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Bao, I shouldn't have read your "hints and such" post right there. Now I want to flail about and scream because I have to wait so long for my Lost! :r

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My wife's as big a fan as I am--and she reminded me that February 2 is our anniversary. Guess we'll be eating in & watching Lost this year! :banger

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Did I post this yet? Hmmm

Lots of hints and such regarding season 6. These are not necessarily spoilers, but hints and things to look forward to. However, if you don't want to know stop reading now.

Comic Con is a conference that showcases sci fi, comics, fantasy-genre games, tv, movies, and books. The LOST producers were there to answer questions and show some videos.

Points of interest:

1. Season six of will be reminiscent of season one in that there will be a lot of running through the jungle and emotional development for the characters.
2. Faraday WILL appear in season 6.
3. They also mention that Season 6 won't have time travel or flash forwards, but "something different."
4. The marketing graphic for season 6 included all our favorite characters (even some dead ones!) but the important thing is that the last character added to the animation was Locke, and he was very obviously facing backwards, while all the other characters were facing forward. Creepy! (see attached poster)
5. They confirm that Richard Alpert will be finally getting his flashback in the final season. And Richard himself, actor Nestor Carbonell, is there on video, looking at himself in the mirror backstage. "Richard Alpert isn't ageless. YOU are," he says to himself. He then throws a fit over being handed the wrong eyeliner. So funny!
6. Juliet will appear, in some fashion, in season 6 and her survival is contingent upon Jack's plan working (bomb exploding).
7. The mystery of the food pallet drops will be uncovered in season 6.
8. The show's producers say that Jacob always looks like Jacob. By this, they mean that we won't learn later that people that have come in and out of the lives of our characters was in fact Jacob in disguise.
9. According to Josh Holloway in the press room, Sawyer will be destroyed by the tragedy of Juliet, pushing him back towards his original, more "salty" character. He'll still carry around season five's character growth, but he'll be rejecting it.
10. We learn that Libby's last name was Smith (Elizabeth Smith).
11. Three videos are shown:
1. An Oceanic Airlines video which says that the airline has had a perfect safety record since 1979.
2. A Mr. Cluck's Chicken commercial where Hurley is announced as the owner and CEO and says that ever since he won the lottery he's had nothing but good luck.
3. An "America's Most Wanted" clip that shows Kate as a fugitive who meant to kill her stepfather but accidentally killed the wrong man.
4. All three hinted that Season 6 will see some form of alternate time line. It doesn't literally mean that these things happen in the future, but the show now wants us to start thinking about the fact that Jack, with a major assist from Juliet, actually pulled off his plan.
12. Jorge Garcia (Hurley) is in the audience and notes that the videos just shown heavily hint that the previous five seasons will be wiped away if Jack was successful. He calls such a move a "cheat." The producers ask that he trust them, to which Jorge delivers the line: "Last time I trusted you guys, you said Nikki and Paulo were going to be awesome."
13. Lastly, Dominic Monaghan (Charlie Pace) crashes the stage. Onlookers noted the words, "Am I alive?" written on his hand as he waves to the audience.


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http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/19...ost-fans/39394

:D

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With the much-anticipated day rapidly approaching, I just thought I'd drop this off for any interested parties: http://www.myspace.com/theoceanicsixmusic

The Oceanic Six is a Lost fandom band.

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tomorrow is the big night! :wo

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Wednesday is the big day for me. It's what I get for getting all my TV on the internets. :)

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UPDATE

The ultimate list of unanswered questions.

THE ISLAND

 Was Locke really healed by the island? Or was he healed by Jacob or the Man in
Black?

 Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and Michael once saw an enormous green-colored bird
swoop out of a tree towards them, and Hurley thought that the bird said his name.
What kind of bird was this, and did it really say Hurley's name?

 Were there any permanent consequences to the island when the Swan's failsafe was
activated and the sky turned purple? Was the electromagnetic pocket of energy
beneath the island destroyed by the failsafe, or made dormant?

 What does the frozen wheel do, mechanically-speaking, to make the island move?
Does it access the electromagnetic energy pocket somehow? What's behind the wheel
that generated the bright yellow light? Why is it so cold in the underground chamber
where the island-moving wheel is housed? The wheel looks like a man-made device,
so who made it and put it there?

 Since turning the wheel beneath the Orchid station sends one to the Tunisian desert,
it stands to reason that the polar bear Charlotte found in Tunisia wearing a Dharma
Initiative collar must also have turned the wheel at some point, and that's how it
wound up there. What and when were the circumstances surrounding the polar bear
that turned the wheel and moved the island? Who was responsible for this, and why?

 Why were the Oceanic survivors, the Freighter Folk, and Juliet affected by the island's
time jumps, yet the Others were not?

 Why was Sun left behind in the present on Ajira 316, when all of the other Oceanic 6
were transported through time to the past?

 Why would the island let Ben come back after he left, but not Widmore?

 Who built the Tunnels under the island? Do the Tunnels run all over (or rather, under)
the island? What else is down there?

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JACOB & THE MAN IN BLACK

 Who is Jacob, and how did he come to be on the island?

 Who is the Man in Black, aka Jacob's Nemesis?

 How did Jacob and the Man in Black come to be on the island?

 What's the nature of Jacob and the Man in Black's yin/yang-type relationship? And why can't they kill each other?

 Can Jacob see the future? (He went to Ilana's bedside and asked her to help him, and he also ordered the Hydra Island runway built. The logical conclusion is that the runway was needed because he knew Ilana would be coming to the island via Ajira 316.)

 Jacob is apparently responsible for bringing everyone to the island that gets to it. How does Jacob bring people to the island?

 Why did Jacob touch so many of the castaways in the past? Why did he choose them, and what did his touch cause to happen? Is he the reason they escaped the crash of Oceanic 815 without harm?

 Did Jacob touch anyone else in the same way?

 Why did Jacob give Hurley a guitar case to bring back to the island? What's inside it?

 Why does the Man in Black want to kill Jacob?

 If Jacob hasn't been living in the cabin, who has? The Man in Black? Is this who Ben and Locke encountered the day they visited the cabin?

 How did the Man in Black take on Locke's form? Can he assume the form of anyone he wants, or does it have to be a dead person?

 What all did the Man in Black "go through" to get to Jacob?

 Who was Jacob referring to when he warned the Man in Black that "they're coming"?

 Who or what is Christian Shephard? Does he really speak for Jacob, or is he an instrument of the Man in Black?

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THE SMOKE MONSTER
 What is the smoke monster?

 Is the monster technological or supernatural?

 Why does the monster kill certain people -- like Mr. Eko, Captain Norris of Oceanic 815, and Nadine of the French science expedition -- while leaving others it encounters alive? What's different about those it kills?

 The monster sometimes calls up images of peoples' pasts before it passes judgment on them. (We've seen it do this with Eko, Juliet, and Ben.) How is the monster able to do this?

 What exactly happened to Montand and the other Frenchmen beneath the Temple? Did the monster change them, as Danielle believed? Did it kill them and take their place?

 How did draining the water out of that tiny hole below Ben's house summon the smoke monster? Who built the monster-summoning water hole there to begin with?

 Since we've seen other dead people (like Locke) on the island before, such as Alex Rousseau and Yemi, who very likely were the smoke monster taken human form, does this mean that the Man in Black is the smoke monster? Could they be one and the same?

THEEGYPTIANSTATUE
Why are there Egyptian-style hieroglyphs all over the island? Who put them there?

 Why was an enormous statue of an Egyptian fertility goddess (Tawaret) erected on the island? And why did Jacob choose to live beneath it? Did Jacob build it, or was someone else responsible? When was it built, and when & how was it destroyed?

 Is there a link between the Exit's location in Tunisia and the island's Egyptian influences?

THE"ADAM&EVE" SKELETONS


Who are the Adam & Eve skeletons? Are they characters we know?

 How did they die? Was it, as the castaways guessed, forty to fifty years ago?

 Why was one of them carrying two stones, one white and one black? THE NUMBERS (4 8 15 16 23 42)

 Are the Numbers really cursed? Do they have power?

 Who sent the transmission from the island heard by Leonard Sims and Sam Toomey at the Navy listening post in the Pacific? And why? (This was the same transmission heard by Danielle's science team, which lured them toward the island.)

THE WHISPERS
 What are the Whispers?

 The Whispers always seem to precede an appearance by the Others or the smoke monster. What's the connection?

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SORRY FOR MAKING YOU READ ALL THIS!


THE BLACK ROCK
 How did the Black Rock get beached so far inland on the island?

 A journal belonging to the Black Rock's first mate found its way to Madagascar after the ship wrecked on the island. How did it get there?

 Tovard Hanso found the Black Rock journal in Madagascar and kept its contents secret for over a century. Is this journal how Alvar Hanso found out about the island, and decided to send the Dharma Initiative there?

 Why did the Hanso family suddenly decide to sell the Black Rock journal (which Charles Widmore purchased at auction) in 1996, after years of keeping it a family secret?

 Richard Alpert constructed a model of a ship in a bottle that looked like the Black Rock. Does he have a connection to the Black Rock? Was he one of its crewmembers?

THE INCIDENT
 Does "the Incident" refer to the electromagnetic pocket being breeched, or the hydrogen bomb being detonated? Or both?

 What happened when Juliet detonated the hydrogen bomb? Did it reset time? Did it destroy the island?

 How did Richard watch Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sawyer, Juliet, and Miles die? Did he witness the hydrogen bomb explosion?

THETEMPLE

 What is the purpose of the Temple? What happens there? Is it for worshiping something or someone?

 Who built the Temple, and when?

 Why is the Temple a secret to be kept from outsiders?

 What happened to young Ben when Richard carried him inside the Temple? Why did it cause Ben's memory to be erased and his innocence to be lost?

THE PURGE

 Why did the Others wipe out the Dharma Initiative? Relations between the two groups were always tense, but what pushed the Others to take an action as extreme as massacre?

THE DHARMA INITIATIVE

 Does the Dharma Initiative still exist today, off the island?

 Who is the "very clever fellow" working for the Dharma Initiative who figured out how to find the island and built the Lamp Post station?

 Is it mere coincidence that the Dharma Initiative built the Barracks over the place where the Others buried the hydrogen bomb?

THE DHARMA FOOD DROPS

 Who made the Dharma food drop?

 How often do the food drops take place?

 The Swan station went into lockdown mode coinciding with the timing of the food drop. Why would the Swan need to be locked down when a food drop was being conducted?

 Locke suggested that the Swan was locked down so that the Dharma workers couldn't see who was dropping the food palette. Is this the reason for the lockdown? If so, why would the source of the food drop want to remain anonymous?

 Was Eko right about the salted circle on the ground above the Pearl station being made a visible target for planes to see? Could the circle be the intended target of the Dharma food drops?

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ISLAND PREGNANCY
 What's causing pregnant women to die on the island?

 Amy Goodspeed was able to carry her baby to full term and deliver successfully, so the problem that present-day Others have with bearing children is something that started after 1977. When did this pregnancy problem start?

[THE VOLCANO


 Where is the island's volcano?

 When in the island's past did it erupt?

 Is the volcano now dormant?

CLAIRE

 According to psychic Richard Malkin, "danger surrounds" Aaron, and he requires her protection and influence as he grows. Why? What did Malkin see in Claire's reading? What was so dire about Aaron's future that Malkin would go to extreme lengths to arrange for Claire to be on Oceanic 815, to ensure that she alone would raise her son?

 Why was Miles so interested in Claire? Did something about her set off his abilities as a medium? Is Claire dead, having not survived the explosion of her house at the Barracks?

 What's become of Claire? Why did she go with Christian to Jacob's cabin, and leave her baby behind?

 Why didn't Christian want Locke to tell anybody he saw Claire at the cabin? Why does Claire's status need to be kept a secret?

 Why did Claire tell Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island?

RICHARDALPERT
 How and when did Richard originally come to the island?

 What did Jacob do to Richard to cause him to stop aging?

 How old is Richard?

LIBBY
 Why was Libby a patient at Santa Rosa Mental Hospital?

 Why did Libby hide the fact that she was at Santa Rosa from Hurley -- and that she remembered him from there? Did she have ulterior motives for her budding relationship with him?

 Was Desmond's chance encounter with Libby really so random? She was awfully trusting and willing to believe in a man she didn't know and give him her husband's boat. Was there more to this meeting than it seems?

ILANA

 Who is Ilana? What is her history with Jacob?

 What happened to Ilana in the past, that gave her a severe head wound? How did she fully recover? Jacob?

 What did Jacob need Ilana's help with?

PIERRE CHANG

 Why does Dr. Chang go by a different name in every Dharma Orientation video?

 Chang selected the site of the Orchid station, based on his knowledge of the pocket of
"unlimited power" beneath the site. How did he know ahead of time where to build
the Orchid?

 Did Chang recognize the wooden wheel buried beneath the Orchid station when he saw it on the sonar? Does he know what it is, and who put it there?

 Is Pierre Chang really dead in the present? Did he die on the island? Did he die in the Purge?

ELOISE HAWKING

 How is Eloise able to know the future?

 Why was Eloise in a photo on Brother Campbell's desk? How do they know each other?

 What did Eloise mean when she said the island "isn't finished yet" with Desmond?

 Eloise was once the leader of the Others, so why did she leave the island?

 Why does Eloise now live at the church where the Lamp Post station is housed?

 Why would Eloise send her son to the island, knowing that he would die by her own hand? What could be so vitally important to the fate of the island that Eloise would sacrifice her own son to see it done?

 Eloise said to Penny, "For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to happen next." If she's able to see the future, why has she suddenly lost that ability?

CHARLES WIDMORE
 If Matthew Abaddon is the reason Locke went to Australia for his walkabout, and Abaddon works for Widmore... does this mean that Widmore knew Oceanic 815 was going to crash on the island, and he arranged for Locke to be on it?

 The Oceanic Airlines employees take orders from Widmore. Does he own Oceanic?

 Charles Widmore knew of Paik Industries and even mentioned that he played golf regularly with Sun's father. Are these two powerful men merely business associates, or do they share a deeper connection (such as an interest in the island, perhaps)?

SAYID'S VENDETTA

 Who is responsible for Nadia's death? Widmore? Ben? Was it just a random crime?

 Who was the man stationed outside of Santa Rosa Mental Institute, watching Hurley? Who did he work for?

 Who were the men waiting at Sayid's hotel room, intent on killing him and Hurley? Who did they work for?

MISCELLANEOUS
 How is Walt "different "? What's the extent of his abilities?

 What became of Ben's childhood friend Annie? Was she killed during the Purge, or had she left the island by then?

 Harper insinuated that Juliet was favored by Ben because she "looked just like her." Which "her" was Harper referring to? Ben's mother? His childhood friend Annie?

 If Frank Lapidus was originally supposed to be the pilot of Oceanic 815, why was he replaced by Seth Norris?

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That was Awesome :tu:banger

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I'll be honest, I wasn't real thrilled with last seasons writing, and with the exception of a couple instances last night, the jury is still out on this season

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I thought it was pretty good. I didn't realize it was a two hour episode until the first hour was over. I was going to be very disappointed if the first hour had stood alone, but I liked where the second hour went.

So do you think Jacob is in Sayid now?

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I delayed my trip to Switzerland to see last night's episode on time. It was worth it too. So many questions. Just love Lost. Everyone is so striking looking.

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Great question...Was it me or did Sayid have an accent when he spoke to Jack?

Baller!

I actually am sad to see Juliet gone. :(

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Well it looks like we can check off a few questions on that list I posted. :wo

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Are you going to update the list with all the new questions after last nights episode? Good lord, that was painful.

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No....gawd it was difficult enough to copy and paste it all over..

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I'm not. I liked the Juliette character at first, but she just became so stagnant and 2-dimensional. I'm glad to see that the actress can express more than two emotions now that she's in V.

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I do not think so. I think that Sayid is being set up to become a savior, and possibly to be some sort of envoy or vessel for Jacob's rebirth. At the moment, he's still Sayid.

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I hate this show, but I love it at the same time. Drives me crazy every time I watch it.

I just hope that all the questions are finally answered about the island, and pretty much the entire show in general. None of this, Sopranos ending sh*t.

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+1

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Final season Episode 1

As always MY FRIEND collects info from interviews, blogs, message boards and conversations with other LOSTiacs.

1. I think I need to manage my expectations for this season. I thought that we would get all unanswered questions answered last night and then sail through the rest of the season on character development. Leave it to LOST to create a thousand more questions!

2. Items to ponder from the producers:

"...These little clues [might help you] extrapolate when the Island may have sunk. Start to think about it. A couple of episodes down the road, some of the characters might even discuss it. We will say this: season 6 is not about time travel. It's about the implications, the aftermath, and the causality of trying to change the past. But the idea of continuing to do paradoxical storytelling is not what we're interested in this year."

Flash-sideways... "When our characters posited the "What if?" scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we're embracing those things." Lindelof (producer) then explains the show has replaced the trademark "whoosh!" sound effect marking the segue between Island present story and flashbacks or flash-forwards, thus calling conspicuous attention to the relationship between the Island world and the Sideways world.
3. The Oceanic 815 flight:

* Desmond is on the plane! The book he was reading is Haroun and the Sea of Stories by Salman Rushdie. It's a story, set in a city so old and ruinous that it has forgotten its name, about a father who loses his ability to tell stories after his son questions what the point of fictional stories is. Then, the son embarks on a fantastic adventure concerning someone who wants to destroy the ocean using machines powered by electromagnetic induction. The boy returns home to tell his father of his amazing adventure and restores his father's faith in stories.

Desmond, season 2, "SEE YOU IN ANOTHER LIFE BROTHER"... yes you will! :)

* Jack ... on the original flight 815 Cindy had given him 2 bottles of liquor. Maybe she knows Jack won't be needing the other one to disinfect his side wound this time around...
* This time Rose was calm and Jack was nervous... opposite of last time.
* Hurley... no longer cursed.
* Sawyer... still a con man? Too soon to tell.
* Charlie... Examine Charlie's many deaths a little more closely, and they all have one thing in common: not breathing. Desmond saw him drown (once in a dream, once in reality), Ethan hangs him to asphyxiation, and we see a vision in which he gets shot in the throat with an arrow. Now, in this episode, Charlie's choking on a big bag of heroin. Whatever happened to kill Charlie must apparently happen again and again, in the same basic way, no matter where, when or what universe he happens to be in.
* Kate... Kate stole Jack's pen! Jack didn't have a pen in the "Pilot, Part 1" episode. Remember? Boone was trying to do CPR on Rose, Jack comes over to help her and sends Boone off to get a pen. He comes back with a bunch of different pens.
* Some original 815ers were not on the plane this time (Shannon, Michael, Walt). Frogurt (still an a-hole), Artz...
* From the producers... The temptation will be to dismiss the sideways story as ''What if...?'', but we should trust that we're being shown this story for a reason, and so we should take the leap of investing in its reality.
* Jack's nicked neck was similar to the moment when Jack excused himself to the jungle in the pilot episode to patch up the ugly gash on his side. One wonders if the entire season 6 sideways story line will model the general thematic thrust of the castaway story, but with different incidents and events - a gritty, more down-to-earth version of the mythic, larger-than-life Island epic, like how Dorothy's adventure in Oz was a fantastical extrapolation of her life in Kansas.

4. The Island:

* Everyone on the island is now in 2007. The plane we saw in tonight's episode is travelling in 2004. We know that it is 2007 for everyone on the island because when the guy at the temple shoots the flare Richard sees it (and he is still in the same place we saw him at the end of Season 5....on the beach with everyone else...again...in 2007).
* Juliet "it worked"... what does she know at death that we do not? She said "let's get coffee"... was her conscious travelling to the alternate reality where she and Sawyer meet in the outside world? Wherever Juliet now "is", she's totally aware of the reset.
* The group at the hatch said that they were back at the hatch after Desmond blew it up. If you recall back from season 2, when they destroyed the Swan hatch equipment, time ran out, and everything metallic in the hatch was pulled to that spot, then Desmond inserted the fail safe key, and blew it up to stop it. It's as though Jughead never exploded when Juliette hit it with a rock....
* Theory: Are we going to see the 2004 real world people back on a plane again sometime soon? Jack will need to go back to Australia to find his father's coffin, Locke will have to go back and find his knives, Kate may have to go back for some reason, Claire gave up her baby in LA and will be on her way back to Australia, Charlie will be deported back to Australia, Hurley will have to go check on his Chicken Shack business etc...etc...etc... Maybe that is how they will catch up to where they are now on the island??? I don't know.

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5. The Temple:

* Hurley picked up a book in the Temple tunnel by Søren Kierkegaard titled Fear and Trembling. This book challenges true believers to embrace the absurdity of faith. The book takes its title from a Bible quote, "Try to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Kierkegaard wrote the book under a pseudonym: Johannes de silentio - John The Silent. :(
* The guitar case... it's an ankh. We've seen it before... the statue holds one and Horace's wife had one which belonged to Paul. The symbol means eternal life. Jacob's lists have always been critical to LOST's story. Some theorize that the people listed by Jacob are the ones integral to the end game - without every single one of them, Jacob's final ending cannot be realized.
* We were told that the Dharma Initiative built the sonic fence to keep Smokey out, so we assumed he was on the side of the Hostiles/ Others. That does not seem to be the case, now. Why did Smokey become their enemy? What happened?
* Sayid coming back to life... we've always been told on this show that DEAD IS DEAD. So... ???

6. The Statue:

* Bram was impaled. The guy with the Dracula writer's name got a vampire death.
* Maybe now that Jacob is dead Richard will start aging? Flocke (fake Locke) says to Richard "Nice to you see you out of chains"... was Richard a slave on the Black Rock or was Flocke referring to Jacob's authority over Richard? Probably both.
* Ashes... from the episode "The Man Behind the Curtain" were the ashes around Jacob's cabin to protect Jacob who was allegedly inside or keep Flocke/ Smokey inside as a prisoner? Perhaps when the man inside the cabin said "Help Me" to Real Locke, he was manipulating Locke to help him escape. The first of the man times he uses Locke.

7. Remember when:

* When dripping wet, backwards talking Walt appeared in the jungle... does that now seem to suggest that he was coming from an alternative time line... The Sunken Island time line... to give the warning?
* So, season 2, after Walt is taken and Sawyer is shot, Sawyer's in the hatch with a fever. He says in his sleep "I loved her." Later, he grabs Kate and says "Why'd you kill me?" Perhaps he is speaking from a different time line that coincided with that one? Maybe when he said "I loved her" he was speaking of Juliet, and when he asked "why'd you kill me?" he was thinking of how Kate kills him... in the alternate reality we are now seeing in 2004???
* Richard told Sun that he saw the 1977 Losties all die? Will that ever be further explained or did he just see one of the realities in this whole mess?


8. A theory:

* From Doc Jensen, I believe. I thought this was interesting "The Island: the original and purest expression of the God idea, of God power. These ruins? The remains of those zealots who've attempted to claim, name, and tame this place over the centuries - those people the Man In Black spoke of last year: ''They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.''"

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Back in the beginning of the show (somewhere between the beginning of Season 1 and the end of Season 2, I forget when exactly), the producers promised not to cop out or do cheesy $h*t like that. So far (although they have warped reality in interesting ways), they have kept to their word :pi

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The writers have a ton of questions to answer, hopefully they start doing that soon and don't try to cram it into the last couple of episodes.

So I wonder what the letter in the guitar case really said. Did it say to kill Sayid so Jacob could take over his body to get revenge? If so, how did Jacob know he would die when he gave the guitar case to Hurley?

I love this show!! :D

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No way. The Others in the temple were legitimately surprised when Hurley told them that Jacob was dead. If the letter said anything about Jacob's death or return, they would have had that reaction (the scramble to get the defenses up) immediately.

It stands to reason that they did not intend to kill Sayid. They warned Jack that there would be risks in doing this, since the spring water was no longer clear (and, apparently, did not immediately heal the cut on the Japanese man's hand). They did what they were supposed to do and it did not work immediately. I'd like to believe that the spring water had enough power to heal Sayid but not enough to do it quickly; and so, the water kept Sayid's brain alive while it healed the rest of his body. His outward signs of life were gone, but he wasn't quite dead yet. Then again, what was the Japanese man sensing when he put his hand over Sayid's face and passed it down over his chest? And, did Miles sense that Sayid was or was not dead?

I'm looking forward to an awesome season :D

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^ is Sayid going to go 'Pet Cemetary' on 'em?

I love this show, totally addicted and have no idea how I missed this thread last year!

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Good points. I re-watched the episode and realized that Miles did sense something. I think he knew that Sayid was still alive...

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I have a feeling the letter in the guitar box was a list of people, like a manifest, that would help solidify Jacob's intent and Jack, Sayid, Kate, Hugo's purpose there to the Other Others :D

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Thanks again, Bao!! This is the only show that has me thinking hours later. Looking forward to a great final season.

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Read this. :)

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I woke up this morning with a thought:

Before Richard took young Ben Linus to the Temple to heal him, he warned that healing him would remove his memory (at least some of it) and he would be forever "one of them." I've been curious as to what this "one of them" is all about, but I just happened to think: How much has Sayid's memory been affected? I look forward to seeing in tonight's episode (which I will get to watch tomorrow) what the heck is going on with Sayid.

Perhaps this is what Ben has meant all along when he said that he was "born on the island."

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I also had a thought strike me last night:

From what we've been shown of the Temple previously (that is to say, the area underneath the outer walls that surround the Temple), we've been lead to believe that the Temple is either where the smoke monster lives or is under the protection of the smoke monster, or something along those lines. Yet when the Others inside the Temple found out about Jacob's death, they immediately went into "lockdown mode" and made a point to draw a barrier of ash about their Temple's inner walls.

We saw the same ring of ash encircling Jacob's cabin, and every time we saw this ash we were also shown a gap in the ash. Ilana and her crew pointed out that this meant that Jacob had not been in that cabin for some time (which, now makes me wonder if it's been the smoke monster who's been leading everyone on the island along, especially Locke, with visions of dead people). The reason for this ash was shown to us when the smoke monster attacked Brahm and the others: Apparently, Smokey can't cross that barrier.

Now, my question: If Smokey had been so near the Temple for so long, why wasn't there an ashen barrier in place to begin with? What was keeping him out of the Temple? What power does (did) Jacob have to keep Smokey at bay? If Jacob's cabin needed to be protected by ash, was his room "in the shadow of the statue" any different?

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I think it's quite clear after last week's episode that John Locke (or at least current living Locke) is also the smoke monster. Smokey/Locke is also the same guy that's sitting on the beach with Jacob in last season's finale watching Black Rock find the island.

Apparently, there are "rules" involved in the interaction between Jacob and Smokey/Locke/man in black. At least that's what they say in one recent episode. One of these rules is that Smokey/Locke/MIB cannot kill Jacob which is why he had to get Ben to kill him. So, I guess Jacob never really needed any protection from Smokey.

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I'm all caught up now!!!:tu

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Sucks with this whole living apart from my wife thing while she's working up North. She leaves on Tuesday nights so I have to wait until the weekend to watch Lost with her :r

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I've thought for some time that "Smokey" may have been trapped inside of Jacob's cabin, BY THE ASH. Perhaps he was confined to the cabin. ???

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That was never in question. :) But my references and questions stem from the time in the show when we only knew him as the smoke monster.


This is true; there are some interesting rules governing the interaction of Jacob and Smokey. Although Jacob (apparently) cannot be killed by Smokey, Jacob's cabin still needed to be protected by a ring of ash. We also know that Jacob's cabin (apparently) isn't always visible and isn't always in the same place, so perhaps that was an added security measure. Even so, what was protecting Jacob's shelter under Taweret, and what was protecting the Temple when they did not ring the inner walls with ash? This was not explained, so I think it's something more than simple "rules" about "killing Jacob." Remember that Smokey (as Locke) had to be taken to Jacob by Richard; he did not know where Jacob was and could not find Jacob on his own.

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I actually thought, for some time, that Jacob was malevolent and was trapped in the cabin by the ash. It seems that things are the other way around. Then again, we're being told that Smokey is evil by the followers of Jacob. "No man is evil in his own mind"-type of scenario.

And now that I think about it, we've heard Ben (and maybe others?) refer to Smokey as a defense system designed to protect the Temple. I wonder what that's about...

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So, Claire is alive and on the island. This makes a lot of sense, since she seemed to just vanish into thin air. I'm looking forward to an explanation.

What Dogen said about Claire and Sayid in this episode does give a bit more credence to a theory that started forming during last season's finale: When Ilana went to Jacob's cabin and noticed the break in the ashen barrier, she said that Jacob had not been there for quite some time. We saw the same break when Ben took Locke to the cabin in season 3 (The Man Behind The Curtain). If Jacob wasn't in there, who was? Smokey (the smoke monster, the man in black). I think that every dead/missing person that's appeared to our heroes (Christian Shephard multiple times, Claire with Christian saying that she was safe or "home" or something, Walt when Locke had been shot and was in that mass grave, ...) has been Smokey. When Ben went under the Temple walls and fell through the floor and met up with Smokey, we saw that Smokey does have the ability to produce the image of dead persons (Ben's "daughter" told him to follow "Locke").

There are two problems with this theory. 1) Where is Christian Shephard's body? His casket was discovered on the island, but his body was missing. I'd rather there not be a mundane explanation for this. Also, in the "flash sideways" in the season premiere, Oceanic said that his coffin was not on the plane. 2) This theory does not explain Christian's appearance to Jack after Jack left the island.

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Does anyone think that Jacob's order to Hurley to take Sayid to the Temple is in some way leading to Jacob being "reincarnated" in Sayid's body? It happened to Locke somehow with Jacob's nemesis, and I am guessing that Jacob will use same trick now to get back at the Man in Black.

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Well, it appears that Locke is very dead (on the island) and that the nemesis is simply taking the form of Locke in order to use his pull and gain Richard's trust (obedience?) in order to get an audience with Jacob.

I don't think that Jacob has set up Sayid to be his new body; I had entertained that thought prior to this most recent episode, but what Dogen said about Sayid being "claimed" makes me think otherwise. I do, however, think that Sayid is being set up to be some sort of savior for the island, and he may well end up being an envoy of Jacob's return.

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Well, claimed could mean a number of things, another person taking over th body is one of them, IMO. Also, Sayid has the military training that may be required to confront the "new" Locke.

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I don't think finding Jacob was a problem for smokey. I think he was just trying to maintain the illusion that he was Locke by pretending not to know where Jacob was. He had to keep everyone convinced he was Locke so that no one would warn Jacob and so that Ben could be convinced to kill Jacob.

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Missed this from last week: In the airport Sun is called Ms. Paik, rather than Mrs. Kwan, by the security guards and Jin doesn't appear to have a wedding band on.
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Final Season Episode 2


1. Sayid's torture:

* What if the pill was just a test for Jack to see if he would do the right thing for his friends and not put Sayid in harms way again? After all, Dogen said "here is your chance to redeem yourself." (I don't actually believe this as I think Dogen is just playing on Jack's guilt, that his actions continue to get people hurt, to get Sayid to take the pill, but thought it was an interesting theory)
* The ash test? To see if Smokey has taken over Sayid? What about the electricity (or was it sonic like the Otherville fence?) and hot poker?
* Think about how Sayid cried/ moaned/ pleaded while he was tortured. The old torturer-Sayid would have maintained composure (like when Rousseau tortured him). This is not our beloved Sayid.
* Sayid's only frame of reference for his experience with Dogen was one he knew from his past: torture. He told Dogen that he had no information to share, nothing that he was hiding. Was that the ''tell'' Dogen was looking for? Remember last season, when Richard indicated that one of the side effects of the healing water at the Temple was forgetfulness. Maybe Sayid remembers too much; maybe if the spring had worked, he wouldn't have processed his experience through the lens of his old, damned life. Regardless: Sayid said "failed."
* Sawyer's comment about Sayid being allowed a second chance, insinuating that Juliet wasn't allowed one but would have been more deserving of it... maybe the Island was done with Juliet, she reconciled her past and was allowed to move on, but maybe Sayid has more to do, like Michael. Michael couldn't die until the island was done with him.


2. The flash-sideways:

* Some events seem fated to happen whether on the island or in this alternate reality:

• o Ethan Rom/Goodspeed being involved with Claire pregnancy and the birth of Aaron ("I don't want to stick you with needles if I don't have to." Yeah, we've heard THAT before! Literally.)
• Kate being there/helping to deliver Aaron.
• Aaron being cared for by Claire, not given away.
• Kate becoming friends with Claire.

* Kate looks out the taxi window and sees Jack. They share a lengthy glance that tells us she clearly remembers him from more than just their run-in in the airplane bathroom.
* The mother who was supposed to adopt Aaron (Lindsey Baskum) was similar to pre-island Claire. Same back story! (Or at least the Island-Claire back story.) FLASHBACK to season 1 episode ''Raised By Another.'' Claire got pregnant and was initially wary of being a young mom, but Boyfriend Thomas was all ''We can do this!'', which got Claire all psyched to have the baby. Then Boyfriend Thomas got cold feet and dumped her, and Claire decided to give the baby up for adoption.
* Kate gave the alias Joan Hart when checking Claire in to the hospital. FLASHBACK to season 1 episode ''Born To Run,'' in which Kate - sporting dyed blonde hair - used the Joan Hart alias to check into a motel, then sneak into a hospital to visit her dying mother. This was also the episode where Kate and her childhood friend dug up the time capsule (inside: toy airplane, baseball), as well as the episode where Kate and Sun conspired to poison Jin so that he wouldn't leave the Island on the raft. We saw all those beats mirrored and referenced in last night's episode (hospital visit, poisoning, baseball, Sawyer's time capsule/ box).
* The stuffed whale in Claire's luggage. In the original island time line... it was Kate who gave Aaron that killer whale in season 4 episode ''Something Nice Back Home."

3. Infected/ darkness:

* If Claire (Jack's half-sister) is "infected" with the "darkness" and now looks Rousseau-ish, does this mean it's possible it was Rousseau who was infected, and not her team?
* Remember Season 4 finale when the mercenaries blew up some Dharmaville houses, Claire luckily survives such an explosion and a few minutes later meets Miles. Claire says something like "Wow, we're lucky to be alive!" and Miles answers something like: "I wouldn't be too sure." Maybe Claire was already dead and taken over by the sickness (as Miles seemed to notice there something was different with her or at the very least he looked at her suspiciously).
* When Ben and the Others used a poison gas attack on the Dharma compound during The Purge, perhaps they were actually preventing the "darkness" from spreading to the rest of the island, as the "darkness" had already claimed the Dharma encampment???
o Also, Daniel and Charlotte prevented a large amount of poison gas from being released by Ben at The Tempest. Perhaps Ben had anticipated that the "darkness" had already spread to some of the inhabitants?
* How did Sayid catch the sickness? We've known his whereabouts almost the entire time he's been back on the island, and he never encountered the Smoke Monster. I guess going into the Spring/ healing pool could have something to do with it (on account of the water being murky), but Dogen and a couple Others went in there, too, and I'm assuming they're not sick.

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4. The Others:

* The Other who accompanied Kate is Aldo, guard from Room 23 (where Karl was brainwashed). Apparently he's been holding a grudge against Kate for knocking him unconscious three years ago.
* Deciphering the Others' hierarchy has been a goal of Lost fans ever since Benry Gale claimed that bearded Tom was not the leader. That was four seasons ago. One would think we'd stop running into people claiming to be in charge of the Others by now.
Tom, Ms. Klugh and Isabel were possibilities a long time ago. Stronger contenders included Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawking, Benjamin Linus and John Locke, who have all claimed to be the leader. And when finally it's looking like the guy with the real authority has been Richard Alpert (on Jacob's behalf) all along, Dogen appears. We need to see an Other org chart.
* Dogen's techniques were reminiscent of the scene at the Hydra Station (season 3), when Ben and Juliet tried to break Jack down and ''change his perspective'' in order to get him to save Ben's life by removing that tumor on his spine. The Others would like you to think they believe in free will (see: Lennon praising Jack this week for voluntarily coming to them), but it's a rigged game; they have no problem with telling half-truths, outright lies, or just plain nothing to get you to do what they want you to do. Which is interesting. The Others manipulate our Losties but make them think everything is their own idea. How can Jacob profess the benefits of free will if he and his group of Others have been guiding/ nudging/ guilting the Losties into doing things all along!? Technically, that's not free will.
* Notice how Aldo won't let Justin tell Jin about the Ajira flight. The Others seem to be prohibited from sharing info with the Losties because doing so might tamper with them in some way - as if it's absolutely necessary that the castaways either discover stuff on their own, or are denied info that they don't need to know, or don't need to know yet.
* Justin's cryptic last words to Aldo regarding Jin also seemed important: "He might be one of them." We already know Jin is on Jacob's list, and both Aldo and Justin should know it too. So what else does "one of them" mean? Is there an ultimate purpose these people need to stay alive in order to accomplish? Seems like it. Might be nice if someone shared that with them, though.
* Think back to season two, where Ms. Klugh was asking Michael to lure four of his friends to The Others' encampment. "Why don't you just get them yourselves?" Michael had asked her, to which Klugh replied "It doesn't work that way, Michael". The Others could've taken these people by force any time that they wanted, but for some reason they didn't. They even had three out of four of them at gunpoint, on the day Tom/ Mr. Friendly drew a line in the sand. Yet somehow, for some reason, they needed these people to come on their own. Just like Jack did this week.
* Now think back to season three, where Ben was trying to convince Jack to do his spinal surgery. "You want me to save your life?" Jack had asked him incredulously. "No", Ben responded. "I want you to want to save my life."
* A good theory! "Not only do the temple-dwellers need Sayid to effectively kill himself, but they need Jack to act as the accomplice. You could argue that Dogen used Jack because Sayid inherently trusts him, but that's not the sole reason. Jack, and Jack alone, must be the person who gets Sayid to take the poison. And the reason for this is simple: Jack must clean up his own mess.

Go back to last episode. Right before they dipped Sayid in the spring, Dogen says "Who did this to him?" Jack steps up and claims responsibility. "My fault. I didn't shoot him, but it's my fault." This seemed pretty out of place back then, but Dogen puts the same question to Jack right now. He asks again how Sayid got shot, and Jack tells him what happened. "So, he was helping you?", Dogen asks, very specifically. "Yes", Jack says again. And from here, two things become brutally obvious.

First, Jack has to be the one to give Sayid the pill. It can't be Hurley, it can't be Miles... because Jack was the person directly responsible, he must also be the one to clean up his own mess. This very line is used more than once in past seasons, and we've already seen the theory in action:

During season three, Ben tried to make Locke kill Anthony Cooper. He even made it seem as if it were some strange test he had to pass. The truth of the matter however, is that Ben couldn't kill Cooper for a much different reason: Ben wasn't the person who brought the man from Tallahassee to the island in the first place. He thought it was Locke, and therefore needed Locke to commit the murder. But Ben turned out to be wrong here, because it was actually Sawyer who had brought Cooper to the island - a manifestation of his intense desire to find the man responsible for the death of his parents. Even Locke realized this, when he somehow couldn't even bring himself to kill the man who had caused his paralysis. Instead, Locke lured Sawyer to the Black Rock, where he strangled Cooper."

5. Otherville:

* Sawyer in Otherville continuing to mourn Juliet. He even digs an engagement ring out the floorboards of his old house and, like Desmond in "Flashes Before Your Eyes", he chucks it into the ocean. I loved Kate's disappointment. It's like she always thought that Juliet was Sawyer's consolation prize for losing Kate, but Sawyer really loved Juilet and has no romantic feelings for Kate at all at this point. Hahahahaha! She followed him thinking they were going to be a team but he seems to want nothing to do with her. Again, hahahahahaha!

6. Although, for me it was a boring-ish episode one blogger had an interesting perspective: It was an episode about people trying to ditch burdensome, painful baggage (like Kate and her shackles, heartbroken Sawyer and his ring) - or learning to embrace it (like Claire and her baby; like Jack and his failures/ accountability).


7. A fun theory from the web:

"Opening scene of last year's finale:

MIB: It always ends the same. They come, they fight, they kill, they destroy. It always ends the same.

Jacob: Yes but it only ends once. Anything before that is progress.

Here's the thought: The alternate reality is just one itteration of many alts and Jacob and Smokey can experience all of them. Jacob has the ability to leave the island and choose which alt universe or dimension he enters. Each one ends the same. No matter what he does to try to bring people to the island to save humanity it always ends up failing. But every time there is progress.

THE ALT OF SEASON SIX IS THE FINAL PROGRESSION WHERIN THEY SUCCEED IN SAVING HUMANITY.

This also means that the version in which we are currently on island is one of the failures so all of those people in that reality are doomed to fail and humanity will be destroyed. But this brings a whole new meaning to "it worked".

In each dimension the incident is what creates the alt reality. The entire first five seasons are us seeing the itteration before the final itteration. The one that finally made success possible.

"IT WORKED" MEANS THEY ALL FINALLY GOT THEIR DESTINY RIGHT.

Rewatching LA X and when Rose says to Jack "It's ok. You can let go now." You could take that as, "You can give in to youre destiny. We got it right this time."

Jacob believed they were making progress. Meaning there was eventually something he was trying to get right. He did, but he didn't understand what was happening until after he died. He had to die and the island had to not exist at all during these people's lifetimes for them to get their destiny right. The final solution to Jacob's ultimate goal was to take himself and the island out of play."