affiliated? And why would DPMS be considered a inferior brand?

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768115)

I dont think any dealers here will have stock to sell at the shows :r

Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1768153)

We have a big gun show this weekend & next weekend I am going to see what's left but prices will be thru the roof. No p-mags for $13 :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by dijit (Post 1768259)

Rats our next big gun show wont be till Jan 18

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768229)

The shows that happen in my area never really have any deals, most things are priced higher than you can find them elsewhere

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768123)

2007, same parent company.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...acquires-dpms/

As for the why, as Justin said, they'll shoot just fine, and most folks won't have a single problem with em.

I personally am not well versed on the various AR brands and parts, and won't make something up and pretend I am. But a few folks that I personally believe to be knowledgeable in basic gunsmithing, and whose advice I sought and have chosen to pay attention to, all were less than enthusiastic about those particular brands. Certainly not saying you have to be, it's just my own personal choice to heed their advice!

But I also tend to purchase my guns like I purchase my tools, for the ultra long haul. And when I comes to tools, I prefer to buy Snap-On. Now that's not me saying that Craftsmen are shiet, I've never had either brand break on me, and I own stuff from both... I just think Snap-On are worth the couple extra bucks, for what I want.

Guess that makes me a sucker sometimes. Ain't we all ;)

Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1768151)

Jared, they have been sub standard for a long time DPMS/Bushasters/Olympic.
Yes they will go boom when you pull the trigger, but they are are from mil spec I can go into great detail on each and every component if you wish? :D

If i am buying a AR or building a pieces and parts rifle I it's worth it to spend a little more. To say the 3 brands above are equal would be like comparing a Dutch master to Cohiba. :r

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768301)

The last page of this article on the '94 ban really made me laugh. And it had some valid points.

.....As it turns out, firearms magazines are both typically very robust and reliable in design, and incredibly easy to mass manufacture. Once made, they last indefinitely.

Between the time Congress started signaling that they would create a magazine capacity restriction and the implementation of the law, factories worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week churning out millions of nothing but high-capacity magazines, which were stockpiled by manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, and retailers in massive warehouses.

As a result, “high capacity magazines” for most common firearms were freely available throughout the life of the ban.

....

The law had another unforeseen result. As companies looked to introduce new models of pistols, they determined that if they were going to be forced to make pistols limited to a magazine capacity of just 10 rounds, it would be advantageous for them to make these new pistols as small as possible for the concealed carry market. The Glock 26 and Kahr K9 were introduced the following year, and were among the first of a new breed of powerful, ultra-concealable handguns known as “subcompacts.” Similar designs from other companies quickly followed.

Objectively, based purely on the numbers, the assault weapons ban increased both the number of and public acceptance of semi-automatic, military-style rifles, and created a new class of powerful, concealable handguns.

Put another way, the assault weapons ban not only put more guns into the market, it encouraged the development of smaller, more powerful, semi-automatic firearms.


http://pjmedia.com/blog/assault-weapons-ban/3/


:r :r :r

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768271)

Off to a few more gun shops to see about getting a stripped lower ordered.

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768197)

I'm wondering if there's going to be people lined up at the door before it opens, waiting to rush in like black Friday shoppers to snag whatever mags might be on the table. :r

We've got about 2-3 big shows a month within a few hours of my area, which is nice... can always "try again" if I don't find what I'm looking for! Right now the only things on the radar I guess are an M1a or an AR10, though I don't have high hopes of finding either!

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768351)

I am finding that some shops won't even allow me to place an order with full acceptance that it may be months before I ever get it. Crazy that they're not even willing to take and hold onto my money now.

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768378)

Trying to load up on guns and ammo now is akin to waiting until the day it snows to show up at the tire store and try to get snow tires. Should have had all that stuff packed away by now.

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768393)

Yeah, I know. I just got particularly po'd seeing these clowns advocating and now putting a timeframe on a new ban to take place, so I decided to take action. You always hear it being discussed, but it's a guarantee that if he can't get it through congress, he'll just go the EO route. To go from what was regarded as a tearful speech the day of last week's shooting and then speaking of bans before the funerals is just another knee jerk reaction.

That said, I put my snow plow on my ZTR a month ago to ward off all snow for the winter. :r

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768401)

I had planned on this administration banning them in the first term, so there has been a bit of extra time. Homeowner plows were a way of life when I lived in AK

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)

The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)

The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768393)

Yeah, I know. I just got particularly po'd seeing these clowns advocating and now putting a timeframe on a new ban to take place, so I decided to take action. You always hear it being discussed, but it's a guarantee that if he can't get it through congress, he'll just go the EO route. To go from what was regarded as a tearful speech the day of last week's shooting and then speaking of bans before the funerals is just another knee jerk reaction.

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)

The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768412)

Permit for a 12 gauge :sh

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768419)

FID card; I live in Massachusetts. :sh

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768423)

Gotcha...according to some place that keeps track of the gun laws in this country, on a scale of 0-100...0 being the most gun friendly...Utah, Arizona and Alaska are 0...for law abiding citizens :tu

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1768424)

Hummm...I wonder if Mike would like a new neighbor?

At one time I thought about moving to Alaska but after my accident in the Keys I don't warm up as quickly as I used too.

I'm not sure where Florida lands on Mikes list, but I have heard us refered to as the Gunshine State.

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768418)

12 gauge pump shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon. Heavy hitting, easy to handle, ammo is plentiful. No home should be without one, in my book it's as essential as a fridge or water heater.

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768425)

I think Florida is pretty good Steve. I love Utah's gun laws, and still think that every law abiding, non mentally ill person who can legally and responsibly carry a gun (and actually use it if necessary) should always be armed. I think there are alot of people who carry that don't have the minsdet to actually use it, thinking that just showing someone that they are armed will do the trick, I am sure their headstone will read that.

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768418)

12 gauge pump shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon. Heavy hitting, easy to handle, ammo is plentiful. No home should be without one, in my book it's as essential as a fridge or water heater.

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768423)

Gotcha...according to some place that keeps track of the gun laws in this country, on a scale of 0-100...0 being the most gun friendly...Utah, Arizona and Alaska are 0...for law abiding citizens :tu

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768479)

Awesome-someone posted a petition for metal detectors to be installed at schools. Yeah, that would have stopped a kid shooting the glass out of the door for entry. That audible alarm would have turned him around in no time.

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768479)

Awesome-someone posted a petition for metal detectors to be installed at schools. Yeah, that would have stopped a kid shooting the glass out of the door for entry. That audible alarm would have turned him around in no time.

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768485)

There are a number of articles out there that basically demonstrate that with all the extra security we're simply criminalizing kids petty actions, making school less inviting, and encouraging them to make less productive choices and outcomes in their lives.

On the subject of getting your lower, honestly, I wouldn't sweat it yet. It's not like an AW ban will "sail through" unobstructed. It took em nearly 5 years of slogging and burning political capital to get the last one passed. So if if this one takes a year, prices will go down in march, people will forget, and you can buy what you want, before prices go back up again more permanently.

Originally Posted by dijit (Post 1768493)

That just would have brought more targets into the hallway. More adults probably so maybe fewer children would have been killed.