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AD720 01-13-2010 02:43 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Something to think about (read "torture yourself about")

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...-to-expect.ars

GreekGodX 01-13-2010 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 718747)
:r:r:r
13 pages of Apple v. PC and now you are putting it off?
We'll kill you!:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IV2UuwHrU0

I enjoy the attention :)
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357 01-14-2010 07:57 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 718266)
Please tell me you mean January and not April. I can't wait until April :td

Gotta love Apple, 6-9 months behind and 2-3 times the price. :banger















flame away! :ss

Blueface 01-15-2010 06:56 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 720157)
Gotta love Apple, 6-9 months behind and 2-3 times the price. :banger















flame away! :ss

Clicky

(Disclaimer: No Mac's were harmed during the making of this post..........PC's that crashed are too many to count at this time)

Blueface 01-15-2010 10:28 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Curious....

Been so long since I used a PC for personal stuff.........

Do PC's now allow carefree, automatic scheduled or one touch manual, COMPLETE back up of your entire hardrive?
To include all programs and documents?
To include updating only changes since your last back up as opposed to having to copy all of it all over again?
To include allowing you to go back in time, at any given point, and retrieving any document you once had at that time, even if you have now deleted it, and restore it?

Time Machine does allow all of this.
Not sure why I need it since Macs don't seem to crash like PC's but nice to know I have it just in case.

Footbag 01-15-2010 10:36 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 720737)
Curious....

Been so long since I used a PC for personal stuff.........

Do PC's now allow carefree, automatic scheduled or one touch manual, COMPLETE back up of your entire hardrive?
To include all programs and documents?
To include updating only changes since your last back up as opposed to having to copy all of it all over again?
To include allowing you to go back in time, at any given point, and retrieving any document you once had at that time, even if you have now deleted it, and restore it?

Time Machine does allow all of this.
Not sure why I need it since Macs don't seem to crash like PC's but nice to know I have it just in case.

Yes... Windows 7 has this. Vista Did as well. If you have an FTP, you can do off-site backup also. You can sync a folder, the OS, or everything.

357 01-16-2010 05:23 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 720746)
Yes... Windows 7 has this. Vista Did as well. If you have an FTP, you can do off-site backup also. You can sync a folder, the OS, or everything.

Actually Windows NT had this in 1996.

Blueface 01-16-2010 05:57 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 722484)
Actually Windows NT had this in 1996.

I don't think so.
Not the way Time Machine does it.

T.G 01-16-2010 06:03 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/pictur...pictureid=3478

Footbag 01-17-2010 07:06 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 722484)
Actually Windows NT had this in 1996.

As I remember it NT had auto backup, but what Blueface is referring to is when your computer crashes or gives an error, it allows you to revert to the last good configuration.
Now that I think of it, I had an XP laptop that did this automatically as well, but it wasn't the OS. It was a program called step-back or something like that.

Blueface 01-17-2010 07:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Footbag (Post 722975)
Abut what Blueface is referring to is when your computer crashes or gives an error, it allows you to revert to the last good configuration.

Nope, that is not at all what I am referring to.

Time Machine is an automated or manual backup system for Mac that allows you to store all of your programs and documents onto another hardrive, such as a portable one, or a fixed second one. It can do it remotely via Time Capsule or by USB connection to the computer.
You can set it for daily, weekly, monthly or as I said, do it manually.
You can then enter Time Machine and view ANY of your backup dates and extract either all of its contents from that point in time or extract a specific file only.
Say I deleted a photo that I now wish I had. I can go to that specific point in Time Machine when it was there and pull it back into my current photos.

So, you have quite a bit of flexibility and aside from that, it is one touch or automatic and pulls EVERYTHING, including programs. It saves lots of time as it doesn't copy the entire hardrive each and every time. It only copies changes you have made since your last sync.

It is freaking carefree amazing backup and to say NT had that? No way.
I frankly don't think Windows 7 has that either but I am not sure and will take PC user's word.

Rabidsquirrel 01-17-2010 09:27 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
The same thing can be done in Windows, with a little motivation.

Blueface 01-17-2010 02:02 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel (Post 723078)
The same thing can be done in Windows, with a little motivation.

Meaning?

0002S 01-17-2010 03:01 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Dell Mini 9 Hackintosh - FTW

Best $259 and about 3.5 hrs of my time I ever spent.

Rabidsquirrel 01-17-2010 03:42 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 723476)
Meaning?

Get cronw, your favorite backup software, and an external drive.

Rabidsquirrel 01-17-2010 04:03 PM

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Doh, too late to edit. Just wanted to point out I'm not a fanboy of any OS. But of the above choices, I pick Linux.

Footbag 01-17-2010 05:37 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 723476)
Meaning?

Windows NT... You had to use task scheduler. Windows Vista and 7... Just set it up.

I did look it up and you can restore and backup just the changed files saving lots of time during the actual backup. It's in both Vista and 7.

JakeTheSnake 01-17-2010 05:56 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 718208)
I might have to buy a new car so the laptop purchase is being delayed for now.. Although I wouldn't mind apple throwing in the quad core into the macbook in the mean time :D

you should start an "american made VS import" thread,

or Ford VS Chevy etc!:D

JaKaacH 01-17-2010 07:01 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeTheSnake (Post 723724)
you should start an "american made VS import" thread,

or Ford VS Chevy etc!:D

That has already been mentioned in this thread, the choices are: Yugo or BMW.:D

357 01-18-2010 02:47 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 723016)
Nope, that is not at all what I am referring to.

Time Machine is an automated or manual backup system for Mac that allows you to store all of your programs and documents onto another hardrive, such as a portable one, or a fixed second one. It can do it remotely via Time Capsule or by USB connection to the computer.
You can set it for daily, weekly, monthly or as I said, do it manually.
You can then enter Time Machine and view ANY of your backup dates and extract either all of its contents from that point in time or extract a specific file only.
Say I deleted a photo that I now wish I had. I can go to that specific point in Time Machine when it was there and pull it back into my current photos.

So, you have quite a bit of flexibility and aside from that, it is one touch or automatic and pulls EVERYTHING, including programs. It saves lots of time as it doesn't copy the entire hardrive each and every time. It only copies changes you have made since your last sync.

It is freaking carefree amazing backup and to say NT had that? No way.
I frankly don't think Windows 7 has that either but I am not sure and will take PC user's word.

There are at least 100 ways to skin this cat. Windows 7 is pretty idiot proof concerning backups. In reality the best option is online storage. There are dozens of good companies out there that offer such services.

Windows NT 4.0 offered Full or Incremental automated backups. Full are complete, obviously, and incrementals simply grab things that have changed since the last backup. So, yes way back in 1996 this was possible. I've been working on PC/Server support since 1998 including Windows NT 4.0 so I have personal experience. Just not too many people back then had tape drives or CD Burners. As the media has become cheaper backups have become more realistic for home users.

Still online storage makes the most sense. You select the folders/files you want backed up to their service and whenever you're online it checks for changes and grabs them. Best part, they service providers keep them on servers in their datacenter that are backed up with enterprise level hardware/software. Most such companies keep encrypted copies at multiple locations (east coast/west coast) just in case of a disaster. You simply cannot get that level of security/reliability from a home made backup solution; at least not for the same price range. Best part is your data is accessible from anywhere should the need arise.

Rabidsquirrel 01-18-2010 05:06 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 724693)
In reality the best option is online storage. There are dozens of good companies out there that offer such services.

Yes, but if and only if you have at least one copy yourself.

shilala 01-19-2010 07:50 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel (Post 724868)
Yes, but if and only if you have at least one copy yourself.

I back all my stuff up to a 500 gig external and lose it all the time.
I should cloud the stuff. :tu

GreekGodX 01-19-2010 11:06 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeTheSnake (Post 723724)
you should start an "american made VS import" thread,

or Ford VS Chevy etc!:D

Luckily for everyone on here there won't be such thread. I got my car fixed at a price that was under my "if it is over X amount I'm buying a new car" limit.

1/27 I'm hoping for a quad core in the Macbook Pro. I think my laptop knows I'm looking for a replacement because this thing just seems to be getting worse daily.

goalie204 01-19-2010 11:33 AM

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I don't think 1/27 announcement will be quad cores, i think it will be tablets. Quad core should be by april.

AD720 01-19-2010 12:43 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 725894)
I don't think 1/27 announcement will be quad cores, i think it will be tablets. Quad core should be by april.

:tpd:

GreekGodX 01-19-2010 06:28 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 725894)
I don't think 1/27 announcement will be quad cores, i think it will be tablets. Quad core should be by april.

I hope you are very wrong. Did you see the article about the promotion to win an Apple macbook pro with a quadcore processor that was sent out but later changed to a HP laptop?? I can't wait until April for Apple to do that :mad: Maybe a cheap netbook to tide me over until then? :r

AD720 01-19-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 726412)
I hope you are very wrong. Did you see the article about the promotion to win an Apple macbook pro with a quadcore processor that was sent out but later changed to a HP laptop?? I can't wait until April for Apple to do that :mad: Maybe a cheap netbook to tide me over until then? :r

Like this?

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...9/SNC00094.jpg

:D

GreekGodX 01-20-2010 01:45 PM

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Yes :D Exactly like that!

AD720 01-20-2010 02:00 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 727302)
Yes :D Exactly like that!

It's a piece of cake. PM me for more info. :tu

357 02-02-2010 09:50 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
I love stirring the pot...

http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg

icehog3 02-02-2010 09:54 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 745169)
I love stirring the pot...

http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/nerds.jpg

mmblz 02-03-2010 07:21 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 745169)
I love stirring the pot...

http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg

:confused:

Makes no sense at all...

icehog3 02-03-2010 07:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmblz (Post 745472)
:confused:

Makes no sense at all...

That's why I said.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 745180)


mmblz 02-03-2010 07:36 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
tom, i think you should go back to that hairdo - change it up a little ;)

Blueface 02-03-2010 07:50 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 745483)
That's why I said.....

Man that movie was funny!

Blueface 02-03-2010 07:51 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 745169)
I love stirring the pot...

http://i.imgur.com/ion9W.jpg

Cello on or off?
American v. Japanese?
CC v. NC?
Aged v. Fresh?
Day v. Night?
Luxury v. Sports Car?
Hamburger v. Filet Mignon?
Cigarettes v. Cigars?

oh yeah, and Mac v. PC?

There will always be opinions. That is why there are options. Those on one side will piss at those on the other.
Note in that photo he is alone and note the contrast to the line to get into the Apple event.:r

Resipsa 02-03-2010 10:21 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Word on the street is Apple will announce a tablet running OS X , presumably the new mac pro, at the June event.

VirtualSmitty 02-03-2010 10:40 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 745676)
Word on the street is Apple will announce a tablet running OS X , presumably the new mac pro, at the June event.

Should have just done that in the first place.

Blueface 02-03-2010 11:25 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 745676)
Word on the street is Apple will announce a tablet running OS X , presumably the new mac pro, at the June event.

Rumor is more than just on the street.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...c.counterpart/
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/01...let-os-x-ipad/

357 02-04-2010 10:23 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 745180)

Hey, I resemble that remark!

357 02-04-2010 10:35 AM

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About the pic...

The site http://defectivebydesign.org speaks out about DRM.

What is DRM?
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm (long read)

Nutshell:
Big Media describe DRM as Digital Rights Management. However, since its purpose is to restrict you the user, it is more accurate to describe DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. DRM Technology can restricts users’ access to movies, music, literature and software, indeed all forms of digital data. Unfree software implementing DRM technology is simply a prison in which users can be put to deprive them of the rights that the law would otherwise allow them.

Big Media hope that DRM will deliver to them what their political lobbying to change copyright law never has: they aim to turn our every interaction with a published work into a transaction, abolishing fair use and the commons, and making copyright effectively last forever. They will say that you accepted DRM and willingly surrendered your rights. That you did so under duress, they will call irrelevant.



I'm not claiming Microsoft doesn't use DRM technology, however, I thought it was funny that this organization was protesting the launch of the iPAD based upon Apple's embracing of DRM technology in this product.

mmblz 02-04-2010 11:54 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
"no free software" is certainly not true of osx, and isn't even true on ipad/ipod
"no installing apps from the web" could be a reasonable statement about ipad/ipod only, but not apple (os x) in general
"no sharing music or books" and "we can remotely disable..." both refer to DRM restrictions on media - but you can purchase DRM-free mp3s on itunes...

so I stand by my :confused:

:)

Red 02-05-2010 08:17 AM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
apple!

AD720 02-06-2010 02:38 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 726412)
I hope you are very wrong. Did you see the article about the promotion to win an Apple macbook pro with a quadcore processor that was sent out but later changed to a HP laptop?? I can't wait until April for Apple to do that :mad: Maybe a cheap netbook to tide me over until then? :r


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...s_surface.html

GreekGodX 02-06-2010 04:13 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 749861)

NO WAY!! I hope it's soon :dr

JE3146 02-06-2010 04:37 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 749970)
NO WAY!! I hope it's soon :dr

I'll give you a peice of advice...

There's always going to be a 'next thing' when it comes to technology, and with the way technology is advancing, the time it takes to get the the 'next thing' is going to get shorter and shorter.

Just pick something :r It'll be outdated before you get it home regardless of what you buy. ;)

Footbag 02-06-2010 04:41 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 749861)

They are making a dual-core i7? Why bother?

The Mac Pro's are will have dual 6-core gulftowns(i7 980X). Now that's more my style.

AD720 02-06-2010 06:08 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JE3146 (Post 750004)
I'll give you a peice of advice...

There's always going to be a 'next thing' when it comes to technology, and with the way technology is advancing, the time it takes to get the the 'next thing' is going to get shorter and shorter.

Just pick something :r It'll be outdated before you get it home regardless of what you buy. ;)

Generally I agree with this but the Macbook Pro is late in it's product cycle. This is a time when it would behoove the buyer to wait a month or two.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro

GreekGodX 02-06-2010 09:13 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AD720 (Post 750141)
Generally I agree with this but the Macbook Pro is late in it's product cycle. This is a time when it would behoove the buyer to wait a month or two.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro

I agree. If you know the new one is coming out within the next 90 days, you should wait. Besides if I did just buy it now I'd be complaining about how I didn't wait when the new one comes out.

spectrrr 02-06-2010 09:43 PM

Re: Buying a new laptop- Apple?
 
advice for you folks regardless of wether you wait or not.

95% of you would be better off with a slightly faster dual core processor than a slightly slower quad for the same money. MOST programs don't know what to do with quad and you only end up using two cores anyway. Plus its more power and more heat :).

(I DO use the quad cores in my desktop quite frequently... but thats only because I'm a photoshop junkie.)


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