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Trent0341 05-20-2011 05:55 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooks W (Post 1269244)
It is a cigar box, it is actually the same box the "Outlaw" Tats came in...


~brooks
Thanks for the pic... I've rolled the dice on this one. I'm willing to bet PJ comes through.

jovenhut 05-20-2011 06:33 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by twenty5 (Post 1235934)
As Brooks already mentioned in this thread, sizes or blends may have changed since these pictures were taken but these were the original S&S samplers:
Attachment 9243
Attachment 9244
Attachment 9245
:banger

Seasick Sailor 05-20-2011 07:39 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Your membership does include cigars. Pete confirms it on the site, and from the sound of it, the people who told you that it would be a mix of regular production, limited edition, and prototypes got it right.

At the end of the day, you have to decide if it's worth it to you. For me it was. YMMV. What I don't understand is why people feel the need to bash those who find value in it or Pete for giving his fans what many of them asked for.

LostAbbott 05-20-2011 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seasick Sailor (Post 1269542)
Your membership does include cigars. Pete confirms it on the site, and from the sound of it, the people who told you that it would be a mix of regular production, limited edition, and prototypes got it right.

At the end of the day, you have to decide if it's worth it to you. For me it was. YMMV. What I don't understand is why people feel the need to bash those who find value in it or Pete for giving his fans what many of them asked for.
I think the people who are bashing this club are those who have chases NC LE's in the past and are feeling burned out on it with this club. I think it happens with every new le release, but more so with this as the benefits of the club are so vague.
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mariogolbee 05-20-2011 08:32 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seasick Sailor (Post 1269542)
What I don't understand is why people feel the need to bash those who find value in it or Pete for giving his fans what many of them asked for.
Cognitive dissonance.:2

thecatch83 05-20-2011 09:13 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seasick Sailor (Post 1269542)
Your membership does include cigars. Pete confirms it on the site, and from the sound of it, the people who told you that it would be a mix of regular production, limited edition, and prototypes got it right.

At the end of the day, you have to decide if it's worth it to you. For me it was. YMMV. What I don't understand is why people feel the need to bash those who find value in it or Pete for giving his fans what many of them asked for.
^ :tu

Quote:
Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1269591)
I think the people who are bashing this club are those who have chases NC LE's in the past and are feeling burned out on it with this club. I think it happens with every new le release, but more so with this as the benefits of the club are so vague.
Posted via Mobile Device
And with S&S, there is no chasing.......kind of ironical

Loon 05-20-2011 10:49 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
And now we can all bow our heads with great respect and
genuflect genuflect genuflect.

:=:

mariogolbee 05-20-2011 11:07 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1269745)
And now we can all bow our heads with great respect and
genuflect genuflect genuflect.

:=:
:tf

muhren 05-21-2011 06:58 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
After much back & forth (with myself) I came to a very sound decision based on one thing - You only live once.

I'm now #152.

For those doing the math - with me signed up at 152 (x$150) that is $22,800 made in a couple days for Pete! (minus his costs of course)

would it be fun to see a running income total on this or not?? - :confused:

M

Trent0341 05-21-2011 07:56 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1269952)
After much back & forth (with myself) I came to a very sound decision based on one thing - You only live once.

I'm now #152.

For those doing the math - with me signed up at 152 (x$150) that is $22,800 made in a couple days for Pete! (minus his costs of course)

would it be fun to see a running income total on this or not?? - :confused:

M
I can't imagine that after expenses and whatever donation he's making to charity that this affects his bottom line much. I am curious as to how many people this will draw?

srduggins 05-21-2011 10:02 AM
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I'm on the fence. Normally, I'd be all over this, but I have plenty to smoke and not smoking as many NCs these days. Plus I'd hate to smoke one stick, love it, and not have any more, or any other chance of getting more.

chippewastud79 05-21-2011 10:06 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by srduggins (Post 1270069)
I'm on the fence. Normally, I'd be all over this, but I have plenty to smoke and not smoking as many NCs these days. Plus I'd hate to smoke one stick, love it, and not have any more, or any other chance of getting more.
I'm guessing that all the sticks in the sampler are readily available either before or after said sampler is sent out. He can't make money if people love cigars he doesn't even sell. It will make a lot more money for him in the long run for all the people who buy into the 'limited and test' thought. :2

muhren 05-21-2011 11:14 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent0341 (Post 1269987)
I can't imagine that after expenses and whatever donation he's making to charity that this affects his bottom line much. I am curious as to how many people this will draw?
You're thinking he's not generating income from the sign-up fee?

I'm basing this on a fellow (manufacturer) I spoke on the phone with who let slip that they sell to retailers at about 50% of what's charged. This was on a particular stick, but still, I would think around 11K of that is profit.

But, he would have to pay for web programming as well. Shipping, etc. So, maybe less...I guess he's not making half profit, but he (or anyone for that matter) is not in business to break even.

M

mariogolbee 05-21-2011 08:00 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I'm number 166 since you want to keep track, M. I shifted some funds around so I could sign up. I'm sure the sticks will be worth it. I had the option of a XXXL tee, and swag tees are usually XXL at best. The hat is kinda nifty. The rest of the swag aint bad neither.

Yes, $150 could buy a box of... something. They would all be the same something, and it would likely not be the same opportunity.

As for the donation thing, PJ has already done two years of the Verite thing as charity, and has a lot of respect for the Fuentes which donate a lot to charity. I'm sure it will be a worthwhile cut to charity.

Another thing I noticed when signing up is that they ask for your country, mention international shipping through USPS int. flat rate, and the shipping is free. IDK if this will hold up for my international BOTL here, but $150 USD is a steal for some Tats shipped free over seas considering that shipping is pricey across the pond, and I think it's more difficult and expensive to get NCs over there anyway. IDK how all that works, but it's a thought.

maninblack 05-22-2011 06:34 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I'm still debating about signing up but its very tempting, no matter what the haters say.

boom 05-22-2011 10:31 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Still a toss up for me at this point.

neoflex 05-22-2011 07:55 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I posted on Petes wall and he did confirm that it includes 15 sticks. Trying to shift some funds around as 15 Tats is worth the coin plus I look at the other stuff to be a bonus although the only thing it the pack besides the cigars that I would probably like having is the tee and hat as I am a cigar tee ho.

themoneycollector 05-22-2011 08:44 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1270070)
I'm guessing that all the sticks in the sampler are readily available either before or after said sampler is sent out. He can't make money if people love cigars he doesn't even sell. It will make a lot more money for him in the long run for all the people who buy into the 'limited and test' thought. :2
Great point. I think I'm going to hold out. If you're wrong, then oh well, I lost out on trying some 1 off sticks that I could never get again. If you're right, then you saved me $150 from buying into the club now.

burnem 05-22-2011 08:57 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I am grateful for sinners and saints. It is at this point that I can say that I am through chasing hard to finds. There are too many normal production Tats to enjoy if the quality doesn't start to slip because all the extra effort being put into the blending and production of these HTFs. There are just too many Pepin blends, Cubans, and other cigars to enjoy.

poriggity 05-23-2011 09:36 AM
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I weighed the options, and for me, it wasn't worth it. Then again, I am not a huge Tat fan. I like Tat's, but IMHO, Studio Tobac smokes are better. If ST had a similar club, I'd be there in a heartbeat, and spend the $$. I guess it's all about what cigar brand you like, and if it's worth it for you.

stearns 05-23-2011 10:05 AM
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197 :ss

stearns

marge796 05-23-2011 03:42 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Number 58


:noon :noon :noon :noon


Chris.....

Trent0341 05-23-2011 04:01 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1270123)
You're thinking he's not generating income from the sign-up fee?

I'm basing this on a fellow (manufacturer) I spoke on the phone with who let slip that they sell to retailers at about 50% of what's charged. This was on a particular stick, but still, I would think around 11K of that is profit.

But, he would have to pay for web programming as well. Shipping, etc. So, maybe less...I guess he's not making half profit, but he (or anyone for that matter) is not in business to break even.

M
Mike,
I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think that $20-30k is going to make much difference on his bottom line. I know some people say he's doing this for the money and like you said he isn't in business to break even but I don't think this is going to make or break him. All the best, Dan

KidRock 05-23-2011 04:05 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent0341 (Post 1272266)
Mike,
I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think that $20-30k is going to make much difference on his bottom line. I know some people say he's doing this for the money and like you said he isn't in business to break even but I don't think this is going to make or break him. All the best, Dan
agreed, excellent post!

muhren 05-24-2011 03:52 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent0341 (Post 1272266)
Mike,
I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think that $20-30k is going to make much difference on his bottom line. I know some people say he's doing this for the money and like you said he isn't in business to break even but I don't think this is going to make or break him. All the best, Dan
D,

True dat! Even if it's a loss leader it gets a captive audience ready to buy whatever is new....ya know. IF he makes money...plus for him!

Side note for everyone else...

IF you sign up (I know some of you have) stop in the new member section and say hey (I'm the same screen name)...so I know who to add to my friend list! :tu

M

muhren 06-02-2011 09:50 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
FWIW - I was inspired by the group and made a piece to show my enjoyment thus far!

It can be found HERE

M

xlc12rf 06-02-2011 10:36 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
On ym drive to work today, I was thinking this:

for those of you who did not 'invest' in the club, how did it affect your tat buying?

I'll preface this with saying I am an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe 4-5 a month. I am a total tat whore, with probably 85% of what I smoke being tat. However, since I can't justify a membership to the club, i now feel slighted, even though I am a regular customer. As such, I'd have to say that I have been buying more Fuentes lately, swinging the tat percentage to more like 15%. Any others notice the same thing?

muhren 06-02-2011 10:44 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xlc12rf (Post 1282092)
On ym drive to work today, I was thinking this:

for those of you who did not 'invest' in the club, how did it affect your tat buying?

I'll preface this with saying I am an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe 4-5 a month. I am a total tat whore, with probably 85% of what I smoke being tat. However, since I can't justify a membership to the club, i now feel slighted, even though I am a regular customer. As such, I'd have to say that I have been buying more Fuentes lately, swinging the tat percentage to more like 15%. Any others notice the same thing?
A good question! I wonder if the 80/20 rule still applies, or if the club has changed that.

The rule of thumb being (quote from wikipedia):
"80% of your sales come from 20% of your clients"

There are only 200 (ish) members. I doubt that is 20% of the buyers.

Thoughts?

M

NCRadioMan 06-02-2011 10:47 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xlc12rf (Post 1282092)
On ym drive to work today, I was thinking this:

for those of you who did not 'invest' in the club, how did it affect your tat buying?

I'll preface this with saying I am an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe 4-5 a month. I am a total tat whore, with probably 85% of what I smoke being tat. However, since I can't justify a membership to the club, i now feel slighted, even though I am a regular customer. As such, I'd have to say that I have been buying more Fuentes lately, swinging the tat percentage to more like 15%. Any others notice the same thing?
I'll buy the original Brown label line all day long. I did the special release thing with Tats in the beginning. Then I smoked them and realized I liked the Brown's much better than anything else produced, especially the limited release stuff. Plus, since they are made in the ERdLH factory, the quality is unlikely to change.

xlc12rf 06-02-2011 11:04 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 1282104)
I'll buy the original Brown label line all day long. I did the special release thing with Tats in the beginning. Then I smoked them and realized I liked the Brown's much better than anything else produced, especially the limited release stuff. Plus, since they are made in the ERdLH factory, the quality is unlikely to change.
Yeah, the existence of the club doesn't change my enjoyment of the J21 brown label, or the black tubos. I'm not going to say I don't buy Tat anymore, but I kinda feel, I don't know how to explain it, unimportant?

NCRadioMan 06-02-2011 11:10 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
You shouldn't feel unimportant. There are many, many cigars from many companies that most of us can't get their hands on.

C'est la vie!

Here is something to always remember:
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum...t-smalley1.jpg

:r

Ranger_B 06-02-2011 11:12 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I dont see any issues with it. His cigars have not changed. If I only smoked 4-5 smokes a month then I would not look into the club either. However I really enjoy Tats and smoke probably 5-7 of those a week. That being said I like finding out where and when to get the new releases so that I have a leg up on the people who are not in the club. No it does not mean I am more important that any of the non club members. It just means that having the opportunity to possibly be first in line is worth the price of membership. Well that and whatever is in the sampler that comes with it. Kinda like CRA many people smoke but do not join CRA. It does not mean that they dont care about smoking legislation it is just not worth the price of membership in there mind.

elderboy02 06-02-2011 11:14 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I am enjoying my membership. :) Pete is giving us a heads up on what is coming down the pike, new cigars, etc.

xlc12rf 06-02-2011 11:15 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Yeah, its no big deal. Just something I realized this morning. The cigars don't all of a sudden suck, so I'll continue to smoke what I want.

I never chased the limiteds anyway, so no big deal. I just want more black label!

NCRadioMan 06-02-2011 11:16 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1282138)
I am enjoying my membership. :) Pete is giving us a heads up on what is coming down the pike, new cigars, etc.
Yeah, there are alot of them scheduled for this year.

http://thecigarfeed.com/2011CigarReleases

elderboy02 06-02-2011 11:25 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 1282142)
Yeah, there are alot of them scheduled for this year.

http://thecigarfeed.com/2011CigarReleases
Yep. There sure are a lot of them coming out. I love it :banger

Ranger_B 06-02-2011 11:30 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Nice thing is it seems most of whats coming out is not a very limited release. Should get some people off his back for a little while.

replicant_argent 06-02-2011 11:34 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
:r:r



no.




wait
.....






:r:r:r



Must...



refrain...



Just curious, who lives with the 14 year old girl?




But I digress....



I do love them smokes, when I can afford them.


I better check my fridge to see if I can catch it.

bvilchez 06-02-2011 01:31 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1282024)
FWIW - I was inspired by the group and made a piece to show my enjoyment thus far!

It can be found HERE

M
Mike just a heads up...

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/announcement.php?f=5

Kreth 06-02-2011 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by xlc12rf (Post 1282140)
I never chased the limiteds anyway...
:tpd: I'd much rather find solid smokes that I'll be able to get my hands on a year from now.
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chippewastud79 06-02-2011 05:39 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1282138)
I am enjoying my membership. :) Pete is giving us a heads up on what is coming down the pike, new cigars, etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCRadioMan (Post 1282142)
Yeah, there are alot of them scheduled for this year.

http://thecigarfeed.com/2011CigarReleases
Quote:
Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1282148)
Yep. There sure are a lot of them coming out. I love it :banger
Man, I am glad I spent $150 to find out about new releases that are posted on public websites. :rolleyes:

elderboy02 06-02-2011 07:06 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 1282494)
Man, I am glad I spent $150 to find out about new releases that are posted on public websites. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I am sure those websites know about the ones Pete just mentioned on S&S :rolleyes:

muhren 06-02-2011 07:24 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Next food for thought on this club...analogy style!

To take it into the golf world...

Is this like a country club mentality type thing?

Meaning...those that joined feel great while they're there (get hard to find cigars), and others want to play (who doesn't want to try a nice HTF cigar?) but can't afford it, OR chose that it's not worth the money to join when a nice public course is available just up the street (regular production smokes). But, if someone invited them onto the course (in this case shared HTF cigars) they certainly wouldn't say no to them.

A buddy of mine was courted to join a country club, and he was telling me some numbers...CRAZY out of my league, but he's a CFO...so, not out of his. But, if he joined and asked me to play. I'm in!

Long thought shortened - If I was invited to a country club to play the course, darn right I'm playing! So, in this S&S case...if offered some of the elusive 15, who would turn them down?

Anyway...thoughts on the comparison? While we're at it...any country club members wanna chime in with why it's better than public course play?

M

jayro75 06-02-2011 07:30 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1282603)
Next food for thought on this club...analogy style!

To take it into the golf world...

Is this like a country club mentality type thing?

Meaning...those that joined feel great while they're there (get hard to fund cigars), and others want to play (who doesn't want to try a nice cigar) but can't afford it, OR chose that it's worth the money to join when a nice public course is available just up the street (regular production smokes). But, if someone invited them onto the course (in this case shared HTF cigars) they certainly wouldn't say no to them.

Long thought shortened - If I was invited to a country club to play the course, darn right I'm playing! So, in this S&S case...if offered some of the elusive 15, who would turn them down?

I'm just curious if this is at all the same. A buddy of mine was courted to join a country club, and he was telling me some numbers...CRAZY out of my league, but he's a CFO...so, not out of his.

Anyway...thoughts on the comparison?

M
The reason it's not is that $150 to join S&S isn't alot of money (to me at least) but joining a Tat fan club, getting the 15 sticks and inside info from Pete isn't worth it ( to me at least).

Then again maybe it is because if you can afford the country club but don't play golf it's not worth joining either.

Hmmmmmmm

replicant_argent 06-02-2011 07:31 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
I worked at a country club for a while as a young buck. My views wouldn't probably align. Other than that, I will tactfully refrain.

icehog3 06-02-2011 08:13 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by elderboy02 (Post 1282566)
Yeah, I am sure those websites know about the ones Pete just mentioned on S&S :rolleyes:
Maybe S&S members cut and paste them on public sites as soon as Pete posts on S&S?

bobarian 06-02-2011 09:11 PM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1282722)
Maybe S&S members cut and paste them on public sites as soon as Pete posts on S&S?
What? You mean some might post the list publicly to say "Look at Me and what I know!" Pshaw! You silly hog! :tf

xlc12rf 06-03-2011 05:53 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1282603)
Next food for thought on this club...analogy style!

To take it into the golf world...

Is this like a country club mentality type thing?

Meaning...those that joined feel great while they're there (get hard to find cigars), and others want to play (who doesn't want to try a nice HTF cigar?) but can't afford it, OR chose that it's not worth the money to join when a nice public course is available just up the street (regular production smokes). But, if someone invited them onto the course (in this case shared HTF cigars) they certainly wouldn't say no to them.

A buddy of mine was courted to join a country club, and he was telling me some numbers...CRAZY out of my league, but he's a CFO...so, not out of his. But, if he joined and asked me to play. I'm in!

Long thought shortened - If I was invited to a country club to play the course, darn right I'm playing! So, in this S&S case...if offered some of the elusive 15, who would turn them down?

Anyway...thoughts on the comparison? While we're at it...any country club members wanna chime in with why it's better than public course play?

M
This is actually the exact comparison I was thinking about.

I guess I just don't play enough golf.

chippewastud79 06-03-2011 07:09 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1282722)
Maybe S&S members cut and paste them on public sites as soon as Pete posts on S&S?
No, they are ultra exclusive. The public shall never know and any of Pete's minions who are found to be sharing the super secret information, club hand shake or any of the 'hard to find/test blend' cigars, will be swiftly extradicted to a remote planet and forced to smoke Cremosas and Cohibos for the rest of their days. :rolleyes:

bonjing 06-03-2011 09:52 AM
Re: Tatuaje Saints & Sinners club
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muhren (Post 1282603)
Next food for thought on this club...analogy style!

To take it into the golf world...

Is this like a country club mentality type thing?

Meaning...those that joined feel great while they're there (get hard to find cigars), and others want to play (who doesn't want to try a nice HTF cigar?) but can't afford it, OR chose that it's not worth the money to join when a nice public course is available just up the street (regular production smokes). But, if someone invited them onto the course (in this case shared HTF cigars) they certainly wouldn't say no to them.

A buddy of mine was courted to join a country club, and he was telling me some numbers...CRAZY out of my league, but he's a CFO...so, not out of his. But, if he joined and asked me to play. I'm in!

Long thought shortened - If I was invited to a country club to play the course, darn right I'm playing! So, in this S&S case...if offered some of the elusive 15, who would turn them down?

Anyway...thoughts on the comparison? While we're at it...any country club members wanna chime in with why it's better than public course play?

M

Let me preface by saying that I did join the S&S club will I renew who know but most likely I will :tu.

From what you're saying we get to "pop our collars" because were in a club? :rolleyes:. Please understand no disrespect to you or the S&S club and members. The way I see the club, it's just something that's there. Hell I am sure all of us would make donations to CA if and when the time comes. And that's all I see it as, a donation to a website to something that I enjoy!

Are we as members getting something extra out of the deal, sure but it's really nothing more than what's really offered at other websites. There are some onetime deals out there but just like the WTB section out of any forum it's a fist come first serve. It's not like their offering the HTF to strictly members (I may be wrong) or members get the first shot at them, but regardless it's still a first come first served.

Again no disrespect meant to Pete Johnson, S&S club and it's members but that's just how I feel.

I don't know it's early and my eyes aren't focusing right so I hope I made sense and didn't offend any one:D


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