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JE3146 01-24-2009 01:46 AM

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Haven't heard anything regarding Fiocchi.

PMC though gets about a 90% favorability with only 4% of users suffering an issue that'd prevent them from buying the ammo again.


(This is being run through AR-15's)

elderboy02 01-24-2009 09:24 AM

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I would go with the PMC. Over on ARFCOM, it has a great rating like Jordan mentioned above.

smokeyandthebandit05 01-24-2009 10:34 PM

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Well my uncle said to go with the PMC as well, both are military surplus. I decided to go with the Fiocchi as this is somethin like when you were a teenager and made a decision on the fly and when you tell your dad he smacks your head. All Im usin it for is in my bolt action Rem 700 doing small varmit and target shooting.

Hopefully I dont regret this but if it does suck I can always buy PMC and sell the Fiocchi to a friend.

Ratters 01-25-2009 01:03 AM

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I haven't shot the .223 Fiocchi but I've shot a lot of their 9mm and .45 and it's all nice clean shooting stuff. I'd try the .223 without a problem.

smokeyandthebandit05 01-26-2009 12:10 PM

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Does anyone have info on Remington Shotguns Manufactured March 1959?

I received a Remington Sportsman 12 Pump Magnum and Im tryin to figure out what the model number is and what parts if I ever need them to get.


It doesnt say 870 or anything like that and my uncles and another guy at work know a good bit about guns and they say it was probably made for Sears or a company like that to sell in their catalogs or maybe a Stevens (I highly doubt)

Ace$nyper 01-26-2009 01:47 PM

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I'm having a hard time tracking down a Nagant revolver... I don't want to go to gun broker because that's too slippery a slope for me, and costs seems to fly up.

Mark C 01-26-2009 06:10 PM

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Try www.aimsurplus.com? Might take awhile to ship though.

Ace$nyper 01-26-2009 06:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark C (Post 193572)
Try www.aimsurplus.com? Might take awhile to ship though.

Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

elderboy02 01-26-2009 09:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper (Post 193576)
Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

AIM is an awesome compnay to deal with. They are top-notch. I had a problem with an AK magazine that I bought. It was rusted to hell and back. I took the floor plate off and tried to sand the mag, but it wouldn't work. I called them and they just sent me a new one :cool2:

Ubergopher 01-26-2009 11:26 PM

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Does anyone here have any experience with building an AR-15, and if you do any recomendation on the parts to get?

JE3146 01-26-2009 11:32 PM

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Yup, I've built plenty.

In order of Quality.

Colt/LMT/Bushmaster/CMT/RRA/Stag/J&T/CMMG/M&A/Del-ton/DPMS/Oly Arms

That's my opinion of course.

Price will obviously drop as you go own the line.

Bang for buck, I prefer CMT/Stag/RRA parts for my builds :tu

If you need any help with the assembly, years ago, I created a PDF file that can be printed out like a workshop manual that goes step by step photographically through assembling an AR-15, as well as talking about all the parts, tools, function testing, and possible build ideas.

Just let me know if you'd like a copy :)

Ubergopher 01-26-2009 11:51 PM

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I'd love a copy of that, it'd be perfect for what I need, PM incoming with my email address. My current plan (without doing any serious looking for the items or price) would be a fixed stock with a short barrel either 10 or 14.5 inches.

Quick question though, would I be able to hot swap between a longer barrel and a shorter one or would I need to monkey with the lower receiver?

JE3146 01-27-2009 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ubergopher (Post 194586)
I'd love a copy of that, it'd be perfect for what I need, PM incoming with my email address. My current plan (without doing any serious looking for the items or price) would be a fixed stock with a short barrel either 10 or 14.5 inches.

Quick question though, would I be able to hot swap between a longer barrel and a shorter one or would I need to monkey with the lower receiver?

First off you need to realize that a short barreled rifle (A rifle with a bbl of under 16" in length from the bolt face to muzzle) will need to be an NFA registered rifle specifically called an SBR, or short barreled rifle.

To achieve a 14.5" barrel without needing the NFA registration, you'll simply need a 1.6" muzzle break permanently affixed to the muzzle of your rifle. That means blind pinned and welded.

If you have a registered SBR, as long as you marked it on the form, the various barrel lengths you would be using, then you can use any of those barrel lengths by swapping uppers. It's recommended to get a grip with a storage area (such as the TD, or the Magpul MOE/MIAD) to store the NFA paperwork in, in case you're ever asked questions about it by an LEO.

Also there's no such thing as hot swapping a barrel unless you have a thing called an LMT MRP :D

You can howevor have multiple upper halves, that can be put onto a dedicated lower by simply removing two takedown pins on the lower receiver, removing the upper, putting a new upper on, and pushing the pins back in place.

It's VERY simple to do that.

Mark C 01-27-2009 06:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper (Post 193576)
Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

elderboy02 01-27-2009 07:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark C (Post 194779)
No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

C&R licenses are awesome. Once you get one, send a copy to Brownells and Midway USA. When they get a copy, once you log in, you get to see the cheaper (dealer) prices :tu

Ratters 01-27-2009 08:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 194571)
Yup, I've built plenty.

In order of Quality.

Colt/LMT/Bushmaster/CMT/RRA/Stag/J&T/CMMG/M&A/Del-ton/DPMS/Oly Arms

That's my opinion of course.

Price will obviously drop as you go own the line.

Bang for buck, I prefer CMT/Stag/RRA parts for my builds :tu

I think you're pretty right on except for Colt. Well, at least the large pin Colts. I've built quite a few, including a couple Del-ton kits and was very pleased with their quality. I'd get one for myself no problem.

A lot of friends have been asking me to help them put rifles together and I keep telling them they missed the boat and now should wait a few months for things to die down and get back to normal.

JE3146 01-27-2009 02:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratters (Post 195025)
I think you're pretty right on except for Colt. Well, at least the large pin Colts. I've built quite a few, including a couple Del-ton kits and was very pleased with their quality. I'd get one for myself no problem.

A lot of friends have been asking me to help them put rifles together and I keep telling them they missed the boat and now should wait a few months for things to die down and get back to normal.

While I don't use Colt, what it boils down to is M&P testing and the sample rate of testing that puts Colt on top of the list, versus down towards the bottom. Granted I'd put them equal to LMT, but they cost more thus putting them ahead on the list when looking at it from a bang for buck perspective. (left side is less bang for buck) And this list is not definitive, nor anything more than my opinion. I've obviously omitting things like GT/Noveske/Bravo/...etc

Statistically speaking, running average equipment through above average scenarios will cause weaker components of lesser quality to fail quicker. Things like extractors, bolt heads, bolt carriers.. etc

It's parts like those that I recommend spending more money on. I'd recommend M&P testing where possible.

As for barrels, it'll boil down to application.

As for receivers, you're paying for a name as long as it's in spec.

Lower parts kit, you're paying for fit, strength, and trigger quality if you have no intention of upgrading the trigger.


So really, put your money where it matters. I have no issues with Del-ton, but you would never see me stick one of their BCG's in my rifle.

JE3146 01-27-2009 05:52 PM

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A couple people have requested this, so I'm gonna post it.

This is a PDF File on how to assemble an AR-15 from parts, how to function check, and lists off all parts and tools necessary to complete a build as well as offering suggestions as to what you could build.

This is free to use and download for personal use, but please do not distribute. I take no responsibility (and neither does anywhere that links it or hosts it) if you decide to shoot yourself in the foot, so be aware of that :r

http://hosted.filefront.com/JE3146/

Find the PDF file mid page, then just to the right of it, it'll say "Download now"

Follow that link and enjoy :)

The pictures are dated, but I made this in 2005/2006, eventually published online in 2006.

I'll be redoing it eventually, but for now it works :)

Ace$nyper 01-27-2009 06:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark C (Post 194779)
No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

Get one of the rifles, if you don't like it, well you did it wrong :r

heck if timing is right on my wallet and you really don't like it I might buy it from you lol.

I own a bunch of rifles and the most fun by far is my M44. It's just, well you have to have a Mosin to get it kinda deal.

I can't wait to take the pistol to the range once I get it. Thanks so much again for the link :)

Mark C 01-27-2009 06:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper (Post 196532)
Get one of the rifles, if you don't like it, well you did it wrong :r

I think I'll get it right :) All those pretty pictures and videos of fire balls are too cool to pass up for $70.

What's the difference between the hex receiver 91/30 models and the 'regular' models?

Ace$nyper 01-27-2009 06:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark C (Post 196586)
I think I'll get it right :) All those pretty pictures and videos of fire balls are too cool to pass up for $70.

What's the difference between the hex receiver 91/30 models and the 'regular' models?

Over all nothing, to a normal shooter/plinker. But if you are picky and want the best place to read up on ANYTHING (plus great jokes) about these rifles
http://7.62x54r.net/

Ace$nyper 01-28-2009 07:57 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE6BBtjUig0&

This man HATES his body hahahah

gpugliese 01-30-2009 03:31 PM

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I passed my .38 marksmanship test today in Boston with a 290 out of 300. Now I get to enjoy the long 7-8 week wait!

JE3146 01-30-2009 04:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 205112)
I passed my .38 marksmanship test today in Boston with a 290 out of 300. Now I get to enjoy the long 7-8 week wait!

Is this to own a handgun? or to conceal carry?

gpugliese 01-30-2009 04:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 205183)
Is this to own a handgun? or to conceal carry?

This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

JE3146 01-30-2009 04:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 205213)
This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

That is just insane.

I go nuts if the background check takes more than 10 minutes :) And all that involves is them dialing the phone while I put my thumb prints on a piece of paper.

elderboy02 01-30-2009 05:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 205213)
This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

That sucks. I would hate to live in a state with such stupid gun laws. Here in Ohio to get a concealed carry permit you have to:

1. Take a 12 hour class where you learn about the laws, proper handling, cleaning, and you have to pass a test where you shoot the gun and hit the target x number of times. You also have to pass the written test.

2. Take your paperwork to the local sheriff's office with your paperwork, get fingerprinted, and pay a fee.

3. If you pass the background check and everything else checks out fine, you get your permit.

Ohio is a "Shall issue" state meaning that if you meet condition "A, B, C, etc." they have to give you a permit. None of the crap where you "have to make large deposits, etc."

Hang in there man..... hopefully you can get a CC permit.

elderboy02 01-30-2009 05:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 205220)
That is just insane.

I go nuts if the background check takes more than 10 minutes :) And all that involves is them dialing the phone while I put my thumb prints on a piece of paper.

You have to do fingerprinting in Oregon?

gpugliese 01-30-2009 06:03 PM

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New Hampshire just requires $10 and a letter to your town's police chief requirement for concealed carry. I don't think you need anything else to own/purchase/shoot a firearm up there.

Non-resident NH CCW permits are easy (and cheap) as well, so I'll definitely be going that route.

elderboy02 01-30-2009 06:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 205415)
New Hampshire just requires $10 and a letter to your town's police chief requirement for concealed carry. I don't think you need anything else to own/purchase/shoot a firearm up there.

Non-resident NH CCW permits are easy (and cheap) as well, so I'll definitely be going that route.

I applied for my non-resident NH CCW permit as well. This will give me the ability to CC in Alabama. I also have a non-resident Pennsylvania permit.

Mark C 01-31-2009 09:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 205213)
Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

Same thing in all of MD. The running joke is you can carry a gun to protect large amounts of cash, but not your life.

Gun permits are at least fairly easy to get, lots of paperwork and a 7+ day waiting period for background checks (handguns), but no classes and no shooting tests. In fact I don't think I remember being fingerprinted...

elderboy02 01-31-2009 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark C (Post 206542)
Same thing in all of MD. The running joke is you can carry a gun to protect large amounts of cash, but not your life.

Gun permits are at least fairly easy to get, lots of paperwork and a 7+ day waiting period for background checks (handguns), but no classes and no shooting tests. In fact I don't think I remember being fingerprinted...

7 day waiting period! :c Wow, you have my sympathy. Stupid gun grabbers. Here in Ohio, it takes longer to fill out the paperwork (4 minutes) than it does for the background check. :)

smokeyandthebandit05 02-04-2009 07:56 AM

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2 updates

I finally got pics of my rifle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...Picture042.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...Picture041.jpg

and

#2

I went to cabelas yesterday and went to buy a rifle. I hand the guy my DL and gun license. He comes back and informs me my addresses do not match. I crap my pants cause my address in the DL is the PO box and on the firearms license its my street address :fl:fl:fl

elderboy02 02-04-2009 08:01 AM

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Nice rifle sir! :D

Tim D. 02-04-2009 09:07 AM

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I love this thread! My motto is: "You can never have too many guns or too much ammo!!!" We have to remain eternally vigilant here in the People's Socialist Republic of Maryland to keep "them" from grabbing our gun rights. :mad:

smokeyandthebandit05 02-04-2009 09:35 AM

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Thanks elderboy. Its a Remington 700 SPS varmint in .223. I love the heavy barrel and just put the bi pod on today. I would like to convert it to the detachable magazine version but I would have to change to stock or modify it

Mark C 02-04-2009 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim D. (Post 214114)
I love this thread! My motto is: "You can never have too many guns or too much ammo!!!" We have to remain eternally vigilant here in the People's Socialist Republic of Maryland to keep "them" from grabbing our gun rights. :mad:

You sound like some of the guys over here: http://www.mdshooters.com

Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

mi2az 02-04-2009 10:26 AM

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Got to get my pics up too. I have a Kahr TP9 that I CC. I have a Sig P245 that I try to CC and find it to damn big. I also have a Golani AK-47 Assualt rifle.

I am also looking to add a tacticle shotgun to the collection. Either a r
Remmington 870 or Mossberg 500.

Ace$nyper 02-04-2009 11:50 AM

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There is no such thing as too big to cc, just may cause back problems and requires a pea coat :r

floydpink 02-04-2009 01:46 PM

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Well, after a month with the Kel Tec P11 9mm, and 6 misfeeds in under 150 rounds, I decided it wasn't the type of weapon I wanted to trust my life with.

They say you need to break them in and do some light sanding, etc to make them perfect, but I'm not a gunsmith nor a patient person. This may be a gun for some, but not for me.

I traded it in today and paid a little extra and left with a J frame Smith and Wesson 38 special airweight.

I was close to a Glock 19, but found this to be way more concealable and way lighter. The Glock just didn't seem to fit right in my hand and the S&W did. The S&W can be in my cargo shorts and feel no more cumbersome than a cel phone.

I freakin love this gun and put 50 rounds through it today with not a problem.

elderboy02 02-04-2009 02:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 214706)
Well, after a month with the Kel Tec P11 9mm, and 6 misfeeds in under 150 rounds, I decided it wasn't the type of weapon I wanted to trust my life with.

They say you need to break them in and do some light sanding, etc to make them perfect, but I'm not a gunsmith nor a patient person. This may be a gun for some, but not for me.

I traded it in today and paid a little extra and left with a J frame Smith and Wesson 38 special airweight.

I was close to a Glock 19, but found this to be way more concealable and way lighter. The Glock just didn't seem to fit right in my hand and the S&W did. The S&W can be in my cargo shorts and feel no more cumbersome than a cel phone.

I freakin love this gun and put 50 rounds through it today with not a problem.

That is exactly what I did. I had the P11, but I didn't care too much for it. I sold the P11 to my brother and bought a J-frame. I carry the J-frame everyday. It is so light, you forget it is there :tu

floydpink 02-04-2009 02:22 PM

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Biggest bonus is that it goes "bang" every time you pull the trigger, which is also a fraction as stiff as the Kel Tec was.

I've always been a revolver fan, but was talked into the P11. It has a cult like following and apparantly has great customer service.

Not likely I'll ever trade it in and hard to beat Smith and Wesson's track record.

It took a bit of adjusting on the range as I was shooting high. The Kel Tec is famous for shooting low. The salesman took me out and gave me some tips and it seems that this gun work best when you just point it at about chest height and go straight.

He was joking that I was hitting the silouette between the eyes everytime and I would look like judge, jury, and executioner if I ever went to court, God forbid.

I took a little loss on the trade and had put on the trigger shoe and belt clip and mag extender, but the S&W was on sale and I figure my life is worth it.

Catfish 02-04-2009 02:59 PM

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Generic pic of my SA XDM.40. Will post the pic of .40, torch, knife, etc. later when I get home.

http://godgunsglory.com/wp-content/u...008/07/xdm.jpg

Generic pic of my S&W 410 in .40 cal.

http://www.nu-lawgroup.co.za/images/...sson%20410.jpg

Bad Pic of my kaniff

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0...AAAAAV9Gzw.jpg


And my torch

http://images.ifguk.co.uk/products/1356/zoom.jpg

Sauer Grapes 02-04-2009 03:01 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
besides gun broker, are there any online resources to match buyers with sellers? I've noticed most on gunbroker are dealers and the prices for the most part aren't really any cheaper than my local shop (minus taxes of course). I don't mind having to transfer though a FFL, I just want to find something more local.

JE3146 02-04-2009 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sauer Grapes (Post 214873)
besides gun broker, are there any online resources to match buyers with sellers? I've noticed most on gunbroker are dealers and the prices for the most part aren't really any cheaper than my local shop (minus taxes of course). I don't mind having to transfer though a FFL, I just want to find something more local.

There's a rather extensive equipment exchange on a place called http://www.ar15.com

Could try there.

elderboy02 02-04-2009 05:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 215002)
There's a rather extensive equipment exchange on a place called http://www.ar15.com

Could try there.

Yep. The Equipment Exchange on AR15.com is the best classifieds I have ever seen.

JE3146 02-04-2009 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 215073)
Yep. The Equipment Exchange on AR15.com is the best classifieds I have ever seen.

That and you might run into a couple familiar faces :D

elderboy02 02-04-2009 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 215082)
That and you might run into a couple familiar faces :D

Yep! :D Hey Jordan, why don't you have a hello kitty avatar over there?

floydpink 02-04-2009 05:22 PM

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Hey Elderboy. Question;

With the Kel Tec, it was really picky about ammo, so I didn't skimp at the range.

I'm guessing the S&W will be like my old Taurus 357 and shoot anything I fed it, right?

The good stuff is only 6 bucks more for a box of 50, so maybe I should just do that?

Thanks.

elderboy02 02-04-2009 05:25 PM

Re: First Firearm Thread.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by floydpink (Post 215099)
Hey Elderboy. Question;

With the Kel Tec, it was really picky about ammo, so I didn't skimp at the range.

I'm guessing the S&W will be like my old Taurus 357 and shoot anything I fed it, right?

The good stuff is only 6 bucks more for a box of 50, so maybe I should just do that?

Thanks.

Yep. The revolver will eat anything. I use Remington UMC ammo at the range. I use Speer Gold Dots for self-defense.


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