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Do you mean to say that Jacob would want to take over (or inhabit, or whatever) Sayid's body so that he may gain Sayid's military training for his own use? I would think that someone like Jacob would already have all that and more.

If "claimed" (I need to figure out what Dogen said in Japanese) meant that Jacob was taking over Sayid's body, then two questions: 1) Why does Dogen say that a "darkness" is growing within Sayid? Jacob is supposed to be their savior/protector ("ille qui nos omnes servabit"). 2) Why did Dogen say that the same thing happened to Claire (unless Jack has another sister)? Jacob's only been dead for a few hours--a day at the most--and Jacob's nemesis is on the other side of the island hauling Richard through the jungle. If Claire had been "possessed" by either of these two entities, how did Dogen find out so quickly? Claire had 3 years or so on the island in which she could have been "claimed" and the Others learn of it. I don't think that Sayid is being set up to be Jacob's new body.

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Hmm, I might have to go back and re-watch the last few episodes of last season. The more I think about it now, the more I'm remembering little glimpses that seemed to say that Ben knew exactly where they were going without Richard telling him. If this is true, then there's a lot more here going on than meets the eye. Then again, when is this not true?

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Ben was all too "shocked" during the last few episodes of last season about all that was transpiring. I found that very weird, Ben is ALWAYS in control.. especially when we think he's not. Ben has basically disappeared these first two episodes of the season, and I get the feeling the writers want it that way. I think they have something big planned for Ben this season. What that is? Hell if I know :D

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Pretty clear by the level of detail in this thread I need to go back and review a few episodes to get back up to speed on this show. Great analysis here!

Since I'm not quite up to speed I'm going to stick with "Oh Kate, let me count the ways I love thee." Except for the murdering psycho female part.

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I've been pondering this for a little while now. I think that the Others are split into two groups: Those in the Temple, and those outside the Temple. The Temple is a stronghold--Ben called it the last safe place on the island--it's a beacon, it's stationary. Dogen is the one (currently) charged with protecting the Temple. Dogen definitely holds sway over the Others who are within the Temple. Outside, we've seen many people proclaimed the leader of the Others (Ellie and Charles, Ben, the real Locke for a time). Is their command absolute? I don't think so. There might be interesting power struggles if one of them came to the Temple. As for Richard, he's always been an adviser and leader of the Others, but I don't think he has desires to lead the Others in any grand or overly-direct way. He's the Others' direct line to Jacob; think of him as a shaman or a mystic. He has great respect and great pull amongst the Others, but he only uses then when necessary.


Some of the other notes about the Others' manipulation of people and talk of free will and destiny is really giving me a lot to think about :)

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Interesting thing that was highlighted in a recap article I read yesterday was kate's name at the hospital, Joan Hart. The article I read suggested it was a reference to Melissa Joan Hart. There was no further explanation in the article, but some around my age may recall that Melissa Joan Hart starred in "Clarissa Explains it All". Clarissa = Claire?

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Agreed: Ben was uncharacteristically out of control at the end of the last season. Then again, can we blame him? "Dead is dead," and yet there he is, standing right there after Ben choked the life out of him with his own two hands. Even Richard didn't know what to make of the situation. That would be enough to shake anybody, I'd say. Also it seems apparent that Ben had never seen an apparition of a dead person on the island, unlike the Losties who see Christian Shephard et. al. from time to time. So when the smoke monster showed Ben his dead daughter and that vision told Ben to follow Locke, I wouldn't really blame Ben's pants for being a little brown, nor would I be surprised at how much of a loss Ben finds himself.

I did like what I saw in Ben's eyes last episode (LAX, part 2) after the smoke monster killed Brahm et. al. Ben finally had enough pieces to start putting enough of it together to make a plan. We definitely haven't seen the last of this manipulator. :pi

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The "murdering psycho" part caught my mind last night as I was trying to drift off to sleep. In the flash "sideways" scenes, in this parallel universe or time line or whatever it is, things are different. Things are the same, but there are little differences. The differences started when the stewardess handed Jack one bottle of booze, not two. I think we saw the gravity of the situation when Hurley said that he was the luckiest man in the world and that nothing bad ever happened to him. Double you, tea, eff, my friend.

We get to this episode, and Claire asks Kate what she did to be hunted by the authorities. Kate asks Claire if Claire would believe her if she said she was innocent. Kate never tells Claire what happened, but I have to wonder if it's the same as it was in the original storyline; is "What Kate Does" different from "What Kate Did?" (Sorry, I just had to play on the episode titles like that :)). I'd like to think that it is.

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Just watched the last episode again. I have nothing to base this on but I think Aaron is going to be a key figure when this thing wraps up.

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I think Aaron's significance lies more in how he ties Claire (and Jack) to Kate.

I'm still waiting to see why Mr. Friendly called Walt "special." Walt >> Aaron in my book. :pi

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I'm... Lost!!!:confused:

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:r So much for explaining everything this season.

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LOST season 6, ep #3 "The Substitue"


1) Richard: Previously calm, his fear shows that some serious stuff if going down. He also seemed confused by almost everything Flocke was telling him, most importantly the whole concept of ''candidates.'' Flocke: ''Jaocb didn't tell you? He never said why? I never would have done that to you! I never would have kept you in the dark! I would have treated you with respect!'' Interesting...

2) Smokey: A theory! Were there two smoke monsters at the beginning of tonight's episode? People have been theorizing for a while that there are 2 smoke monsters, but I never bought into it that much. This week we saw a smokey point of view, zooming through the jungle to Otherville to the reflection in the window outside of Sawyer's house ....
Then we saw more smoke monster perspective zooming through the jungle to the machete, which Flocke picks up ...
Then a little later, Flocke shows up at Sawyer's. Wouldn't he have manifested as Flocke upon his first run through the jungle when he stopped outside of Sawyer's place, and not later? I mean, why go to the house, go back to the jungle for the knife, then return to the house? That is, unless the first smoke monster was NOT Flocke but Jacob (who then manifested as the boy)!
**Perhaps there have been TWO smoke monsters since the series premiere. Watch the first night on the beach scene again....The first monster is coming toward them on the beach, knocking down trees. Another loud sound is made to the right, and the people in the scene turn 120 degrees to the right to see what it was. Then they hear a sound again to the left, turn back 120 degrees to the left, and the monster is now retreating. The black smoke monster coming after the corpses was run off by the white smoke monster.
***In Episode 4 of the first season, Locke looks up at a monster, but we are never shown it. He later comments, "I have looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful." It was the white smoke monster of life, contrasted with the black smoke monster of death.
***The Black smoke monster can only assume the form of the dead. The white smoke monster can assume the form of the living. This explains why in Season One, a form of John Locke appears so many times so abruptly, but with no sound, surprising those nearby. It was the white smoke monster at that time. You may notice in those surprise moments, it is the confident, wise Locke offering counsel and advice to those in need.

3) Boy in jungle - Richard couldn't see him but Sawyer could? Was it a young Jacob? Only those whom Jacob touched can see him??? Flocke seemed disturbed by the fact that Sawyer could see the boy. The first time we see the boy his hands are bloody, the second time there is no blood on his hands.

4) For the third straight episode, the episode's lead character was given a conspicuous moment with a bathroom mirror.

5) Flash sideways:

* Surprised by Locke's glee in the sprinkler? That scene was similar to the first season, Locke sitting on the beach smiling peacefully as the rain came down on his face.
* Flocke's alarm clock sounded a lot like the "button" sequence alarm in the hatch.
* Flocke's flash-sideways self is more confident, has a sense of self, not afraid, not a loser, loved... so I'm guessing Sideways Anthony Cooper had nothing to do with crippling his son.
* Fun thought: We know from season 1 that Boone Carlyle's mother, Sabrina Carlyle, owned a massively successful wedding business, and that Boone served as the company's chief operating officer. Maybe the Carlyle family biz will play a role in solving Helen's catering crisis.
*
It was interesting the way he described the walkabout in the episode LA X. He called it ''an adventure'' about ''man versus nature.'' By contrast, when Island Locke described the Walkabout in the classic season 1 episode of the same name, he called it ''a journey of spiritual renewal, where one derives strength from the earth and becomes inseparable from it.'' Island Locke wanted to be feel connected to the world, to something bigger than himself; Sideways Locke wanted to feel his own strength, to feel whole again - to feel like a man. Sideways Locke isn't as spiritual as Island Locke.
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The pictures in Locke's cubicle (see attached photo): There was a photo of Locke (with hair) with his father, Anthony Cooper; they looked to be hunting, as we saw them in a past episode. There was also a photo of Locke with Helen in a tropical setting, presumably Hawaii. The curious thing about both photos: Locke appeared to be standing. When and how did Locke become dependent on a wheelchair? Island Locke got thrown out of that eighth-floor window by his dad (Anthony Cooper) leaving him paralyzed. Sideways Locke's accident must have been a trauma that he experienced after meeting Helen.
*
Randy called Locke ''colonel.'' Remember that Island Locke played a military strategy board game Axis and Allies during his lunch break with a friend/colleague (not seen last night) and liked to be called ''colonel.''
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Locke was fired and left with his box of belongings. Inside the box was a polar bear figurine.
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Locke and Jack always butted heads via man of faith vs. man of science. It appears that now in the flash sideways Locke is a man of science. Literally. He accepted a job as substitute teacher. Subject: Biology. First lesson: the human reproductive system. It also looked like he was either teaching physical education or coaching basketball. There were some deeply embedded ironies here. Remember the season 4 episode ''Cabin Fever,'' in which Teenage Locke was encouraged by a teacher to cultivate his natural talent for science by attending a summer camp run by Mittelos Biosciences, the Others' company that recruited Juliet Burke to The Island. But Locke didn't want to hear that. He wanted to drive fast cars and play sports. When he was told his dreams were unrealistic, Young Locke bellowed, ''Don't tell me what I can't do!'' In the Sideways world, Locke is teaching science, teaching sports, and looking very much like a man who just found his niche. Of course, there's still ample time for his born again life to go horribly wrong. After all, he's now working with Benjamin Linus..
*
The woman interviewing Locke at the temp agency looked familiar. She was the "psychic" that Hurley's dad paid to tell Hurley he was no longer cursed. According to ABC press release, both appearances constitute the same character.

6) Was that a spider or a crab on Locke's dead body? Spider - like the Nikki/ Paolo paralyzing spider???

7) Revelations regarding Flocke: He is old. He told Sawyer that he was a reader - but that Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men, published in 1937, was after his time. He used to be a man.

8) The cave:

* Jacob's end game is to get a replacement island protector. Flocke's end game is to get off the island, to go home. He's recruiting people to assist him. It appears he had to eliminate Jacob as a necessary step.
* When Sawyer asked why the Island would need protection, Locke snapped: ''From nothing, James. That's the joke. There's nothing to protect it from. It's just a damn island!'' yeah right! The island boasts: (1) The Temple's magic healing spring. (2) Frozen donkey wheel time travel magic. (3) Smokey. Bottom line: The Island is totally special.
* The Fake Locke/Sawyer story line - in which the Monster led Sawyer to a remote cave which he promised would contain answers echoed previous episodes. I'll cite just two in particular. (1) ''The Brig,'' in which the real John Locke led Sawyer across the Island to the Black Rock for a bloody date with Anthony Cooper; and (2) ''Every Man For Himself,'' in which Ben snowed Sawyer into thinking he'd implanted a killer pacemaker in his chest, then hiked him up a hill to reveal he was no longer stuck on the Island, but actually trapped on another.
* I thought Jack was never on any list?? Remember when Ben brought Jack to the small island to perform his spinal surgery...someone confronted Ben about the fact that Jack wasn't on the list....so why is his name written in the cave?
* Do you think Alex might have been a candidate, which would be why it was "breaking the rules" for Keamey to kill her? No killing candidates?
* Is Sawyer conning Flocke???

9) Cave names: See the attachment for an example of how the smart people on the internet created this list.
Kate is noticeably absent from not just the numbers, but the wall. Names on the wall go back to at least the 1950's as evidenced by Cunningham and Jones, two soldiers on the island in 1954

Some crossed out names:
4 - Locke (John)
8 - Reyes (Hurley)
10 - Mattingley - Other
15 - Ford (James)
16 - Jarrah (Sayid)
23 - Shephard (Jack)... Psalm 23: The Lord is my shepherd
31 - Rutherford (Shannon)
42 - Kwon (Jin or Sun)
56 - Burke - (Juliet)
64 - Goodspeed (Ethan, Horace, Olivia, or Amy)
70 - Faraday (Daniel)
73 - Costa - ?
90 - Troupe - ?
115 - Bargas - ?
117 - Linus (Ben, Roger)
119 - Almeida - Maybe Paulo's last name?
142 - Lewis (Charlotte)
171 - Straume (Miles)
195 - Pace (Charlie)
222 - O'Toole - U.S. Military
233 - Jones - U.S. Military
291 - Domingo - U.S. Military
313 - Littleton (Claire or Aaron)
317 - Cunningham - U.S. Military
337 - Martin (Karl) - Other
346 - Grant - U.S. Military

Partial writings:
20 - Rous (Possibly Rousseau)
25 - ___
30 - ___
33 - Martin?
49 - Cha (Possibly Chang)
62 - ___
251 - ___
260 - ___
272 - ___
285 - Jen (Possibly Jenkins)
__ - Reynolds
__ - Sullivan (the guy from season 1 who had a rash)
__ - Lacombe (from the French science team)
175 - Costa

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#42, only said Kwon. Flocke said he didn't know if it was Jin or Sun...... maybe it's neither. Jin and Sun's daughter, Ji Yeon, is one of a few children conceived on the island to live. Maybe she is #42... After all, Jacob touched both Jin and Sun at their wedding because at that point in time, Ji Yeon was in both of them. :O

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Maybe Shepard refers to Christian...? What do you think?

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When was the list created? Is it possible Jack made the list after his arrival and proved himself to be a worthy candidate is is that just not the way things work around there?

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Unlikely. The show was uncharacteristically heavy-handed in showing us that the names corresponded to persons whom Jacob had personally visited and touched (specifically, the scenes from The Incident episode). Jacob was never shown to have touched Christian Shephard.

Oh numbers, you just love to prey upon us :D

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This is true, but Kate was not on the list and Jacob came to her. We'll see what happens with that...

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Good stuff guys. :tu

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My head hurts....

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Get a life guys:D

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Yes. The show showed us that Jacob touched people who were on the list. Kate shows us that the reverse implication is not true (i.e. Jacob only touches/influences those whose names are on the list).

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I've been checkin the thread all day for the notes! :-)

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Great episode this week! Among the things I noticed:

Jack doesn't have the tattooes he picked up in Thailand;
There were an awful lot of names around that compass device, including (I think) Kate's (#51).

Here's an interesting site I found:

http://www.olivierlacan.com/projects/lostintime/

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and I thought the guys at work had it bad...

:tf

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I have the Notes..but no interzweb at work right now..so be patient.
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LOST season 6, episode #4 "Lighthouse"

1) This episode was the 108th hour of LOST.

2) Jack's flash-sideways:
"Mom, when did I have my appendix taken out?" Jack asks. And Mom answers, "Why, day 99 of course. You passed out after realizing that Faraday and Charlotte were lying about wanting to rescue you and your friends and..." No just kidding, that didn't happen. Margo Shephard tells Jack that it was removed when he was a kid.... But we know that it happened a different way on the island. Jack noticing his appendectomy scar hints that his subconscious in some way remembers or is aware of the other reality. When Jughead exploded in 1977, off-island Jack would have been around 8-9 years old (when his mother claims he had the surgery) ... maybe when Jughead went off that's when the flash-sideways reality started...
''Something Nice Back Home'' was the episode about Jack's ruptured appendix. Jack's then-love interest, Juliet, performed the surgery, and if you recall, Jack initially wanted to perform the surgery on himself, and even when Juliet talked him out of it, he still tried to coach her through the process by... watching her in a mirror. So many mirrors!
Jack's son David. This name has been used for other LOST characters - Hurley's dad, Libby's deceased husband.
David's mother, who wasn't revealed in the episode, could be Sarah, island-Jack's ex-wife. For one thing, we know that she also plays the piano. But what if it's Juliet? And why wasn't she home the night David had his audition... maybe she was going dutch on coffee with Sawyer?!?!
Jack lets himself into his (ex?) wife's house by using the key under the rabbit statue - an obvious reference to the White Rabbit of Alice in Wonderland, a frequent subject of Jack episodes. Jack even tells his son that he used to the read the story to him when he was a kid, just as he did in the island time line with young Aaron, after they left the island.
Dogen in the flash-sideways... "They are too young to have this kind of pressure," he says, referring to their kids. And then, "It's hard to watch and be unable to help." Free will theme, yet again!
At the piano auditions Jack found the right room by following a sign directing ''the candidates'' to the auditorium
The piece David was playing: ''Fantasia Impromptu in C-sharp minor'' by Chopin. Last season on LOST, another child prodigy played the same number for us... Daniel Faraday in ''The Variable.''
We're seeing a very distinct pattern in the flash-sideways time lines... the circle can be broken. People can change. Mistakes don't need to be repeated, over and over again. Some examples so far:

* Kate is a fugitive on the run, only looking out for herself. She glances into a garage mirror and... BANG! Kate heads back to bring pregnant Claire her stuff, help her through false labor, and befriend her during a major crisis... all at great risk to her personal safety. * John Locke .... still struggling with his handicap he calls Jack's phone number, looks into a mirror and... BANG! Locke suddenly hangs up the phone and embraces his condition, along with Helen's love. * Jack Shephard is a workaholic surgeon neglecting a son he only sees once a month. He looks in the mirror and... well, you get the picture.
This is some exciting news, actually. It may be proof that Jacob is right. People don't always have to fight, corrupt, and destroy. By stopping to take a good look at what they've become, people can actually reverse bad behavior and start making positive changes to their lives. Maybe broken people can be fixed after all.
3) Flash-sideways in season 6:

In an interview from a few years ago the producers remind us that redemption has been an overriding theme of the series since Day 1... "Kate blew up a house with a man inside, Sayid is a torturer, Sawyer has done all sorts of nasty things. That's the space the show lives in. Michael was one of the few characters who was a victim before he came to the Island. He was a good guy, and his wife took his son away from him. He didn't have anything to be redeemed for until now." Perhaps the flash-sideways are the redemption that the producers have been hinting at the entire time. The characters are "fixing" their mistakes.
4) Claire:
It appears that Claire didn't time travel with the LOSTIES during last season's time flashes... she has been there for the 3 years (like Richard and the Others).
Claire said the Others captured and tortured her (even showed the scar). Based on this, and what Dogen said about Claire being infected, it seems that she underwent a test like Sayid.
Wondering how Claire became friends with Flocke... after all, she said "That's not John, that's my friend!" She seemed to list him separately than her dad because she said she had been out in the jungle with her dad AND a friend.
5) Jack and Hurley's adventure:
Shannon's inhaler (didn't they accuse Sawyer of taking that?), the caves, the skeletons, the coffin... it was nice to have some Season 1 nostalgia.

6) The lighthouse:

The mirror... I think the only purpose of this in the episode was to show the LOSTIES that Jacob has been watching for a long time...we already knew that. But, now they finally do.
The dial # 108- Wallace. Who is that and is it important? The theory is that it's Desmond. Wallace is a Scottish name, the name of a Scottish hero in fact, and Desmond is Scottish.
"Paradox Lost" WRITTEN BY WALLACE is a book that extrapolates on the properties on magnetic/electromagnetic fields in relation to light, mass and time by a few physicists, but primarily by a scientist named Michael Faraday.
In the mirror, we see the church from Sawyer's parents funeral... ... the building where Jin and Sun got married... the house where Jack grew up.
See attached for Kate's name... #51 - Austen
I think it looks like Jack's name has been written over another name or is at least bolder than the other names (see attached).
Hurley has stepped into Richard's shoes... guiding others to follow Jacob's "orders."
7) At the temple:

In the hallway when Hurley was looking for a secret door, he instructed Dogen to return to the courtyard. Dogen replied in Japanese (roughly): "If you weren't a candidate I'd..."
8) Perhaps the cave that Flocke took Sawyer to isn't Jacob's? Jacob already has the lighthouse dial. Maybe the cave is where Flocke has been listing names trying to figure out who is on Jacob's candidate list and he crosses them out during his process of elimination...

9) Interesting that smoke and mirrors are used a lot in this show.... Probably means that we've been theorizing all wrong and the writers have totally duped us!

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Fun for the next episode!

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That's a nice link, thanks! It reminded me of a few things that happened in the first seasons that I forgot about.

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Can't get enough of Lost. There's just so much to it.

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Another great update Bao!! Certainly helps tie stuff together!!

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The enhanced version of Lighthouse was great: They translated what Dogen said to Hurley. Basically, it was "You're lucky I have to protect you, otherwise I'd remove your head from your body and feed it to the boars." :r

But here's an interesting question about Dogen: Why was he in LA in the flash sideways when he was a business man in Japan? Obviously, there are large differences here in the flash sideways.

I keep meaning to sit down and write out a lot of my thoughts (some spurred by Bao's collected notes postings). Maybe one day I'll get around to that...

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I don't like this theory. Two large reasons that I do not like this theory are Sayid and Hurley. Whether in the past or in the present, on the island or off, in this story or in the flash sideways, Sayid just can't catch a break. Sayid's past never leaves him. Sayid is always the one you go to when there is going to be a direct physical confrontation. No matter what Sayid tries, his past will continue to haunt him.

Hurley, on the other hand, doesn't have the dark/troubled past that lead him to the island. Hurley is ... just being Hurley. He's got confidence in himself, which indicates that he's not considered (by himself or others) to be crazy or haunted or anything. He won the lottery, and what he's doing with the money in the flash sideways mirrors what he was doing with the money originally.

Hurly is just being Hurley. Sayid is just being Sayid. Jack is just being Jack. Kate is just being Kate. Whatever happened, happened. In the flash sideways, the Island never happened to these people. The Island sank after the Jughead was detonated, presumably, as evidenced by the underwater Dharmaville shots in the episode LA X. They're just living their lives.

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When they are at the audition he made a comment to Jack, something to the effect of 'it's hard to just stand by and watch, you feel so helpless.'

Is he there to observe Jack while trying to influence others to guide Jack in the direction 'they' want?

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:-(

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LOST season 6, ep #5 "Sundown"

1) Nadia
Nadia's necklace this episode consisted of a circle within a circle. Maybe this represented the alternate time line being a subset of the larger story we've been watching for the past five years?
Her back story... she also lived in Iraq and Sayid was ordered to torture her for information. Instead, he orchestrated her escape and even killed a fellow soldier to secure her protection. As she ran away, Nadia showed her feelings for Sayid to be genuine by writing a message on a picture of herself in Sayid's dossier: ''You will find me in the next life, if not in this one.'' *gasp!*
The minivan in Nadia's driveway had the same license plate as Jack's jeep from last week (see attached photos)
Nadia no longer bears scars on her arms from scalding water and burns as a result of Sayid's torturing. That implies that in this sideways-world she was never tortured by Sayid.

2) Dogen
Dogen's son... yet another car crash (add it to the list: Kate's friend Tom, Matthew Abbadon, Claire and her mom, Kate and the farmer, Michael in NY, Locke while chasing his mom, Sarah Shepherd and Shannon's dad, the marshall dodging the black horse, Juliet's ex-husband hit by bus, Hurley crashes his hot rod, Emily Locke hit while pregnant with John, Nadia in crosswalk)
Jacob's offer is similar to Ben's promise back in season three... Made ironically enough under the pretense of "Jacob's word", Ben promised to cure Juliet's sister's cancer if she herself were to stay on the island. Stuck there, unable to leave, Juliet was miserable from that point forward... just as Dogen was miserable throughout his duty as temple leader.
Dogen explained to Sayid that the machine he zapped him with back in ''What Kate Does'' was designed to ''tell us how the scale is balanced. And yours... tipped the wrong way.'' Should we note that Dogen didn't say ''tipped toward evil?'' Should we be wondering if LOST wanted to invite debate what the ''right way'' might be?
Jacob gave Dogen a specific job on the island in order to save his son. In their contract, Dogen CANNOT kill any of the candidates. Dogen was about to kill Sayid, but the baseball crashed to the floor, reminding Dogen that if he killed Sayid, he would break his contract (and maybe his son's safety?).

3) Sayid's flash-sideways
As we've been seeing, the flash-sideways seems to be where our Losties can break their cycles of bad behavior and move forward with hope of a different outcome.
This is the second time we've seen Jin in a food pantry (In "Everyone Hates Hugo" Jin appeared in Hurley's dream set in the swan hatch food pantry). Actually, this is the second time we've seen Sayid in one too (In "Enter 77" Sayid was questioned inside a French restaurant's food pantry).
At dinner with his family Sayid claims that his job is taking him next to Toronto, and whenever someone on LOST mentions Canada, they're lying: Ethan claimed to be from Canada, Bonnie and Greta (from the Looking Glass station) claimed to be on assignment in Canada, Anthony Cooper claimed to be from Canada, Sawyer claimed to have a Canadian business partner as part of a con. Weird, huh?

4) Keamy
Omar (from Widmore's freighter mercenary team) picks Sayid up and forces him to meet with the money-lender who harmed his brother - none other than island Omar's mercenary team leader, Martin Christopher Keamy! (see attached photos of Omar)
Jin is working for Mr. Paik, and we know that Keamy has worked for Charles Widmore, and we know that the two (Paik and Widmore) are connected. Maybe Jin is being held prisoner due to a feud between the two? Is Keamy wearing the gold watch that Jin was supposed to deliver? Looked like it!

5) Jacob's bargain
Could this explain why Richard is ageless? Jacob made him an offer he couldn't refuse, much like Dogen's?
Is it possible that after Nadia was hit by the car, Jacob offered Sayid to save her life but Sayid would have to go to the island too, and that when Jack's father died, maybe he bargained for the same thing, but they just haven't shown us that yet? Maybe even Sawyer bargained for his parents? Just a thought!

6) Flocke's bargain
Flocke promised Claire that he'd get Aaron back for her in exchange for her faithful service. What if I told you could have your heart's desire? It's hard to hear Flocke's enticements and not wonder if what he's offering the castaways is a ticket to Sidewaysville... that if they do what he asks he'll get them to this flash-sideways where they can redeem and start over!
"Anything at all"... And what Sayid wants is Nadia (though I should mention it's conceivable that he was referring to Shannon). Sure, it's free will, but does free will really matter when one choice is so undesirable? Does Sayid really have a choice to do the things he does if he believes not doing them will harm the people he cares about?
Maybe the Others are more like the 815 survivors than we previously thought. They can't leave the island, even if they want to, they've long since given up on asking questions because people like Dogen, Richard and Ben don't give out answers, and all they want to do now is survive as best they can.

7) Kate
Recruiting Kate into his army may be one of Flocke's biggest mistakes, because even though Austen-51 may not be one of Jacob's favorite six numbers, Kate is definitely still a candidate.
It seems that Kate may be the one recruit who hasn't made a deal with Flocke, taken anything from him, or chosen to join him of her own free will. This could be dangerous for Flocke.

8) The infection
What if the "infection" isn't really an infection but is someone exercising their free will???

9) From last week's episode "Lighthouse":
Did the chains that Hurley pulled in the lighthouse sound like the smoke monster's "clanging/ clicking?"

10) Interesting theories/ comments I found:

"In fact, think about the wondrous things associated with Jacob. Richard's eternal youth. The resurrection hot spring. And, if you believe Ben from season 3, a cure for cancer. Jacob isn't ''good,'' per se - he's just capable of giving life. Put another way: Jacob is the god of beginnings. He is The Alpha. The Man in Black? Not evil - he's the god of endings. He is the Omega. The beginning and the end. Polar, warring opposites, but absolutely necessary for life to bloom (Alpha) and to have form (Omega). Both are necessary for anything to have meaning. Jacob unchecked leads to chaos; Man In Black unchecked leads to annihilation. Both need to exist in balance; both need to be equally weighted rocks on the scale."

"The narrative of Lost has always been one of opposed factions. Dharma, the Others. The fuselage, the tail section. The beach, the caves. Man of science, man of faith. Fate, free will. John's group, Jack's group. The Oceanic 6, those left behind. 1977, 2007. Good, evil. Light, dark. Black, white. Jacob, the Man in Black. But it's past sundown now, and wherever our characters have aligned could very well be where they stay for the rest of the story."

"This is supposed to be a show about redemption and choice. Maybe the off-island lives are the redemptive part of making the right choices and the reward for those choices. Perhaps what we are seeing is the Losties somehow having the opportunity to change their FATE and are rewarded with happier lives."

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We are running out of episodes and we still don't have jack and or s&*! for answers. I don't think the writers have an end point and they are still making this stuff up as they go along. :(

The good news is that Kate is still the love of my tv life.

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Getting geared up for tonight's episode, we have company over to watch with us here. I'm pumped!

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Sadly I am not all that impressed with Kate. Got to talk to her while in Paris last year at the Louvre. She was def cute but I will take Juliet anyday!!! :dr
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I never was much for blonds.

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Wow that's big.

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:r:r
That's funny

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Hmmm.. I'm a bit torn about this last season of Lost. It's very... BLAH to me.

Been a die-hard fan since season two. Seems like the writers are just making stuff up as they go along now. I know there's 9-10 episodes left.. but I definitely don't think we're going to be getting the "perfect ending" we're all hoping for. Nothing has made my jaw drop this season, like in the past.

Just my 2 cents, hopefully it gets better :tu

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LOST season 6, ep #6 "Dr. Linus"

1) Jack, Richard, Hurley:
Hurley waking up in the field of flowers was reminiscent of the poppy sequence in The Wizard of Oz (add it to the list of Oz references from this show... here's a link to all the Oz references http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz).
"I can't kill myself", Richard explains. It doesn't explain his agelessness, but it does explain a lot of other things we've seen these past years. Namely, it tells us why Jack couldn't kill himself on the sixth street bridge, why Locke couldn't hang himself in that hotel room, and ended up needing some help from Ben. Maybe it even suggests that Michael was touched by Jacob at one point too, because his repeated attempts at suicide in season four were all thwarted (until the island was done with him).

2) Ben's flash-sideways:
Arzt complained that got formaldehyde on his shirt, a funny reference to the season 1 episode when Arzt blew up and Jack got some Arzt on his shirt.
Until this week's episode, it had been safe to assume that both the Island and Sideways worlds shared the same history until 1977, which is when the time-traveling Losties detonated Jughead. Now we know differently. The flash-sideways revelation that Ben and his Dad were a part of Dharma means that Sideways Roger and Ben left the Island prior to its sinking. But Island Roger and Ben were still on the Island when Juliet banged the bomb. Implication: If the two worlds share a common history, the fork in the road is sometime before 1977.

Funny that in the scene with Roger, Ben went in to a closet filled with gas tanks to replace an oxygen tank for his Dad. When Dharma was purged Ben gassed his Dad to death.

Principal Reynolds vs Charles Widmore... both exposed by Ben for cheating... in position of power that Ben wanted.

Reynolds in turn threatened to ''torch'' Alex's chances at getting into Yale and thus destroy her future, just as Widmore sent his goons to ''torch'' (Widmore's word) the Island and kill Alex unless Ben bent to his will.
Donald Lawrence Reynolds is an anagram for 'a cloned world nearly ends'
Ben was teaching about Napoleon and Elba are good metaphors for the island and its various leaders. Like Elba, the island is a sort of prison for larger-than-life entities. Being sent to Elba was, as Ben pointed out, the end of Napoleon's power. I know this parallel was supposed to hint at the losses of power and exiles of Ben and Widmore (in their cases, from the island, not to it), but Elba could also refer to the Man in Black, who views the island as a sort of prison.

3) Widmore:
Widmore/ Ben/ Others history:
When Widmore was the Others' leader he ordered Ben to ''exterminate'' both Rousseau and Alex. Ben refused and Widmore dismissed Ben's ''idealism'' as sentimental and self-serving - about him needing to feel needed (much like Principal Reynolds accused Ben of needing History Club more than the students did). When Ben uncovered the truth about Widmore's off-island affair (with, presumably, Penny's mother), he staged a coup and forced Widmore into exile. Ben then moved the Others out of the jungle and into Dharmaville (after the Purge). But Ben's dream of settling down and playing house - modifying Others culture in such a way to service and fulfill his own desires - was surely antithetical to the Others' true purpose, and was most likely what earned the Others' their fertility curse from the Island/Jacob. Richard said as much when he encouraged Locke to make a play for Ben's job. ''Ben has been wasting our time with novelties like fertility problems,'' Richard said. ''We're looking for someone to remind us that we're here for more important reasons.''
Widmore ordered Keamy to kill Alex, if needed, to remove Ben from the island. Ben visited Widmore off-island and threatened to retaliate by killing Widmore's daughter, Penny.

Widmore/ Miles history:
Widmore recruited Miles, with the mercenaries, to come to the island. At one point, Miles and his taco were kidnapped by Bram (from Ilana's crew) who tried to talk Miles out of taking the job and being on the wrong side.
Widmore/ Eloise Hawking's allegiance:
Ms. Hawking made sure Locke's corpse went back to the island, that he was a proxy for Christian Shephard. But by doing so, she helped Smokey use Locke's body.

Widmore also wanted Locke to return to the island. Are Widmore and Ms. Hawking working together? Maybe Widmore wanted Smokey to take the form of Locke so that he would recognize him once he arrived? Fighting is easier if you recognize the enemy, no?
We've believed that Ilana's people are pro-Jacob and the freighter/ mercenaries were pro-Widmore. If Widmore's in cahoots with Smokey, wouldn't it make sense that he's Smokey's way off the island, and if Flocke wasn't lying to Ben, that someone will lead the island when he leaves, perhaps he promised Widmore, if Widmore helped him, that he would get him back to the island and have him be the leader.

I guess what I'm trying to say here, whose side is everyone on?
Jacob told Hurley "someone's coming to the island and I need you to help them get here." Was Jacob referring to Widmore or someone else? Why would Jacob want Widmore to come to the island if Widmore facilitated Locke's body returning to the island, which in turn, gave Smokey a body to use? Remember that Widmore told Locke (after Locke turned the frozen wheel and ended up in the Tunisian Desert) "if you don't return, the wrong side will win."

4) Ilana:
She revealed that she is charged with protecting the candidates who will replace Jacob.
Ilana facilitated Ben's redemption by forgiving him/ accepting him into her group. This time, Ben made the right choice- fulfilling, perhaps, Jacob's dying hope that Ben had the capacity for change. Ben became the first person this season to turn down Flocke's bargain.

5) Flocke:
Perhaps Flocke wanted Ben to kill Ilana. He probably can't kill her himself, just like he couldn't kill Jacob or the candidates. Ilana is probably off limits, too, so Flocke was trying to manipulate Ben into killing her.
Did Ben kill Locke in the hotel room because he knew Locke couldn't kill himself? (Remember that Ben needed Locke dead to convince the other Losties to go back)
Flocke told Ben he was needed to guard the island after Flocke leaves... interesting because Flocke told Sawyer that it's just an island and doesn't need protecting.

6) Miles:
Reveals that Jacob knew Ben would kill him ("No, he cared. He was hoping he was wrong about you"). This goes against the original theory of Jacob knowingly accepting his own demise.

7) The Beach:
The "girlie" magazine from Sawyer's old tent had something about "mirrors" written in the bottom corner and also something about "getting to the bottom of things" (haha)

The Chosen (book from Sawyer's tent) - About father/ son relationships. Some themes: a son rebelling about taking his fathers place as rabbi, the validity of Faith in a world moving toward science, mankind's total destruction. One defining part of the book where the two main characters (young boys) first meet is at a baseball game where one boy tells the other boy that he "wanted to kill him" after a baseball injury.

Lapidus overslept and missed flying Oceanic 815
The reunion moment at the end - This moment was staged to deliberately echo the scene from the season 3 episode ''One Of Us,'' when Jack, Kate, and Sayid returned from Otherville, bringing Juliet with them. When the beach crew saw her everyone gave her the stink-eye (especially, ironically, Sawyer) - just like Jack and Ben traded suspicious looks in this week's episode.

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Two thoughts on last night's episode:

1) Awesome!


2) Holy hell, Charlotte is hot!

:tu

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The only reason I'm sticking with this series is because I've watched it from its inception... I'm still among the non-thrilled.

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I mentioned this type deal to a friend of mine yesterday, or day before. I told him that I had a sinking feeling that the real intent is to take a bunch of craps in a pile and light it on fire with gasoline and laugh as we all try to figure out what it means. Based on the episode earlier this week, I do not think they are going to have me locked in where they want me. I no longer feel like this is going to be must watch stuff. I watched this program since the second episode, and by ABC's skill at retro'ing everything, got to see what I had missed in the first episode almost immediately the next week. So I have seen it all and it just makes me angrier and angrier the deeper I get. The only thing making me watch now is that they moved it into the one desert night I had in the week, so I watch Lost or turn the TV off and watch the fish tank. LOST can cup my nuts.

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I'm still lost but another hot chick appeared so I'm staying!!!;)

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Hehe, I remember back in Season 1 when I thought I had better get into a lost forum so I could float
my theories and have them on paper (cyberly-speaking) so that in the end when I turned out to be
right it would have a date stamp onit, lol. I shudder to think what a Lost forum is like nowadays.
It was a giant mess back THEN. I am afraid I couldn't contain myself.

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:r