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kaisersozei 07-28-2009 01:08 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 483323)
Private boards are a myth, much talked and speculated about, but in the end, much like kaiser soze, they just wisps of smoke

Wait, what?









:D

Old Sailor 07-28-2009 01:18 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joan (Post 483325)
:tpd:

I like revenge, a dish best served ice cold in a dark parking lot.

They have parking lots in Canada, don't they?

What's a parking lot??:r:r

pnoon 07-28-2009 01:19 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Sailor (Post 483441)
What's a parking lot??:r:r

They're called freeways in southern California. ;)

zmancbr 07-28-2009 01:27 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Shawn, sorry to hear about you getting the bad end of that deal...

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 483442)
They're called freeways in southern California. ;)

:r That they are... :D

Shawn, sorry to hear about you getting the bad end of that deal...

SilverFox 07-28-2009 01:38 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 483320)

NOW, that doesn't mean the Fox shouldn't get a few well-placed bombs to make up for his loss, I can already see that happening. Derh.

While I appreciate the thought that won't be necessary.

Thanks again to all those with kind words.

icehog3 07-28-2009 01:41 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

md4958 07-28-2009 01:59 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483468)
To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

Tom, in regards to transactions that went bad that were actually conducted privately, not on any boards (ie via email) what is the mods position on TF for that?

For example, I was contacted by Dan via email regarding the sale of some cigars. Fortunately I declined, but had I not I would be in the same boat as Shawn and the other gents here (Tikihut patch aside).

Now, at the time, I was ONLY a member of CA, so that is the only place Dan new me from. Since this was our only common "hang out" would it have been appropriate for feedback to be left on CA?

Obviously, the point is now mute for Dan, but for future reference, clarification might be in helpful.

icehog3 07-28-2009 02:06 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 483489)
Tom, in regards to transactions that went bad that were actually conducted privately, not on any boards (ie via email) what is the mods position on TF for that?

For example, I was contacted by Dan via email regarding the sale of some cigars. Fortunately I declined, but had I not I would be in the same boat as Shawn and the other gents here (Tikihut patch aside).

Now, at the time, I was ONLY a member of CA, so that is the only place Dan new me from. Since this was our only common "hang out" would it have been appropriate for feedback to be left on CA?

Obviously, the point is now mute for Dan, but for future reference, clarification might be in helpful.

Hi Moe,

I would say if the transaction was initiated somehow through CA (PMs, e-mail through CA, etc), then it would be permissable. But I certainly don't think transactions initiated on another board, whether via PMs on that board, or other means, should constitute negative feedback here. Clear as mud? :)

In your case I would think TF would be permissable, because your transaction would have occured through CA to a major degree.

md4958 07-28-2009 02:08 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483501)
Hi Moe,

I would say if the transaction was initiated somehow through CA (PMs, e-mail through CA, etc), then it would be permissable. But I certainly don't think transactions initiated on another board, whether via PMs on that board, or othert means, should constitute negative feedback here. Clear as mud? :)

Gotcha :tu

I was referring to the first instance.

poker 07-28-2009 02:08 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
If transactions are conducted via closed doors (ie: Private PM deal from here or email) I dont see why you cant leave TF on their profile.

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.



edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said :))

icehog3 07-28-2009 02:10 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poker (Post 483506)
If transactions are conducted via closed doors (ie: Private PM deal from here or email) I dont see why you cant leave TF on their profile.

Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.



edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said :))

Great minds, Kelly? ;) :r

poker 07-28-2009 02:12 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
You type mo faster den me. :)

icehog3 07-28-2009 02:22 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by poker (Post 483514)
You type mo faster den me. :)

Fastest two index fingers in the East. ;)

Tikihut27 07-28-2009 02:28 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 483489)
(Tikihut patch aside)

More facts:

1) Dan contacted me in Afghanistan about a GB for a patch back in November 08. I was leaving soon, but hoped to get the patches made by a local vendor in Camp Phoenix before I left. I set up the patch and had a prototype made, then ordered the batch.

2) The vendor was backlogged and couldn't get the patches made before I left country. I was unwilling to stick around in Afghanistan to wait, so I turned the process over to my Tiki Hut replacement, TFphoenix33.

3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

4) I got involved again in February and April as a liason between Dan and TFphoenix33. No money came from Dan, TFphoenix33 was unwilling to front the money (smart man). As far as I know, the patches are still sitting at the embroiderers. Maybe they will still be there by the next time I get sent back to Afghanistan.

5) I am unaware of any refunds for patches, I know even I sent him money for the GB because the final patches were slightly different than the prototype and I wanted one.

6) I am also unaware that any of the troop supporters received anything from the failed GB. Please correct if so.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing :( .

poker 07-28-2009 02:31 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 483534)
7) I feel lousy about the whole thing :( .

I think we all do

Rabidsquirrel 07-28-2009 02:34 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I find it ironic that the guy who gave me a hard time in a PM about calling out a member on a bad transaction screwed so many people.

I think that makes sense.

Old Sailor 07-28-2009 02:38 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 483534)
More facts:

1) Dan contacted me in Afghanistan about a GB for a patch back in November 08. I was leaving soon, but hoped to get the patches made by a local vendor in Camp Phoenix before I left. I set up the patch and had a prototype made, then ordered the batch.

2) The vendor was backlogged and couldn't get the patches made before I left country. I was unwilling to stick around in Afghanistan to wait, so I turned the process over to my Tiki Hut replacement, TFphoenix33.

3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

4) I got involved again in February and April as a liason between Dan and TFphoenix33. No money came from Dan, TFphoenix33 was unwilling to front the money (smart man). As far as I know, the patches are still sitting at the embroiderers. Maybe they will still be there by the next time I get sent back to Afghanistan.

5) I am unaware of any refunds for patches, I know even I sent him money for the GB because the final patches were slightly different than the prototype and I wanted one.

6) I am also unaware that any of the troop supporters received anything from the failed GB. Please correct if so.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing :( .

Wasn't your undoing, Dan never sent the cheque, so no patches.

icehog3 07-28-2009 02:42 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 483534)
3) TFphoenix33 waited for Dan to send a check so he could pick up the patches. Never came. Dan said he had some personal issues and was having trouble getting the check out.

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing :( .

No reason for you to feel lousy, you did everything right. :)

For the record, this is NOT the story Dan told a couple of Mods via PM...he laid all the blame on people in Afghanistan. And I obviously believe yours is the true story.

md4958 07-28-2009 02:46 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 483534)

7) I feel lousy about the whole thing :( .

I hear ya, and I would feel the same way, however I don't think any of us hold you responsible for the failed GB. I cant imagine why you wouldn't want to hang around Afghanistan for another 6 months though :r

I really dont care about the $12, what I'm phucken pissed about is that he would screw people over under the guise that it was for troop support. The members of the GB got screwed, the embroiderer got screwed, and the troops got screwed.

The Poet 07-28-2009 03:14 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
As usual, I have no meaningful comment to add, save to say I am saddened by this whole epic tale - sorry for those who were burned, sorry for the one who thought it was OK to burn others in what was his virtual backyard, and sorry for all the bad karma thus seeded here. The only thing that hurts worse than being taken is when you are taken by someone you considered a friend - you lose not only material possessions, but a piece of your trust and your heart as well.

:(


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