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To me the window for this team is next year and next year only, unless something changes. Votto is gone, Phillips might be, Rollen isn't getting any younger, Bruce is at a crossroads in his young career (he will either digress or become a consistent all-the-time player), Janish has to either decide he wants to be a back up or trade his ass, Cozart has to develop into the SS they so desperately need, they have to convince BP to stay in the leadoff and need some bullpen help which is soon to be sans closer (which could be a good thing). Jocketty has to make a move to improve this team in the off-season, a true leadoff would go a long way, closer is a must, still no answer in LF and getting some consistent hitters to surround Votto would make them a much better team. :2
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To be honest, I'm a bit of a realist, so when I see us being an above .500 team, then I'm happy. Other fans aren't happy unless their team wins the championship or at least makes the playoffs. When we don't make the playoffs, it hurts a bit, but if we play above .500, then I'm good at this point. 2012 above .500 and if we play our contracts right (maybe Votto with a one year deal and re-sign BP) then it's possible we make a championship run in 2013, but I'm not getting my hopes up. |
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The reality is, this is the same team as last year, in which the division was absolutely garbage and they found a way to sneak out wins against bad teams. This year they played a tougher schedule (albeit not much) and will likely end up where they should have last season. Overachieving got them to the playoffs and the Phillies exposed them to be the team they should have been all year. ;s .500 is a lofty goal now considering those in the area (and even some nationally) had them as the sexy favorite to win the division again, despite not making an upgrade in the off season like the Brewer did and still didn't have a better team than the Cardinals. The Cards lost their ace before the season and as of yet, they still can't pass them. :rolleyes: Until they can put a team on the field that is superior to the Cards and Brewers, the luck factor can only win them so many games. Heck there have been 10+ games they were lucky to win this season that they should have lost. :sh |
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I think its frustrating that the majority of the fans in Cincinnati walk around with Rose (only pun slightly intended) colored glasses on. Is the team exactly where they should expect to be? YES! They weren't the team they were hyped up to be all pre-season, they were the team they were in the pre-season, they had some really strong spots (Votto, BP, etc) but they have these "up and comers" that don't pan out that should be the "second coming" according to listen to the propoganda spewed by the commentators and the sports talk shows in the area... when someone calls them out, the whole city gets defensive... i.e. Cowherd last year... saying that the Reds had no business in the playoffs, the city went crazy... and then they get thumped because they were in no way the better team, they just happened to get lucky and were in a TERRIBLE division (hey icehogs' Cubs, whats up?). I just wish the city would realize we have one team performing at .500 level and another that probably won't win a game this season and stop thinking we have such strong teams. |
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But the second half has been Heisey, Frazier, Sappelt, and Alonso. These guys haven't been much, but we've won games with them and have worked back to above .500. Really, other than Cozart and Alonso, the prospects haven't shown much (with Alonso still to be determined), but we've made do with them and it has been a completely different dynamic the second half. We can actually win two games in a row at this point.:r |
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Cubs are pitiful, Steve. With the exception of Starling Castro and Darwin Barney, they have little to be excited about at this point. Over the hill, over-paid "sluggers", mentally unstable pitchers and a minor league manager. If I wasn't a Tigers fan I would be watching bowling right now.
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At times when I'm listening to Marty, I think I'm watching/listening to Bob Uecker in Major League.:r |
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Too bad the Tigers are in such a crappy division too...or maybe a good thing. I think they will have trouble in the playoffs...unless Verlander can pitch 11 games in a row. :r |
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Ramirez just ended a 16 game hitting streak. He's a power guy and has a good average. I'd take him anyday. Byrd will make a comeback. Kinda like Bagwell getting hit on the hand twice. Took a bit, but he came back. Same for NASCAR racers and the "big one". They get in the big wreck and they're shakey for a while before they get their confidence back. It'll happen. |
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I will admit that I'm a Brantley homer. This guy is awesome and should be a pro wrestling commentator in the offseason. |
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Sounds like Aramis wants to stay in Chicago (I dunno why, LOL). Now they need to fix their middle relief. |
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This is the best Reds debate/discussion we've had on here in two years. I wish this would happen more often in here.
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I absolutely agree with some homerism makes it feel good, but when thats all that comes down, it grinds the conversation to a halt... I LOVE the Marty/Cowboy combo, its refreshing to hear guys that are willing to take shots at the team when they underperform. I agree it doesnt make sense for the division to have 6 teams, but "inflating" the record with the Stros... didn't the Reds just get swept by them??? |
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The division is ridiculous, they should shuffle the NL and give the Central some better teams. :D Problem being that the Reds will fall even further. I don't know who you cut out to put into the AL. Being in the weakest division certainly improves the Reds chances every season, but last year was the first time they have taken advantage of it in the last 20 years. :rolleyes: |
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Houston would be the team to go. They are the furthest west team. They could go to the NL West and move Arizona to the AL West. That way the divisions would be evened out. True, it would hurt us in the long run, but then it would be a bit more fair all around. If Milwaukee didn't switch leagues on us, then everything would be ok, but it is what it is. |
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I think that it might take strengthening the division to make real progress with the reds... if they think they can float in the division, they don't have to work harder because they think they can get into the playoffs with a mediocre team...
However, if they turned into the O's, who routinely get laughed out of their division, I think the Reds would bust their ass to get back into the division... of course I could be wrong.... 13 behind... |
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I believe in being passionate about your teams....for me, that means the Blackhawks (NHL) over most, but I also have love for my MLB, NFL and college FB teams. But being a passionate fan doesn't mean being blind....if you can't be objective about your team, your opinions will likely be irrelevant in a frank discussion about same. Thanks for indulging me here even though the Reds aren't my team. :tu
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I too love Jeff Brantley. He is absolutely hillarious with his stories, but is also very smart about baseball. Andy, I agree that he has tremendous baseball knowledge. I think he would be a great pitching coach.
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But like you said, he has no interest in coaching. Still, I'd love it though. |
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If he were the pitching coach, all our pitchers would have pot-bellies due to all the all you can eat rib fests that he would hold. Ribs and ice cream at Cowboy's house after every home game!
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And no, I DON'T want Joe Morgan as my next manager... how about we get someone that has proven they actually know what the F*$# they're doing rather than some dude you want to have nostalgic buttsex with.... |
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I've heard of the site, but never checked it out. I thought it was just to get him and Jon Miller off the air from Sunday Night Baseball. |
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Thankfully the Phillies were in town so they didn't get blacked out. I still can't believe that the score keeper in Cincinnati is so bad. Ruled Phillips hit a 'Triple'. I have never seen more balls that are off of outfielder gloves been ruled hits than in Cincinnati. :td
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Phillies caught stealing signs. Bastrads! Good job by Hanigan to catch it, but he should've told Bailey to put the ball in someone's ear.
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It might be a little bush league, but it happens at every level of baseball. Hell, little leaguers point to where the catcher sets up. In the end knowing where the pitcher is set up helps you about as much as a corked bat, you still have to hit the ball. :2 |
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Joe Morgan will never manage the Reds. Why would he trade in what he has now to live in hotels and be on the road all the time. I think he is staying put :tu
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