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spectrrr 12-20-2012 01:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1768095)
How long has DPMS/Bushmaster been affiliated? And why would DPMS be considered a inferior brand?

2007, same parent company.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...acquires-dpms/

As for the why, as Justin said, they'll shoot just fine, and most folks won't have a single problem with em.

I personally am not well versed on the various AR brands and parts, and won't make something up and pretend I am. But a few folks that I personally believe to be knowledgeable in basic gunsmithing, and whose advice I sought and have chosen to pay attention to, all were less than enthusiastic about those particular brands. Certainly not saying you have to be, it's just my own personal choice to heed their advice!

But I also tend to purchase my guns like I purchase my tools, for the ultra long haul. And when I comes to tools, I prefer to buy Snap-On. Now that's not me saying that Craftsmen are shiet, I've never had either brand break on me, and I own stuff from both... I just think Snap-On are worth the couple extra bucks, for what I want.

Guess that makes me a sucker sometimes. Aint we all ;)

spectrrr 12-20-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768115)
I dont think any dealers here will have stock to sell at the shows :r

Definitely not AR stock!!!! less menacing looking stuff should be available.

I honestly can't wait to see how many people are roaming the show flor with AR's for $2000+. I just want to see the entertainment, I'll be sure to report back here if i find a DPMS for over $2k :r

On a positive note, I just discovered that MidwayUSA has pmags available to backorder at normal prices. ETA Jan. 29th. .... I think I'm going to post the 5 pmags I have on gunbroker tonight for $300, and order 5 new ones from midway for $80. I can wait a month for a $200 profit (and I'm sure we won't see any hi cap bans before then, lol) :noon :noon

Heck, maybe I'll order a few extra and dump my US GI green follower mags I got as well :)

emopunker2004 12-20-2012 01:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768124)
Definitely not AR stock!!!! less menacing looking stuff should be available.

I honestly can't wait to see how many people are roaming the show flor with AR's for $2000+. I just want to see the entertainment :)

On a positive note, I just discovered that MidwayUSA has pmags available to backorder at normal prices. ETA Jan. 29th. .... I think I'm going to post the 5 pmags I have on gunbroker tonight for $300, and order 5 new ones from midway for $80. I can wait a month for a $200 profit (and I'm sure we won't see any hi cap bans before then, lol) :noon :noon

Heck, maybe I'll order a few extra and dump my US GI green follower mags I got as well :)

Check out DSGarms when their site comes back up :r
They have Pmag 10-pks for $100 and you can backorder them. They're a great company.

spectrrr 12-20-2012 02:52 AM

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oh my... I think I just found the most beautiful AR I have ever seen... Work of Art doesn't even begin to describe it!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=322196026


Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768126)
Check out DSGarms when their site comes back up :r
They have Pmag 10-pks for $100 and you can backorder them. They're a great company.

Still down :r :r

My guess it they won't be back up till that deal gets taken down :)

spectrrr 12-20-2012 03:00 AM

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I think it might be time to reconsider a Slide-Fire purchase.... no way in hell that wouldn't be listed on any kind of ban. Besides, that on a 22LR AR just looks fun as hell (and affordable to shoot!)

spectrrr 12-20-2012 03:19 AM

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DSGarms site is back up :noon

emopunker2004 12-20-2012 03:47 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768131)
oh my... I think I just found the most beautiful AR I have ever seen... Work of Art doesn't even begin to describe it!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=322196026




Still down :r :r

My guess it they won't be back up till that deal gets taken down :)

Nah DSG is legit. They're great people who don't screw gun owners

spectrrr 12-20-2012 03:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768135)
Nah DSG is legit. They're great people who don't screw gun owners

mm yeah, I was just sayin they were probably getting a crap ton of traffic from it, which was bringing the site down, not because they pulled the plug on the site to stop more orders.

I might just pick up 30 mags... If prices start going down, I can dump 20 of em. If a ban materializes, well... thats a nice profit! either way, WIN.

emopunker2004 12-20-2012 04:04 AM

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Yup

Digs 12-20-2012 05:07 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jluck (Post 1768095)
How long has DPMS/Bushmaster been affiliated? And why would DPMS be considered a inferior brand?

Jared, they have been sub standard for a long time DPMS/Bushasters/Olympic.
Yes they will go boom when you pull the trigger, but they are are from mil spec I can go into great detail on each and every component if you wish? :D

If i am buying a AR or building a pieces and parts rifle I it's worth it to spend a little more. To say the 3 brands above are equal would be like comparing a Dutch master to Cohiba. :r

Digs 12-20-2012 05:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1768115)
I dont think any dealers here will have stock to sell at the shows :r

We have a big gun show this weekend & next weekend I am going to see what's left but prices will be thru the roof. No p-mags for $13 :rolleyes:

spectrrr 12-20-2012 06:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1768153)
We have a big gun show this weekend & next weekend I am going to see what's left but prices will be thru the roof. No p-mags for $13 :rolleyes:

I'm wondering if there's going to be people lined up at the door before it opens, waiting to rush in like black Friday shoppers to snag whatever mags might be on the table. :r

We've got about 2-3 big shows a month within a few hours of my area, which is nice... can always "try again" if I don't find what I'm looking for! Right now the only things on the radar I guess are an M1a or an AR10, though I don't have high hopes of finding either!

PearlS4 12-20-2012 07:48 AM

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The shows that happen in my area never really have any deals, most things are priced higher than you can find them elsewhere

dijit 12-20-2012 08:19 AM

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Rats our next big gun show wont be till Jan 18

spectrrr 12-20-2012 08:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dijit (Post 1768259)
Rats our next big gun show wont be till Jan 18

Come East to Dayton this weekend. ;)
(I am pretty sure you can buy a gun from a dealer, but private party sales are a no-go to out of state folks)

Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768229)
The shows that happen in my area never really have any deals, most things are priced higher than you can find them elsewhere

I find it depends external things... the dealers usually don't have deals, UNLESS you know what you're looking for. "In the know" people can find things from time to time. Private party deals vary, there's lots of really good deals to be had on that front, depending on the time of year. Early december is a GREAT time usually for cheap private party deals, as people sell to finance the holidays. Or January, when the credit card bills start arriving!!!

jluck 12-20-2012 08:27 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768123)
2007, same parent company.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...acquires-dpms/

As for the why, as Justin said, they'll shoot just fine, and most folks won't have a single problem with em.

I personally am not well versed on the various AR brands and parts, and won't make something up and pretend I am. But a few folks that I personally believe to be knowledgeable in basic gunsmithing, and whose advice I sought and have chosen to pay attention to, all were less than enthusiastic about those particular brands. Certainly not saying you have to be, it's just my own personal choice to heed their advice!

But I also tend to purchase my guns like I purchase my tools, for the ultra long haul. And when I comes to tools, I prefer to buy Snap-On. Now that's not me saying that Craftsmen are shiet, I've never had either brand break on me, and I own stuff from both... I just think Snap-On are worth the couple extra bucks, for what I want.

Guess that makes me a sucker sometimes. Ain't we all ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digs (Post 1768151)
Jared, they have been sub standard for a long time DPMS/Bushasters/Olympic.
Yes they will go boom when you pull the trigger, but they are are from mil spec I can go into great detail on each and every component if you wish? :D

If i am buying a AR or building a pieces and parts rifle I it's worth it to spend a little more. To say the 3 brands above are equal would be like comparing a Dutch master to Cohiba. :r

OUCH.
When I did my research years ago DPMS got much better reviews than the other two mentioned company's, The DPMS was considered the best machine for the money back then. (I will have too see if I still have the article). Any how I love mine, it has never let me down with some hard use and abuse I guess this is one more time I will be happy with not having the cool kid brands.:)

forgop 12-20-2012 08:41 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Off to a few more gun shops to see about getting a stripped lower ordered.

spectrrr 12-20-2012 09:12 AM

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The last page of this article on the '94 ban really made me laugh. And it had some valid points.

.....As it turns out, firearms magazines are both typically very robust and reliable in design, and incredibly easy to mass manufacture. Once made, they last indefinitely.

Between the time Congress started signaling that they would create a magazine capacity restriction and the implementation of the law, factories worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week churning out millions of nothing but high-capacity magazines, which were stockpiled by manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, and retailers in massive warehouses.

As a result, “high capacity magazines” for most common firearms were freely available throughout the life of the ban.

....

The law had another unforeseen result. As companies looked to introduce new models of pistols, they determined that if they were going to be forced to make pistols limited to a magazine capacity of just 10 rounds, it would be advantageous for them to make these new pistols as small as possible for the concealed carry market. The Glock 26 and Kahr K9 were introduced the following year, and were among the first of a new breed of powerful, ultra-concealable handguns known as “subcompacts.” Similar designs from other companies quickly followed.

Objectively, based purely on the numbers, the assault weapons ban increased both the number of and public acceptance of semi-automatic, military-style rifles, and created a new class of powerful, concealable handguns.

Put another way, the assault weapons ban not only put more guns into the market, it encouraged the development of smaller, more powerful, semi-automatic firearms.


http://pjmedia.com/blog/assault-weapons-ban/3/


:r :r :r

Steve 12-20-2012 09:34 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768301)
The last page of this article on the '94 ban really made me laugh. And it had some valid points.

.....As it turns out, firearms magazines are both typically very robust and reliable in design, and incredibly easy to mass manufacture. Once made, they last indefinitely.

Between the time Congress started signaling that they would create a magazine capacity restriction and the implementation of the law, factories worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week churning out millions of nothing but high-capacity magazines, which were stockpiled by manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, and retailers in massive warehouses.

As a result, “high capacity magazines” for most common firearms were freely available throughout the life of the ban.

....

The law had another unforeseen result. As companies looked to introduce new models of pistols, they determined that if they were going to be forced to make pistols limited to a magazine capacity of just 10 rounds, it would be advantageous for them to make these new pistols as small as possible for the concealed carry market. The Glock 26 and Kahr K9 were introduced the following year, and were among the first of a new breed of powerful, ultra-concealable handguns known as “subcompacts.” Similar designs from other companies quickly followed.

Objectively, based purely on the numbers, the assault weapons ban increased both the number of and public acceptance of semi-automatic, military-style rifles, and created a new class of powerful, concealable handguns.

Put another way, the assault weapons ban not only put more guns into the market, it encouraged the development of smaller, more powerful, semi-automatic firearms.


http://pjmedia.com/blog/assault-weapons-ban/3/


:r :r :r

Anyone remember (or has at least read about) the 18th Amendment? From what I understand, it didn't really limit alchohol, just made a bunch of law abiding citizens criminals.

When we ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.:fp

Digs 12-20-2012 09:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768271)
Off to a few more gun shops to see about getting a stripped lower ordered.


They have become the Holy Grail, along with bolt carrier groups! I need one for my Colt; I had a .22 conversion in it for while now I don’t know were my M16 carrier is! :sh

Brian D. 12-20-2012 10:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768197)
I'm wondering if there's going to be people lined up at the door before it opens, waiting to rush in like black Friday shoppers to snag whatever mags might be on the table. :r

We've got about 2-3 big shows a month within a few hours of my area, which is nice... can always "try again" if I don't find what I'm looking for! Right now the only things on the radar I guess are an M1a or an AR10, though I don't have high hopes of finding either!

I saw pictures of the LONG line of folks outside Sharonville Convention center from last Saturday waiting to get in. Went by there on Sunday (didn't bother attending) and it was crowding up again by 10 am. No doubt the same will be true at beautiful Hara Arena this coming weekend.

Personally I'd rather avoid such nonsense. The Treasure Aisles/Patriot Gun Show held near Monroe on Saturdays is a better choice in my book, as is Schomy's Swap Meet in Middletown. But then, I'm not looking to add anything much to what I've already got.

forgop 12-20-2012 10:15 AM

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I am finding that some shops won't even allow me to place an order with full acceptance that it may be months before I ever get it. Crazy that they're not even willing to take and hold onto my money now.

Digs 12-20-2012 10:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768351)
I am finding that some shops won't even allow me to place an order with full acceptance that it may be months before I ever get it. Crazy that they're not even willing to take and hold onto my money now.

I thinks it's more likely they don't know were the market price will be!
Most would be secretly steemed if they sold you a receiver for a $100 and at that moment they were able to get $300 or good knows how much.

PearlS4 12-20-2012 10:51 AM

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Trying to load up on guns and ammo now is akin to waiting until the day it snows to show up at the tire store and try to get snow tires. Should have had all that stuff packed away by now. Shortly after the original AWB expired I loaded up on all the stuff I could, and the stuff that was unobtainium during the ban. It was going to only be a matter of time before they outlawed it all again.

Remo 12-20-2012 10:59 AM

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Reminds me a little of 08' when we got a new prez. I grabbed 5 NIB Colt 6920's...before the prices went through the roof!!

forgop 12-20-2012 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768378)
Trying to load up on guns and ammo now is akin to waiting until the day it snows to show up at the tire store and try to get snow tires. Should have had all that stuff packed away by now.

Yeah, I know. I just got particularly po'd seeing these clowns advocating and now putting a timeframe on a new ban to take place, so I decided to take action. You always hear it being discussed, but it's a guarantee that if he can't get it through congress, he'll just go the EO route. To go from what was regarded as a tearful speech the day of last week's shooting and then speaking of bans before the funerals is just another knee jerk reaction.

That said, I put my snow plow on my ZTR a month ago to ward off all snow for the winter. :r

PearlS4 12-20-2012 11:18 AM

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I had planned on this administration banning them in the first term, so there has been a bit of extra time. Homeowner plows were a way of life when I lived in AK

pnoon 12-20-2012 11:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768393)
Yeah, I know. I just got particularly po'd seeing these clowns advocating and now putting a timeframe on a new ban to take place, so I decided to take action. You always hear it being discussed, but it's a guarantee that if he can't get it through congress, he'll just go the EO route. To go from what was regarded as a tearful speech the day of last week's shooting and then speaking of bans before the funerals is just another knee jerk reaction.

That said, I put my snow plow on my ZTR a month ago to ward off all snow for the winter. :r

I realize the sensitivity of the subject matter but let's try and keep the politics out of it.

First and last time I'll post this here.

forgop 12-20-2012 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768401)
I had planned on this administration banning them in the first term, so there has been a bit of extra time. Homeowner plows were a way of life when I lived in AK

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Subvet642 12-20-2012 11:35 AM

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The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

forgop 12-20-2012 11:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)
The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

You need a permit for that?

Remo 12-20-2012 11:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)
The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

Permit for a 12 gauge :sh

Steve 12-20-2012 11:45 AM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768393)
Yeah, I know. I just got particularly po'd seeing these clowns advocating and now putting a timeframe on a new ban to take place, so I decided to take action. You always hear it being discussed, but it's a guarantee that if he can't get it through congress, he'll just go the EO route. To go from what was regarded as a tearful speech the day of last week's shooting and then speaking of bans before the funerals is just another knee jerk reaction.

I am not a Constitutional Law expert, but I'm not sure he can actually EO this. However, I'm sure there are other ways of getting it pushed thru.

PearlS4 12-20-2012 11:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768410)
The wife is bringing permit applications home tonight. We're thinking about a 12 gauge pump for home defense.

12 gauge pump shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon. Heavy hitting, easy to handle, ammo is plentiful. No home should be without one, in my book it's as essential as a fridge or water heater.

Subvet642 12-20-2012 11:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768412)
Permit for a 12 gauge :sh

FID card; I live in Massachusetts. :sh

Remo 12-20-2012 12:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Subvet642 (Post 1768419)
FID card; I live in Massachusetts. :sh

Gotcha...according to some place that keeps track of the gun laws in this country, on a scale of 0-100...0 being the most gun friendly...Utah, Arizona and Alaska are 0...for law abiding citizens :tu

Steve 12-20-2012 12:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768423)
Gotcha...according to some place that keeps track of the gun laws in this country, on a scale of 0-100...0 being the most gun friendly...Utah, Arizona and Alaska are 0...for law abiding citizens :tu

Hummm...I wonder if Mike would like a new neighbor?

At one time I thought about moving to Alaska but after my accident in the Keys I don't warm up as quickly as I used too.

I'm not sure where Florida lands on Mikes list, but I have heard us refered to as the Gunshine State.

Remo 12-20-2012 12:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1768424)
Hummm...I wonder if Mike would like a new neighbor?

At one time I thought about moving to Alaska but after my accident in the Keys I don't warm up as quickly as I used too.

I'm not sure where Florida lands on Mikes list, but I have heard us refered to as the Gunshine State.

I think Florida is pretty good Steve. I love Utah's gun laws, and still think that every law abiding, non mentally ill person who can legally and responsibly carry a gun (and actually use it if necessary) should always be armed. I think there are alot of people who carry that don't have the minsdet to actually use it, thinking that just showing someone that they are armed will do the trick, I am sure their headstone will read that.

Subvet642 12-20-2012 12:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768418)
12 gauge pump shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon. Heavy hitting, easy to handle, ammo is plentiful. No home should be without one, in my book it's as essential as a fridge or water heater.

When I was still in the Navy, we used them for shipboard defense below decks. You don't want to put a 7.62 or a .45 round through a high pressure oxygen or hydraulic line.

Steve 12-20-2012 12:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768425)
I think Florida is pretty good Steve. I love Utah's gun laws, and still think that every law abiding, non mentally ill person who can legally and responsibly carry a gun (and actually use it if necessary) should always be armed. I think there are alot of people who carry that don't have the minsdet to actually use it, thinking that just showing someone that they are armed will do the trick, I am sure their headstone will read that.

Agreed. Several times the issue of open carry has come up here, but I don't think it will ever pass though. There is a stipulation that you can openly carry on your way fishing or hunting.

Thank goodness for the Ronco Pocket Fisherman :)

http://www.mikeysoft.com/all_stuff_g...3/mvc-224s.jpg

We also have pretty good concealled carry laws and the right to protect yourself, unless this mess with GZ blow that all up. Unfortunatly, Florida has hordes of uneducated people that think Stand Your Ground means someone can hunt someone else down :bh

Remo 12-20-2012 12:59 PM

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We are a big open carry state, we have a few open carry guys who like to try and push the cops into a confrontation so they can get a lawsuit. :sh

Easy enough to get a CCW also.

CigarSquid 12-20-2012 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlS4 (Post 1768418)
12 gauge pump shotgun is a perfect home defense weapon. Heavy hitting, easy to handle, ammo is plentiful. No home should be without one, in my book it's as essential as a fridge or water heater.

Was having that same talk with my dad last night.. It is on the list come the new year.

SeanGAR 12-20-2012 01:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1768423)
Gotcha...according to some place that keeps track of the gun laws in this country, on a scale of 0-100...0 being the most gun friendly...Utah, Arizona and Alaska are 0...for law abiding citizens :tu

How could they be more gun friendly than Virginia?

OC no permit needed, CC 'shall issue', but the problem here is the 'gun free' zones like universities.

Here at VT if we have another Cho, I get to point a laser pointer at the shooter, not my Glock. I might buy a mW laser just to have something worth pointing.

A guy in town here decided to bang on the window of his ex-wife's house .. the ex-wife he attacked with a knife 6 years earlier.

This time, new boyfriend had a gun and shot the prick three times. Prick survived and charged with home invasion, shooter no charges.

forgop 12-20-2012 01:51 PM

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Awesome-someone posted a petition for metal detectors to be installed at schools. Yeah, that would have stopped a kid shooting the glass out of the door for entry. That audible alarm would have turned him around in no time.

spectrrr 12-20-2012 02:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768479)
Awesome-someone posted a petition for metal detectors to be installed at schools. Yeah, that would have stopped a kid shooting the glass out of the door for entry. That audible alarm would have turned him around in no time.

There are a number of articles out there that basically demonstrate that with all the extra security we're simply criminalizing kids petty actions, making school less inviting, and encouraging them to make less productive choices and outcomes in their lives.

On the subject of getting your lower, honestly, I wouldn't sweat it yet. It's not like an AW ban will "sail through" unobstructed. It took em nearly 5 years of slogging and burning political capital to get the last one passed. So if if this one takes a year, prices will go down in march, people will forget, and you can buy what you want, before prices go back up again more permanently.

dijit 12-20-2012 02:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1768479)
Awesome-someone posted a petition for metal detectors to be installed at schools. Yeah, that would have stopped a kid shooting the glass out of the door for entry. That audible alarm would have turned him around in no time.

That just would have brought more targets into the hallway. More adults probably so maybe fewer children would have been killed.

forgop 12-20-2012 02:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spectrrr (Post 1768485)
There are a number of articles out there that basically demonstrate that with all the extra security we're simply criminalizing kids petty actions, making school less inviting, and encouraging them to make less productive choices and outcomes in their lives.

On the subject of getting your lower, honestly, I wouldn't sweat it yet. It's not like an AW ban will "sail through" unobstructed. It took em nearly 5 years of slogging and burning political capital to get the last one passed. So if if this one takes a year, prices will go down in march, people will forget, and you can buy what you want, before prices go back up again more permanently.

I have 4 different lowers all from different manufacturers on backorder right now. No local retailer would allow me to backorder, so I bought online with those that would allow me to backorder and will just wait it out. I'm not getting into these bidding wars of paying 3x what they were going for 2 weeks ago. I've gone 38 years without owning an AR-15, so I don't have the desire to pay 2-3x the price overnight. One site said backorder is 8-12 weeks and the order I placed for 30 round mags was about 6 weeks.

forgop 12-20-2012 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dijit (Post 1768493)
That just would have brought more targets into the hallway. More adults probably so maybe fewer children would have been killed.

I'm not an NRA member and have never held a carry permit. But it's painfully obvious to see that more people die when someone is able to open fire in a crowd of unarmed people waiting for the police to respond to all of the 911 calls.

Blueface 12-20-2012 04:22 PM

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Got one of the last on Tuesday.
Armalite AR10 on the way.
Figure with that, I can pop them long before they hit the range for my AR15.
Should be in my hands soon.
Now for the difficult task of finding ammo and extra 20+ mags.

Blueface 12-20-2012 04:26 PM

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For those not familiar with the AR10 format.
The smaller of these two is the AR15 round (.223/5.56).
The other is the AR10 .308 Winchester NATO.
Will definitely leave a mark.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...2B39E53510.jpg


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