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elderboy02 11-23-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1482790)
I think any right-minded fan would. ;)

I would give him up, but we would need to get something decent. He sure does strike out a ton, but his OBP isn't that horrible.

chippewastud79 11-23-2011 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1482794)
Thom said I was giving away to much for the guy, but they're all scrubs to me.

3 players might be much for a pitcher coming off an injury, but one of them and a Single/Double A pitching prospect. I would like to see Heisey as a full-time player before he is a scrub. Stubbs is an over-hyped scrub. :tu

chippewastud79 11-23-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1482804)
I would give him up, but we would need to get something decent. He sure does strike out a ton, but his OBP isn't that horrible.

Take away his 50 walks he gets by not moving the bat and his OBP drops like a rock. He strikes out a ton, isn't as good in the field as they claim him to be and doesn't provide any boost in the leadoff that most of the league gets. :td

Starscream 11-23-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1482808)
3 players might be much for a pitcher coming off an injury, but one of them and a Single/Double A pitching prospect. I would like to see Heisey as a full-time player before he is a scrub. Stubbs is an over-hyped scrub. :tu

He's another Stubbs without the speed if you ask me. He could potentially hit 40 hrs in GABP, but he was on pace last year to strikeout as much as Stubbs (if he were allowed to play everyday).
It's a gamble for sure for a guy who's had arm trouble in the past, but it wouldn't hurt us in the outfield much. We'd still have Bruce in right, Alonso in left, and Rodriquez would get the call up to put in center.

Starscream 11-28-2011 07:51 AM

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According to BPs twitter account, he was in my town over the Thanksgiving holiday. What the heck he was doing in Laurinburg is beyond me.

elderboy02 11-28-2011 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1486012)
According to BPs twitter account, he was in my town over the Thanksgiving holiday. What the heck he was doing in Laurinburg is beyond me.

Maybe he heard you on the radio and wanted to meet you? :D

elderboy02 11-30-2011 09:42 PM

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My aunt won 2 tickets to Redsfest this weekend. Her and I will be going to it. Apparently we got some sort of VIP tickets and we get a private room with Jay Bruce so we don't have to wait in line to get his autograph. I went to Dick's and bought an official MLB ball in a case to get signed.

You guys have anything you want me to ask any of the Reds?

chippewastud79 12-01-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1488957)
My aunt won 2 tickets to Redsfest this weekend. Her and I will be going to it. Apparently we got some sort of VIP tickets and we get a private room with Jay Bruce so we don't have to wait in line to get his autograph. I went to Dick's and bought an official MLB ball in a case to get signed.

You guys have anything you want me to ask any of the Reds?

How does Drew Stubbs manage to be so terrible in the lead off spot? :sh

elderboy02 12-01-2011 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1489357)
How does Drew Stubbs manage to be so terrible in the lead off spot? :sh

Any other negative or positive things you want me to ask?

hotreds 12-01-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1489408)
Any other negative or positive things you want me to ask?

Positive????

elderboy02 12-01-2011 12:56 PM

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Should I ask Jay Bruce if he feels robbed that he didn't get a gold glove?

Starscream 12-01-2011 02:54 PM

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Enjoy it, Dan!:tu
How about "who's his favorite teammate?" or "who was his favorite player when he was growing up?".



In other news, Ramon Hernandez signed a deal with the Rockies.:tu

chippewastud79 12-01-2011 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1489441)
Should I ask Jay Bruce if he feels robbed that he didn't get a gold glove?

No. :2


I would ask questions more geared toward life outside of baseball rather than baseball related. Answering the same questions everyone asks him about the team and baseball likely gets repetitive. Ask him if he wants to come to a herf in January :tu

elderboy02 12-01-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1489540)
Enjoy it, Dan!:tu
How about "who's his favorite teammate?" or "who was his favorite player when he was growing up?".

In other news, Ramon Hernandez signed a deal with the Rockies.:tu

Thanks Andy! I am glad to see Hernandez go. Time for the young guys to play.

elderboy02 12-01-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1489673)
No. :2


I would ask questions more geared toward life outside of baseball rather than baseball related. Answering the same questions everyone asks him about the team and baseball likely gets repetitive. Ask him if he wants to come to a herf in January :tu

Thanks Adam. You bring up a good point. I would hate getting asked about the same stuff all the time.

chippewastud79 12-01-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1489770)
Thanks Adam. You bring up a good point. I would hate getting asked about the same stuff all the time.

He would likely humor anyone and say the company lines about the Reds, but it would be more interesting to talk about hobbies or cigars or guns. Heck, he is from Texas right? He probably likes guns and cigars. :tu

never_enough 12-01-2011 08:47 PM

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Go Reds! I didn't get to watch more than a few games this year. :td Being in the northeast sucks for being a bengals/reds fan.

hotreds 12-01-2011 09:20 PM

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Yeah- talk to him about seegars and tell him we herf at The Beer Sellar every month and to check out CA!

elderboy02 12-02-2011 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by never_enough (Post 1489803)
Go Reds! I didn't get to watch more than a few games this year. :td Being in the northeast sucks for being a bengals/reds fan.

Hello fellow Reds fan! :tu

Starscream 12-02-2011 08:12 AM

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That would be awesome if Bruce was a cigar smoker (but I kinda doubt it though).

Welcome aboard, Robert!:salute:

elderboy02 12-04-2011 08:13 AM

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Redsfest was packed! It was a good time though.

Here is a picture of my aunt and I with Jay Bruce. He was super friendly, shook my hand, and didn't come off as a jerk

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1407.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1408.jpg


George Foster:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1416.jpg


Dusty Baker:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1418.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1419.jpg

elderboy02 12-04-2011 08:14 AM

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I took this photo just for you Adam. I know Drew Stubbs your boy:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1399.jpg

Starscream 12-06-2011 09:38 AM

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Can't see the pics at work. I'll have to check it out when I get home. Glad you enjoyed it, Dan.:tu

Starscream 12-06-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1491827)
I took this photo just for you Adam. I know Drew Stubbs your boy:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z...1/IMG_1399.jpg

Stubbs and EV! The two greatest Reds to have ever played the game!:r

chippewastud79 12-06-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1494165)
Stubbs and EV! The two greatest Reds to have ever played the game!:r

Future Hall of Famers right there. :tu

elderboy02 12-06-2011 05:47 PM

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Heard on the radio that we may trade Volquez to the Rockies for Hueston.

I like it :tu

never_enough 12-06-2011 06:24 PM

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Damn, Redsfest looks fun!

Starscream 12-07-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1494341)
Heard on the radio that we may trade Volquez to the Rockies for Hueston.

I like it :tu

I'm hearing that that deal fell through. Street is too expensive. I'd rather go with someone we've already got than to pay out $8 million for him.

Starscream 12-07-2011 05:15 PM

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Question: How do you guys feel about the ownership of the Reds? Do you truly believe that Bob wants to bring winning baseball back to Cincinnati, or was that all a sham just to sell tickets? We had 2010, but last offseason and this offseason make me feel like we are getting intentionally shafted.

Bob is definitely not Mike Brown by any means, but I'm starting to wonder about him.

chippewastud79 12-07-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1495363)
Question: How do you guys feel about the ownership of the Reds? Do you truly believe that Bob wants to bring winning baseball back to Cincinnati, or was that all a sham just to sell tickets? We had 2010, but last offseason and this offseason make me feel like we are getting intentionally shafted.

Bob is definitely not Mike Brown by any means, but I'm starting to wonder about him.

It makes me wonder if they do aspire to compete in this division. Not making a move while the teams around them seem to make moves is pretty bad. The Reds were coming off their luckiest season in years and didn't do anything to improve the team. Now they are back to where they belonged the year before and don't seem to want to get back to the top. Luckily for them, the Cards and Brew Crew might be getting weaker if they both lose their first basemen. :hm


This could be the last year they can compete in this division, once Votto and Phillips find greener pastures. :2

Starscream 12-07-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1495373)
It makes me wonder if they do aspire to compete in this division. Not making a move while the teams around them seem to make moves is pretty bad. The Reds were coming off their luckiest season in years and didn't do anything to improve the team. Now they are back to where they belonged the year before and don't seem to want to get back to the top. Luckily for them, the Cards and Brew Crew might be getting weaker if they both lose their first basemen. :hm


This could be the last year they can compete in this division, once Votto and Phillips find greener pastures. :2

Exactly. We did nothing while the rest of the division made big trades at the deadline this past year. Walt seemed to just hope that those trades didn't pan out. Now in the offseason, all that's coming from Walt is that we will be good IF Pujols and Fielder move on. It seems as if this is the "sit on our hands" management and ownership lately. And if they don't make a big trade or some significant acquisition this year, guess who they will lay the blame on. Us because you and I (we the fans) didn't put enough @sses in seats this past season.

As for BP and Votto, I'm confident that we'll sign BP to a four year deal this offseason, but I'm afraid Votto will be gone after next year, and we'll have traded away his replacement for a bottom of the rotation pitcher.

elderboy02 12-07-2011 07:52 PM

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I think they are trying to win. I think they will make a lot of moves this off season since they didnt get very far last year. I think the owners thought they would be lucky again like they were the season before

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1495494)
I think they are trying to win. I think they will make a lot of moves this off season since they didnt get very far last year. I think the owners thought they would be lucky again like they were the season before

The problem is, the market for top-tier pitchers is too high (and they aren't all that great), relievers are sparse and the true prize free agents are at a position they don't need. They could have used Reyes, but he was at a steep price. :sh

Maybe now that Ramirez is upset about trying to move to 3B he would be open to come :hm

There were some pretty good players out there last year and teams in the Reds division improved while they stayed stagnant. And there certainly hasn't been much news about them making any 'blockbuster' moves this offseason. :td

The Reds can't put butts in seat if they don't win, the Marlins are making moves to try and fill their seats, even if they may not win with them. The Reds have the feeling of the Bengals in that they don't seem to put a ton of effort into winning, just the bottom line. :2

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1495441)

As for BP and Votto, I'm confident that we'll sign BP to a four year deal this offseason, but I'm afraid Votto will be gone after next year, and we'll have traded away his replacement for a bottom of the rotation pitcher.

If Votto leaves, they have no true #3 hitter on their roster and doesn't appear to have anyone waiting. Bruce is locked up, but he serves better as a 4-6 hitter and without someone infront/behind him he may struggle even more. :rolleyes:

Phillips would be nice to keep, but I think he really wants to play for a contender. Nothing worse than being an All-Star/Gold Glove winner on a bad team. :td

hotreds 12-08-2011 08:46 AM

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Looks like Albert will only bother them in the World Serious now.

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hotreds (Post 1495918)
Looks like Albert will only bother them in the World Serious now.

10 years - $250 million and a true no-trade clause. It would have been nice to see the Cardinals step up to the plate and make him a serious offer before the season, they balked, he walked. Works out well for Albert, given that he is signed thru age 41 and he can switch to the DH if he gets a little to creaky for 1B in the future. He can certainly be a contender for the AL MVP immediately, and is playing for an immediate contender. :2

Well, so far it is working out for the Reds, other teams in the division are getting weaker. Votto is a lock for the All-Star Game starter now that he is gone, and assuming Fielder goes to the AL. :tu

As an aside to this, the Cardinals now have a need at firstbase and Votto is an upcoming free agent. The Cardinals will certainly spend more money than the Reds to try to get him if they are players in the Votto-Derby if he will listen. :hm

Starscream 12-08-2011 09:01 AM

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Good news for Reds fans, but bad news for baseball in general. Pujols looks like a d0uche b/c of this. Whatever happened to loyalty to the fans and organization that made him? Pujols was set for life, but he traded it all for a couple more million dollars. I hope his numbers go in the tank, starting with this upcoming year.

elderboy02 12-08-2011 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1495945)
Good news for Reds fans, but bad news for baseball in general. Pujols looks like a d0uche b/c of this. Whatever happened to loyalty to the fans and organization that made him? Pujols was set for life, but he traded it all for a couple more million dollars. I hope his numbers go in the tank, starting with this upcoming year.

+1. I mean what the hell is a few million dollars when you are getting 200+ million already.

I am glad he is out of the division though :banger

criracer 12-08-2011 09:22 AM

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If It's only a few million more dollars then St. Louis should have came up with the money. I don't blame Pujols for taking the most money he can get.

But I agree it will be great to have him out of our division.

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1495945)
Good news for Reds fans, but bad news for baseball in general. Pujols looks like a d0uche b/c of this. Whatever happened to loyalty to the fans and organization that made him? Pujols was set for life, but he traded it all for a couple more million dollars. I hope his numbers go in the tank, starting with this upcoming year.

Will this be the same attitude if Votto peaces out after he is a FA? :hm

It looks like it might be about $50 million more money and the Angels are making some serious moves to be contenders immediately. :2

I really thought he was pretty willing to stay on the Cardinals, but they couldn't come up with the scratch and maybe there was something behind closed doors we missed. If they really wanted Pujols, they had many oppotunities in the last 2 years to take care of him, maybe he felt a bit unwanted there. :sh

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 09:24 AM

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The move also makes Fielder a huge target for the Cardinals :hm

Starscream 12-08-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1495976)
Will this be the same attitude if Votto peaces out after he is a FA? :hm

It's a bit different b/c Votto doesn't go around constantly saying that he wants to remain a Red. Plus, Votto hasn't been around like Pujols has in St. Louis and established his own dynasty. Pujols has mentioned MANY times that he wanted to be a Cardinal for life. Votto has pretty much been politically correct and vague everytime he is asked about the future. He's not leading the fans on like Pujols did.

chippewastud79 12-08-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1496105)
It's a bit different b/c Votto doesn't go around constantly saying that he wants to remain a Red. Plus, Votto hasn't been around like Pujols has in St. Louis and established his own dynasty. Pujols has mentioned MANY times that he wanted to be a Cardinal for life. Votto has pretty much been politically correct and vague everytime he is asked about the future. He's not leading the fans on like Pujols did.

Again, the Cardinals had the opportunity to step up to the plate, and they balked. They were hoping he would have a down season and bring his price down, he didn't and they wouldn't up their price. :bh

Two years ago he began asking for the huge long-term deal and they couldn't get it done. He wanted to sign before camp and the Cardinals left the same offer on the table for over a year without changing it. Its almost as if they were expecting him to walk without a fight, and they certainly didn't appear to put one up. :sh

~$198 million and ~$250-260 is a big difference, and the Cardinals couldn't match it. There is expected to be a loyalty from Pujols to them, but it apparently wasn't recipricated. :td

Starscream 12-08-2011 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1496242)
Again, the Cardinals had the opportunity to step up to the plate, and they balked. They were hoping he would have a down season and bring his price down, he didn't and they wouldn't up their price. :bh

Two years ago he began asking for the huge long-term deal and they couldn't get it done. He wanted to sign before camp and the Cardinals left the same offer on the table for over a year without changing it. Its almost as if they were expecting him to walk without a fight, and they certainly didn't appear to put one up. :sh

~$198 million and ~$250-260 is a big difference, and the Cardinals couldn't match it. There is expected to be a loyalty from Pujols to them, but it apparently wasn't recipricated. :td

What he was asking for, and what he just got are to me unreasonable and outrageous for any team to pay out w/ the exception of NY, Boston, and maybe Philly. The Angels are going to really feel the burden of this deal about five years down the road, just like the Reds did with Griffey in his last few years. STL put their maximum dollar that they would be willing to pay, which was going to hurt them down the road if he accepted it just b/c they wanted to keep the fans happy. If the going rate was a billion dollars for Pujols and the Cardinals couldn't match that, would that still make them not loyal to him? $200 million for 9 or 10 years is beyond reasonable and is more than fair to him. He kept telling the fans that he wanted to remain in STL, but this was obviously not the case. If you sign a contract for ten years, then you sign for less money per year.

I've always supported and stood behind the MLB, even during the strike in '94, but the money deal is seriously starting to turn me off to the sport.

Starscream 12-08-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1495979)
The move also makes Fielder a huge target for the Cardinals :hm

And it probably just drove up Fielder's asking price.

Starscream 12-14-2011 02:54 PM

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I'm starting to think Walt Jocketty is a liar. He said they had big plans for the offseason, but so far they haven't even managed to get a top of the rotation pitcher.
Dmitri Young and a no name local pitcher...:td

chippewastud79 12-14-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1502271)
I'm starting to think Walt Jocketty is a liar. He said they had big plans for the offseason, but so far they haven't even managed to get a top of the rotation pitcher.
Dmitri Young and a no name local pitcher...:td

Isn't Dmitri Young like 37 and just like Drew Stubbs? All or nothing?:rolleyes:

Starscream 12-14-2011 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1502420)
Isn't Dmitri Young like 37 and just like Drew Stubbs? All or nothing?:rolleyes:

He's supposedly lost 70 lbs, but that's not gonna revive his career at 37.

elderboy02 12-14-2011 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Starscream (Post 1502431)
He's supposedly lost 70 lbs, but that's not gonna revive his career at 37.

I loved Dimitri Young when he was with the Reds a zillion years ago. Now, not so much.

Starscream 12-16-2011 05:17 PM

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Looks like Shields is now out of our price range. Not necessarily bad news, b/c I didn't think he'd be a good fit at GABP due to the fact that he gives up a lot of hits and HRs. But the bad news is it looks like this sets the tone that Jocketty won't get anything significant done this offseason.


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