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Your membership does include cigars. Pete confirms it on the site, and from the sound of it, the people who told you that it would be a mix of regular production, limited edition, and prototypes got it right.
At the end of the day, you have to decide if it's worth it to you. For me it was. YMMV. What I don't understand is why people feel the need to bash those who find value in it or Pete for giving his fans what many of them asked for. |
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And now we can all bow our heads with great respect and
genuflect genuflect genuflect. :=: |
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After much back & forth (with myself) I came to a very sound decision based on one thing - You only live once.
I'm now #152. For those doing the math - with me signed up at 152 (x$150) that is $22,800 made in a couple days for Pete! (minus his costs of course) would it be fun to see a running income total on this or not?? - :confused: M |
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I'm on the fence. Normally, I'd be all over this, but I have plenty to smoke and not smoking as many NCs these days. Plus I'd hate to smoke one stick, love it, and not have any more, or any other chance of getting more.
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I'm basing this on a fellow (manufacturer) I spoke on the phone with who let slip that they sell to retailers at about 50% of what's charged. This was on a particular stick, but still, I would think around 11K of that is profit. But, he would have to pay for web programming as well. Shipping, etc. So, maybe less...I guess he's not making half profit, but he (or anyone for that matter) is not in business to break even. M |
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I'm number 166 since you want to keep track, M. I shifted some funds around so I could sign up. I'm sure the sticks will be worth it. I had the option of a XXXL tee, and swag tees are usually XXL at best. The hat is kinda nifty. The rest of the swag aint bad neither.
Yes, $150 could buy a box of... something. They would all be the same something, and it would likely not be the same opportunity. As for the donation thing, PJ has already done two years of the Verite thing as charity, and has a lot of respect for the Fuentes which donate a lot to charity. I'm sure it will be a worthwhile cut to charity. Another thing I noticed when signing up is that they ask for your country, mention international shipping through USPS int. flat rate, and the shipping is free. IDK if this will hold up for my international BOTL here, but $150 USD is a steal for some Tats shipped free over seas considering that shipping is pricey across the pond, and I think it's more difficult and expensive to get NCs over there anyway. IDK how all that works, but it's a thought. |
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I'm still debating about signing up but its very tempting, no matter what the haters say.
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Still a toss up for me at this point.
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I posted on Petes wall and he did confirm that it includes 15 sticks. Trying to shift some funds around as 15 Tats is worth the coin plus I look at the other stuff to be a bonus although the only thing it the pack besides the cigars that I would probably like having is the tee and hat as I am a cigar tee ho.
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I am grateful for sinners and saints. It is at this point that I can say that I am through chasing hard to finds. There are too many normal production Tats to enjoy if the quality doesn't start to slip because all the extra effort being put into the blending and production of these HTFs. There are just too many Pepin blends, Cubans, and other cigars to enjoy.
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I weighed the options, and for me, it wasn't worth it. Then again, I am not a huge Tat fan. I like Tat's, but IMHO, Studio Tobac smokes are better. If ST had a similar club, I'd be there in a heartbeat, and spend the $$. I guess it's all about what cigar brand you like, and if it's worth it for you.
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197 :ss
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Number 58
:noon :noon :noon :noon Chris..... |
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I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think that $20-30k is going to make much difference on his bottom line. I know some people say he's doing this for the money and like you said he isn't in business to break even but I don't think this is going to make or break him. All the best, Dan |
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True dat! Even if it's a loss leader it gets a captive audience ready to buy whatever is new....ya know. IF he makes money...plus for him! Side note for everyone else... IF you sign up (I know some of you have) stop in the new member section and say hey (I'm the same screen name)...so I know who to add to my friend list! :tu M |
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FWIW - I was inspired by the group and made a piece to show my enjoyment thus far!
It can be found HERE M |
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On ym drive to work today, I was thinking this:
for those of you who did not 'invest' in the club, how did it affect your tat buying? I'll preface this with saying I am an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe 4-5 a month. I am a total tat whore, with probably 85% of what I smoke being tat. However, since I can't justify a membership to the club, i now feel slighted, even though I am a regular customer. As such, I'd have to say that I have been buying more Fuentes lately, swinging the tat percentage to more like 15%. Any others notice the same thing? |
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The rule of thumb being (quote from wikipedia): "80% of your sales come from 20% of your clients" There are only 200 (ish) members. I doubt that is 20% of the buyers. Thoughts? M |
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You shouldn't feel unimportant. There are many, many cigars from many companies that most of us can't get their hands on.
C'est la vie! Here is something to always remember: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum...t-smalley1.jpg :r |
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I dont see any issues with it. His cigars have not changed. If I only smoked 4-5 smokes a month then I would not look into the club either. However I really enjoy Tats and smoke probably 5-7 of those a week. That being said I like finding out where and when to get the new releases so that I have a leg up on the people who are not in the club. No it does not mean I am more important that any of the non club members. It just means that having the opportunity to possibly be first in line is worth the price of membership. Well that and whatever is in the sampler that comes with it. Kinda like CRA many people smoke but do not join CRA. It does not mean that they dont care about smoking legislation it is just not worth the price of membership in there mind.
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I am enjoying my membership. :) Pete is giving us a heads up on what is coming down the pike, new cigars, etc.
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Yeah, its no big deal. Just something I realized this morning. The cigars don't all of a sudden suck, so I'll continue to smoke what I want.
I never chased the limiteds anyway, so no big deal. I just want more black label! |
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Nice thing is it seems most of whats coming out is not a very limited release. Should get some people off his back for a little while.
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:r:r
no. wait ..... :r:r:r Must... refrain... Just curious, who lives with the 14 year old girl? But I digress.... I do love them smokes, when I can afford them. I better check my fridge to see if I can catch it. |
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Next food for thought on this club...analogy style!
To take it into the golf world... Is this like a country club mentality type thing? Meaning...those that joined feel great while they're there (get hard to find cigars), and others want to play (who doesn't want to try a nice HTF cigar?) but can't afford it, OR chose that it's not worth the money to join when a nice public course is available just up the street (regular production smokes). But, if someone invited them onto the course (in this case shared HTF cigars) they certainly wouldn't say no to them. A buddy of mine was courted to join a country club, and he was telling me some numbers...CRAZY out of my league, but he's a CFO...so, not out of his. But, if he joined and asked me to play. I'm in! Long thought shortened - If I was invited to a country club to play the course, darn right I'm playing! So, in this S&S case...if offered some of the elusive 15, who would turn them down? Anyway...thoughts on the comparison? While we're at it...any country club members wanna chime in with why it's better than public course play? M |
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Then again maybe it is because if you can afford the country club but don't play golf it's not worth joining either. Hmmmmmmm |
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I worked at a country club for a while as a young buck. My views wouldn't probably align. Other than that, I will tactfully refrain.
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I guess I just don't play enough golf. |
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Let me preface by saying that I did join the S&S club will I renew who know but most likely I will :tu. From what you're saying we get to "pop our collars" because were in a club? :rolleyes:. Please understand no disrespect to you or the S&S club and members. The way I see the club, it's just something that's there. Hell I am sure all of us would make donations to CA if and when the time comes. And that's all I see it as, a donation to a website to something that I enjoy! Are we as members getting something extra out of the deal, sure but it's really nothing more than what's really offered at other websites. There are some onetime deals out there but just like the WTB section out of any forum it's a fist come first serve. It's not like their offering the HTF to strictly members (I may be wrong) or members get the first shot at them, but regardless it's still a first come first served. Again no disrespect meant to Pete Johnson, S&S club and it's members but that's just how I feel. I don't know it's early and my eyes aren't focusing right so I hope I made sense and didn't offend any one:D |
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