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That flying scissor kick leg lock was the greatest thing ever. Link for those who haven't seen it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5B6xBZiX8

These days however, Chonan isn't that great in my opinion and won't do very well in the ufc if his last 2 fights are any kind of indication.

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There are several other interesting fights than the 3 you quoted me on, they just don't have the "big named superstars" as much as those 3. But they will still be great.

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Yeah, he really hasn't been stealing the show since then. I as well hope he can revive his fighting career.


My 3yr took a headbutt last night and ended up with a knot between the eyes and bloody nose. I take him to training every so often and I'll wrestle with him during breaks (since I don't need one :ze :D), but this time he didn't heed my warning about staying out of the way while there was activity on the mat. Oh well, I told him. Not his first busted nose and I am so positve it won't be the last.

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More horrible MMA news:

Former Ultimate Fighting Championship and World Extreme Cagefighting middleweight Justin Levens and his wife were found dead on Wednesday from gunshot wounds in their Luguna Niguel, Calif. home, according to a report on TMZ.com.

Sources in the report say that the police are investigating the deaths as a possible murder/suicide.

Levens fought in numerous organizations over the past few years including the UFC, WEC and the IFL. The former Ruas Vale Tudo student was scheduled to compete on the first Affliction card in July of this year, but due to delays at the event, the fight was scrapped at the last minute. He later returned positive results for the drug Oxymorphone as part of his pre-fight drug testing and was subsequently fined $1,000 and suspended for six months, which would have run through Jan. 15, 2009.

Born in Philadelphia on April 18, 1980, Levens was 28 at the time of his death.

MMAWeekly.com will have more on this story as it becomes available.


Damn.

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Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans - Hard fight to call, but I'll take Griffin breaking Evans' record.
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir - Nog willl try to box & both have top skills on the ground, so I take Nog
CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio - No real reason, just do not care for "Mr. Excuses".
Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson - Once, Twice, Three times I knock your dog-chain-wearin' monster-truck-drinvin' ass out.
Cheick Kongo Vs. Mostapha Al Turk - Kongo has never showed anything on the ground, going to have problems staying at the feet. I do like Kongo so hopefully he pulls out a KO.
Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister - I didn't know Lister was 6'1", I thought more at 5'8".

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I like your picks Ken and I agree, the Forrest and Rashad fight is a hard fight to call. Forrest is tough as nails, but Rashad lately has just been a beat on the ground and his striking is crazy. I think I'm going to take Rashad tonight. Mir is in the best shape of his life and is really ready for this fight, but I just think Nog is too damn good. Wandy is my all time favorite fighter and I think i'll take apart Rampage, earning him a title shot against the winner of Forrest and Rashad, which will be interesting considering Forrest is his training partner.

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Yeah, I'm really not sure how Forrest will win. I guess I think he'll stay alive for the decision. Evans has looked impresssive and i've liked the guy, and with his wrestling he has the tools to put this fight away.

Mir has been looking good, in an athletic non-sexual way, and while I've never been a fan I'm starting to like watching his fights.

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I hope rampage vs wandy is similar to their other 2 fights, with rampage eating a lot of knees in the face.

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I'm not sure if he could like through that many knees again.:eek: they were good fights, though, so lets hope.

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Someone call the cops!!!! Kongo tried to murder Al Turk:D. Man, talk about a beat down.

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good ufc

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:r How many times can I be wrong in one night?

So does Jackson get his a shot at the belt ahead of the winner of Machida and Silva?

Mir's standup is very much improved.

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Machida's last win was vs tito ortiz in a boring fight in May.
Silva lost and will probably have to redeem himself before a title shot, maybe by fighting Machida.

Possibly Rampage and Rashad next.


Mir looked amazing.

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Cant wait for Mir Lesner II! Mir's gameplan was perfect. Rashad is a beast.

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Rampage vs. Rashad will be their next fight. Anyone else notice that he KO'ed Wandy the exact same way as he did to Chuck, just with his left.

Wolfslair is about to become THE CAMP to train at. With how good Bisping has done, how much improved Rampage's striking has come along and the pure murder that Kongo did to Al Turk.

On another note, Rashad proved once again he deserves to be undefeated at 205. He has hands down improved the most out of all the TUF'ers. His stand up is NICE.

Mir looked unreal. He completely dominated Nog, something I never thought would happen. I had a feeling Mir was going to come into this and do well, but never did I think he would completely own Big Nog.

This was hands down the best card of the year!

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Mir's standup WAS phenomenal but one thing i've been thinking about since last night...Nog didn't seem to do much. He had very little offense, he just moved around and got hit. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, i don't want to take anything away from Frank, like i said, his stand up looked impressive, but perhaps big Nog could have neutralized it a little bit with some offense of his own. We might never know tho.

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Not much on Machida myself, though I believe there was indication that the winner would get a shot. But they both do need a bigger win.

This should be a good fight. Rashad has been dominating his fights and I'll pull for him in this one.

You're not alone in wondering WTF Nog was or wasn't doing. The guy has good boxing and great ground skills, so where was it at. :confused: Mir may be good/great and he may be the better fighter, but he made Nog look like an outmatched school boy. I'm not saying it was, but watching the fight the thought came to my head that he tanked the fight.

Mir Lesnar II, can't wait.:bx

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First thought of the fights...where were the submissions?!? Geez, every fight was a TKO or knockout (and there were some dramatic knockouts!) but I was hoping for just one submission!

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UFC 92 was a great card that didn't dissapoint me, at all. I was a little surprised that Rashad won like he did. Just a little. I like him alot but everytime I have counted Forrest out, he won. Nog's age and fights have caught up to him. He had nothing for Mir and Mir did look really good. Can't wait to see the re-match with Lesnar. Same with Wandy. I think all his tough fights have caught up with him. That was a hell of a left from Rampage. Hopefully he will not go on another "rampage". lol

Next good MMA card is on New Year's Eve with K-1 Premium 2008 Dynamite
Saitama Super Arena,
Saitama, Japan

Matchups: MMA Rules

Kazushi Sakuraba vs. Kiyoshi Tamura
Eddie Alvarez (No. 2 LW, No. 10 PFP) vs. Shinya Aoki (No. 4 LW)
Joachim Hansen (No. 3 LW) vs. Gesias Cavalcante (No. 5 LW)
Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Hong Man Choi
Semmy Schilt vs. Siala Siliga
Jerome LeBanner vs. Mark Hunt
Hideo Tokoro vs. Daisuke Nakamura

K-1 Rules
Gegard Mousasi (No. 5 MW) vs. Musashi
Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Kozo Takeda
Yoshihiro Sato vs. Artur Kyshenko

K-1 King of Under 18 Tournament
Hiroya vs. Shota Shimada
Tatsuya Kusakabe vs. Koya Urabe

Then a few days later, Sengoku 7 on the 4th!

Saitama Super Arena,
Saitama, Japan

Matchups:

Sengoku Middleweight Championship
Kazuo Misaki vs. Jorge Santiago

Sengoku Lightweight Championship
Takanori Gomi vs. Satoru Kitaoka

Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Sanae Kikuta
Antonio Silva vs. Yoshihiro Nakao
Sergey Golyaev vs. Eiji Mitsuoka
Muhammed Lawal(King Mo) vs. Yukiya Naito
Dave Herman vs. Mu Bae Choi
Maximo Blanco vs. Seigo Inoue
Hidetaka Irie vs. Minoru Kato

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Going to be interesting to see if Bigfoot Silva will be able to fight in the states once again after ignoring the commission's suspension. Granted they don't technically apply over in Japan, the NSAC is notorious for taking it as a big F-U if you go to Japan and fight to avoid their suspensions.

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I've read a couple of articles that mention Forrest's sloppy guard before Rashad finished him off. I think in his interview (and from rewatching that part of the fight I agree) Forrest says he was pretty out of it most of the time he was on the ground.

Rashad landed some pretty heavy shots, but I think Forrest was pretty well toast, just barely able to pull guard and survive a little longer. Then Rashad finished him off with the big right and followup punishment.

Forrest was winning in the stand up, but his kicks were getting sloppy and Rashad was able to capitalize. I hope someone strips the belt from him soon. He's a few good fights lately, but I'm still not a big fan.

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I've liked the guy though sometimes it's like having to eat cooked spinach for me. I like watching him fight and then he does those ignorant showboat antics acting like a buffoon and it's hard to choke down.

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He has toned it down quite a bit lately, but I definitely know what you mean. He is certainly unique...he showboats for the fans, but then is extremely classy to the other fighters and in interviews.

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Holy ****, someone please tell me they saw Melvin Manhoef, a MW and last minute replacement KO Mark Hunt, a Super Heavy Weight!?!?!?!?

When I first heard that Manhoef was replacing Jerome LeBanner I was confused. Sure Manhoef is a highly touted MW with serious KO power, but for god sakes, Hunt has fought and beat CroCop in his prime and gotten kicked right in the face by him in the process.

What a sick KO, off his back foot at that. Very much like Rampage's KO on Wandy. Hunt went in sloppy, Melvin ducked and moved and threw the HUGE left hook, only Melvin's was followed by another right, but the left is the one that did it.

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I just finished watching the K-1 event. That was a sic KO. 18 seconds! Never seen Hunt go down like that before.

This was the card of the year! Alot of folks think UFC is the chit but compared to the fights in Japan, there is no comparison. Really great fights with lots of KO's and subs. Crocop destroyed Choi's knee. That's the only thing he could do with that dude. He's huge!

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Yeah Choi's knee just straight buckled from all those kicks. I still disagree with the whole WAMMA title thing. I'm confident BJ Penn would straight DESTROY Aoki.

Until the UFC joins WAMMA, their titles mean nothing......

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I like all MMA. I leave the business of it and comparisons of one organization to another to the media and the business people who cause some to fold, and buy each other out. I'm just glad i get to watch it all.

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I'm talking about the fights in general, not the business end of it. The good fighters that fight in Japan seem to be so much more skilled in all areas. Dream, Sengoku and K-1 cards are always great from top to bottom whereas the UFC will have 2, maybe, 3 great cards in a year. Plus, you don't have to be one of Dana's "boys" to make it big.

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Some pretty good fights. Overeem made Badr Hari look silly. Straight schooled that guy. CroCops fight was boring, but what can you do against such a giant. And Hunt KO'd in seconds. WOW!

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Just watched the Sengoku 7 event that held yesterday. More great fights! Here are the results:

1. Hidetada Irie defeats Minoru Kato via TKO (Punches) in R2
2. Maximo Blanco defeats Seigo Inoue via KO (Stomps) in R1 Head stomps are awesome!
3. Mu Bae Choi defeats Dave Herman via TKO (Punches) at in R2 Herman had this won early but didn't finish.
4. Eiji Mitsuoka defeats Sergey Golyaev via Submission (Armbar) in R1
5. Antonio Silva defeats Yoshihiro Nakao via TKO (Knee Injury) in R1
6. Muhammed Lawal defeats Yukiya Naito via TKO (Punches) in R1
7. Sanae Kikuta defeats Hidehiko Yoshida via Split Decision It's strange watching Yoshida fight without a gi.
8. Jorge Santiago defeats Kazuo Misaki via Technical Submission (Rear Naked Choke) in R5.
9. Satoru Kitaoka defeats Takanori Gomi via Submission (Heel Hook) in R1. Gomi Loses by Heel Hook submission early in the first round. Kitaoka is the new Sengoku Lightweight Champion. Thats two loses in a row for Gomi.

DEAN LISTER REQUESTS, RECEIVES RELEASE FROM UFC

Following a loss to Yushin Okami at UFC 92 in December, middleweight Dean Lister requested and received his release from the promotion and will seek a deal with a new employer in 2009. The news was confirmed to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday by Lister's management team at Haymaker's Empire.

According to his manager, Lister requested the release and the UFC granted his leaving the organization. The former Abu Dhabi champion is already in talks with several promotions, including Dream and Affliction, for a new deal.

During his time with the UFC, Lister amassed an impressive 4-2 record with wins over fighters like Jeremy Horn and Alessio Sakara, with his only losses coming against Nate Marquardt and Okami in his last bout.

With his release from the UFC, Lister isn't looking to sit out for very long. He wants to return soon with a new promotion.

The grappling guru is also looking for a shot at a fighter such as Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza or possibly new Sengoku middleweight champion Jorge Santiago, to get back in against top competition and prove his meddle as one of the top submission artists in MMA.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...7898&zoneid=13

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http://mmajunkie.com/news/13639/davi...-at-ufc-97.mma

David Loiseau agrees to new UFC contract, could return at UFC 97
by John Morgan and Dann Stupp on Jan 05, 2009 at 4:44 pm ET
Popular Canadian fighter David Loiseau (18-8 MMA, 4-3 UFC) will return to the Ultimate Fighting Championship for the first time in two-and-a-half years after after agreeing to a new contract with the organization.

A source close to Loiseau today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the fighter has accepted a UFC 97 bout with Ed Herman (14-7 MMA, 3-4 UFC), though the fight is not signed and could still fall through.

Although not officially announced, UFC 97 is expected to take place April 18 in Loiseau's home of Montreal, Canada.

The bout was first reported by CagePlay.com.

Loiseau, a former top UFC middleweight contender, eventually left the organization after a title loss to then-champ Rich Franklin and a subsequent decision defeat to Mike Swick. Loiseau, once of the UFC's most exciting fighters, then signed with the upstart EliteXC organization and promptly suffered his third consecutive defeat with a decision loss to Joey Villasenor.

Since then, though, Loiseau has gone 4-1, which included a TKO victory over "The Ultimate Fighter" and UFC veteran Solomon Hutcherson in his most recent bout in September.

Herman, meanwhile, has had a rocky road since his runner-up finish on "The Ultimate Fighter 3." After the loss to Kendall Grove in the live finale and a subsequent submission loss to Jason MacDonald in his following fight, Herman posted three consecutive victories (Chris Price, Scott Smith and Joe Doerksen) – all via stoppage.

However, Herman is 0-2 in his past two fights with a submission loss to Demian Maia and a close split-decision defeat to Alan Belcher is his most recent fight at UFC Fight Night 15.

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Nice! The Crow has always been a top favorite of mine because of how exciting of a fighter he is. I remember watching him back in the day in the UFC. Dude's elbows are razor sharp. If his mind is right, he may be a force in the division.

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I'm confident BJ Penn would straight DESTROY Aoki.

I don't know about that Aoki has some sick submissions and is very innovative. I saw him break a guys arm doing a flying arm bar within a couple seconds at the Rickson Gracie Budo Challenge. The UFC does not have the caliber of lightweights like they do in DREAM (or middleweights). Then again if they fought under UFC rules Penn would probably win because they stand fighters up just about everytime they go to the ground.

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Looks like they're working on Rashad vs. Rampage for the Columbus card. I sure hope so, because right now the floor seats I have for the show are getting me nothing.

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Can't wait to watch Hendo vs Franklin.

The Evans Jackson fight should be good as well. Hope you get to see that one.

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UFC 93 Weigh-In Results:

Main Event
Rich Franklin (203) vs Dan Henderson (202)

Mark Coleman (206) vs Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (205)
Jeremy Horn (185) vs Rousimar Palhares (184)
Alan Belcher (186) vs Denis Kang (184)
Marcus Davis (169) vs Chris Lytle (171)

Alexandre Barros (170) vs Martin Kampmann (168)
Antonio Mendes (204) vs Eric Schafer (205)
Ivan Serati (204) vs Tomasz Drwal (203)
John Hathaway (171) vs Tom Egan (169)
Dennis Siver (155) vs Nate Mohr (156)

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Rich Franklin (203) vs Dan Henderson (202)
Mark Coleman (206) vs Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (205)
Alan Belcher (186) vs Denis Kang (184)
Marcus Davis (169) vs Chris Lytle (171)

These are the fights I'm most interested in seeing.

I still haven't decided if I'm going to go out to watch it, or wait until it shows up on the MMA vid sites. I don't think I'll bother renting it.

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Decent card. Nothing spectacular except when Kang tapped after beating Belcher pretty good.

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card was pretty boring except the first 2 fights.

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Pretty uneventful. Waiting for GSP vs. Penn!!!

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Just as I thought, Hendo by decision. I really thought Coleman had Shogun in 3 until they got stood up. Then he get KTFO. That was a brutal uppercut that landed flush on Coleman's jaw.

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Churck Liddell vs. Shogun to be the Main Event at UFC 97
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/17...l-vs-shogun-ru

Alongside an Anderson Silva title defense, the co-main event of UFC 97 in Montreal is Chuck Liddell vs. Shogun Rua. The news comes from Dave Meltzer.

If the same Shogun shows up that we saw tonight, it is going to be a short night for him. It's funny to think about what would have happened if Chuck fought Shogun last June. He would have probably won and gone on to a title shot against Griffin and possibly another run on top.

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Affliction Day of Reckoning this weekend here is the fight card

PPV matches
WAMMA Heavyweight Championship bout: Fedor Emelianenko vs. Andrei Arlovski
Heavyweight bout: Josh Barnett vs. Gilbert Yvel
Light Heavyweight bout: Renato Sobral vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Middleweight bout: Matt Lindland vs. Vitor Belfort
Lightweight bout: Chris Horodecki vs. Dan Lauzon
Heavyweight bout: Paul Buentello vs. Kirill Sidelnikov

HDNet matches
Light Heavyweight bout: Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Welterweight bout: Jay Hieron vs. Jason High
Featherweight bout: Bao Quach vs. LC Davis
Featherweight bout: Albert Rios vs. Antonio Duarte
Welterweight bout: Brett Cooper vs. Patrick Speight

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So... GSP vs Penn, thoughts? I watched the half hour show on them the other day, I think GSP is anticipating an improved Penn but I am not sure if Penn has a full understanding of what he is up against. I think GSP will come out on top, I'd like to say that he will demolish BJ but I'm not so sure about that. I sure hope so though!!!!

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I think BJ could win with his striking if GSP is not careful I (a la Matt Serra). A submission is also possible but I think GSP will be able to avoid or muscle his way out.

Overall, both have improved a great deal since their last fight, but I think GSP is better.

I rewatched their first fight. Yeah GSP was bloodied up, but he definitely won the 2nd 2 rounds. Besides, he got eye poked and his nose broke from a skimming uppercut. It looked worse than what is actually was.

GSP round 2 by ground and pound.

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Some good fights this past UFC. Do not agree with the decision, but that second was pretty close. This fight really needed to be a 5 rounder. With fighters of this level they need to be pushed.

edited: Every time I hear Penn talk the more I can't stand the guy. I can only hope GSP beats him down and leaves the Prodigy broken.

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If everything goes according to plan, I will ve at the fight in Vegas for GSP v Penn. I know you are all going to think I am crazy, but I thing B.J. is going to win. GSP wrestling is great, but B.J. has probably the best BJJ for MMa than anyone in the world. The only problem for Penn will be if he cant get GSP off his feet, and that is tough.

I say Penn in 2 via sub...Rear Naked Choke

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I'm sorry but there are plenty of better BJJ than BJ Penn most of them just do not fight in the UFC. To name a couple Shinya Aoki, Ronaldo Souza, and Roger Gracie could all smoke BJ Penn in BJJ and Damien Mia is probably the best BJJ in the UFC.

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I do have to give you Mia...his skill are hot sex on a platter. Aoki is good but gets into trouble alot, and has little takedown skills..Souza is a beast too

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Fedor vs Arlovski Sat. nights people. Don't know who I'm going to pick on this one.:rolleyes: I hope Arlovski puts on a good fight.

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