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mosesbotbol 05-30-2011 11:19 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Lamb Shoulder on the WSM. 2 hours into cooking.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...l/DSCN4512.jpg

inside rib shot
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...l/DSCN4514.jpg

OLS 05-30-2011 12:11 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
This is the part of 'what's in your smoker' that I hate. I get all excited at the start of a holiday weekend and smoke out
a crap load of stuff. Then I end up with a fridge full of food, no one to eat it, and hardly any excuse to make more.
Utterly depressing. On the sobriety angle, it DOES give me cause to pull out the stops in that regard. I just Jimmy Buffeted
up a whole pitcher of Acai Daiquiri and put too much ice, so it's PERFECT. I could stand a spoon up in it and MAN is it good
in this heat. Smoked chicken legs with a few BBribs and mashed for for lunch. QUITE freaking good.

pnoon 05-30-2011 12:39 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
2 large Costco sized salmon fillets, 2 beer can chickens.
Ditto on the pics/sobriety. :al

markem 05-30-2011 01:04 PM

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http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/p...pulledpork.jpg

5 lb pork shoulder. Did a wet rub with Penzeys Arizona Dreaming spice mix (and a little adobo spice) yesterday, let it sit in the fridge overnight and am using Newman's Own Light Sundried Tomato salad dressing as the baste today. About 5-6 more hours and then it is pulled pork time.

Muscle relaxants, cheap red wine, a couple good sticks and nice weather means that I won't mind basting this afternoon.

LasciviousXXX 05-30-2011 01:10 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1279147)
Then I end up with a fridge full of food, no one to eat it, and hardly any excuse to make more.
Utterly depressing.

Feel free to overnight some to me :tu

T.G 05-30-2011 01:10 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Well, I screwed up... Was going to bbq the last rack of lamb ribs (denver) that I had in my freezer today, and was planning on just applying a wet paste rub an two hours or so before cooking like I normally do, but changed my mind and decided to whip up a ginger-soy-sesame marinade. Now these won't be going on until at least 4 or 5 so done around 8 or 9. Bah.

Good thing I installed illegal lighting (way brighter than what is allowed by code here) in my back yard.

T.G 05-30-2011 08:04 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Mid cook peek...
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8575/ssglambpeek.jpg

Mid cook snack...
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8792/ssslambsnack2.jpg

T.G 05-31-2011 12:13 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
pre final basting...
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7...glambpeek2.jpg

post final basting...
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/6...bpostbaste.jpg

Almost pulled an OLS and forgot to shoot this one...
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/5526/ssglambfin.jpg

OLS 05-31-2011 06:53 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Yes, but I am also KNOWN for my smoke ring rib shots that a lot of people do not bother with. LOL
I APPROVE!! Freaking nice. I also like the Platanos. I had those up in Spanish Harlem back in the 80s
when my USAF friend and I went to stay at his family Apt on a long weekend. I love em but try not
to fry in the house. I need a burner. I've made em a few times, though. Soaked in salt & pepper water,
fried once, squished then fried a second time. WHAMMO! I guess technically they are tostones.

T.G 05-31-2011 12:02 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Thanks Brad.

So you're soaking them in salt and pepper water? Interesting. I'll have to try that next time I make tostones. I soaked these in cold water in the fridge for a few hours because the last batch, which I did not soak, seemed to have too much starch in it and they really didn't cook the way I wanted them too. These came out the best batch I've made yet - although using a candy thermometer for the oil temp instead of guessing this time probably helped a wee bit :r.

Oh, and yeah, I hear you on the frying indoors. I cook these outside with the side burner on my old gasser. It's the only part of the grill I use anymore, use it for frying stuff and lighting charcoal chimneys. Although I do use the cooking chamber on the gasser for a place to store crap - fire extinguisher, extra grates, ashtray, etc... lol.

OLS 05-31-2011 01:27 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
I only remember when I went to this apartment block on St. Nicholas in NYC, Carlos' mother EITHER soaked
them prior to the first fry, or after the smash. Not very helpful, But I know she used salt and pepper and
warm water. I doubt it was after the smash, that would produce a hail of splatter, so I am thinking pre
first fry. MAYBE post first fry, pre smash. :r Ehhh, I edited the roach story out. Suffice it to say the
building as infested.

fxpose 05-31-2011 04:38 PM

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I did several cooks over the entire weekend, including this Costco salmon on Home Depot cedar. Cedar fencing was not treated but for some reason it did not have that same true cedar plank aroma.

T.G 05-31-2011 04:52 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fxpose (Post 1280156)
I did several cooks over the entire weekend, including this Costco salmon on Home Depot cedar. Cedar fencing was not treated but for some reason it did not have that same true cedar plank aroma.

Is that white cedar?

I think the planks often sold in markets and gourmet shops are typically red cedar which has a stronger aroma.

fxpose 05-31-2011 05:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1280171)
Is that white cedar?

I think the planks often sold in markets and gourmet shops are typically red cedar which has a stronger aroma.

I think that was the case.

forgop 05-31-2011 08:15 PM

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I've eaten way too many BBR's since my smoke on Sunday. 1 full rack Sunday, a half rack for breakfast, lunch, and dinner yesterday, and another full rack for dinner tonight. :tu

Here's the only photo I took of them.

On another note, I think I'm gonna give up on the "fall off the bone" aspect of them. I feel like I'm trying to get them so tender that they seem to get a bit dry in some spots. It might be a bit more chewy off the bone, but I seem to be failing in that aspect. Then again, I don't foil them or anything...and my temps are usually in the 225-235 window for most of the smoke, so it's not that I'm too hot.

forgop 05-31-2011 08:20 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fxpose (Post 1280202)
I think that was the case.

You should probably give these a try:

http://www.amazon.com/Cedar-Grill-Pl...6894569&sr=1-2

I might get some myself. I'm wanting to give Salmon a try, although I'd be more tempted to want to grill it rather than smoke it.

OLS 06-01-2011 07:46 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
For me, and whatever I am doing, it's right, lol, I think that temp is at the low end of HIGH, Duane.
I tend to smoke mine for two hours and cook alone for another hour. My temps never get over 220.
That is a mighty small matter of 10-15 degrees, and might not be the issue at all, but I never have
tough ribs and they are inherently juicy, almost ****ographically so. It might also be the cuts,
I bought some cheap ones at the Super Mercado and they were ALL tough. The rack was almost 3 feet long, lol.
Y'all get a lot of good pork up your way, so that's probably fine, too. I never foil ribs, and nowadays I slap on
sauce after the smoke for that last hour. It might be the cooker, maybe you need to use a much lower temp for
the same time. Your temp might be too concentrated in that small space, great for smoke, bad for heat. :sh

OLS 06-01-2011 07:53 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Also I am gonna guess that you think they are dry in that big chunk of loin meat on top. Have you ever eaten
these boneless pork tenderloins they sell so cheap at the store, it's either one, or two mirrored slabs of perfect
meat in a cryovac pack? No matter how you cook it, it gets dry? Sometimes that carry over slab of meat that gets
cut into the rib racks can get dry and tough, I think it's the same type of meat. The only experience I have with
dry and overly chewy BBR meat was, as I said, the slab I got in the Mexi-market. It was cut slightly different than
my standard BBR racks I get at the supermarket one to a cryo. I thought, "GREAT, this is just that much more meat"
Eh-eh. It was a virtual failure of cookery, using my normal techniques. So the meat was different.

wayner123 06-01-2011 08:40 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1280372)
I've eaten way too many BBR's since my smoke on Sunday. 1 full rack Sunday, a half rack for breakfast, lunch, and dinner yesterday, and another full rack for dinner tonight. :tu

Here's the only photo I took of them.

On another note, I think I'm gonna give up on the "fall off the bone" aspect of them. I feel like I'm trying to get them so tender that they seem to get a bit dry in some spots. It might be a bit more chewy off the bone, but I seem to be failing in that aspect. Then again, I don't foil them or anything...and my temps are usually in the 225-235 window for most of the smoke, so it's not that I'm too hot.

I actually prefer my ribs to NOT fall off the bone. Rib meat that falls off the bone, imo, is overdone and becomes soupy.

However, if you want to achieve it, simply cook the ribs longer. When they reach above 190F you will have them falling off the bone.

fxpose 06-01-2011 10:21 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by forgop (Post 1280379)
You should probably give these a try:

http://www.amazon.com/Cedar-Grill-Pl...6894569&sr=1-2

I might get some myself. I'm wanting to give Salmon a try, although I'd be more tempted to want to grill it rather than smoke it.

Thanks for that link. Yeah, I've been pricing cedar planks and most are quite pricey.
I purchased something similar a couple of years ago at Costco and remember paying less than $15 for about dozen planks. I should check there first.

forgop 06-01-2011 10:32 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1280739)
For me, and whatever I am doing, it's right, lol, I think that temp is at the low end of HIGH, Duane.
I tend to smoke mine for two hours and cook alone for another hour. My temps never get over 220.
That is a mighty small matter of 10-15 degrees, and might not be the issue at all, but I never have
tough ribs and they are inherently juicy, almost ****ographically so. It might also be the cuts,
I bought some cheap ones at the Super Mercado and they were ALL tough. The rack was almost 3 feet long, lol.
Y'all get a lot of good pork up your way, so that's probably fine, too. I never foil ribs, and nowadays I slap on
sauce after the smoke for that last hour. It might be the cooker, maybe you need to use a much lower temp for
the same time. Your temp might be too concentrated in that small space, great for smoke, bad for heat. :sh

I leave my ribs on a LOT longer than you do. The method I pulled off of the virtual weber bullet site was calling more for 4-5 hours of cooking time and that said for 2 lb slabs. I was cooking 3.25 - 3.5# slabs and they were on at 5.5 hours. Granted, I didn't turn them as they were in a rack and in my opinion, that's not overcooking them. The center is nice and juicy, but it just seems like the outermost/thickest part gets a little on the dry side.

As far as sauce goes, is 30 minutes prior to pulling them about the right time?

nofeardiver 06-01-2011 10:42 AM

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i do sauce 30-45 minutes prior to pulling...i usually cook my ribs 4-5 hours as well...

Chainsaw13 06-01-2011 10:51 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
All this talk of ribs has me salivating for some. God I can't wait to get home and fire up the grill/smoker.

357 06-01-2011 11:58 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Got a new charcoal grill so I was thinking about using my old kettly style grill for a smoker. Good tips here that I'm going to try:

http://www.amazingribs.com/tips_and_...ill_setup.html

I'll get some pics when I actually give it a shot.

Chainsaw13 06-01-2011 12:31 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Herf and rib tasting at Mikes!

Hey, this was post 1k for me. Im somebody now. ;)

T.G 06-01-2011 12:56 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1281006)
Got a new charcoal grill so I was thinking about using my old kettly style grill for a smoker. Good tips here that I'm going to try:

http://www.amazingribs.com/tips_and_...ill_setup.html

I'll get some pics when I actually give it a shot.

It'll work. I'm doing something similar but using firebricks rather than water pans. Fuel capacity is a bit less than ideal for long cooks (8+hr), but that's more a function of the way I cut the firebricks and how much room they take up than it is anything else.

Chainsaw13 06-01-2011 01:03 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Adam, where did you get your firebricks? I want some for my Bradley to help maintain a more consistent heat, plus some for my over to bake on.

357 06-01-2011 01:11 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
I'm new to all this. Firebricks?

Chainsaw13 06-01-2011 01:12 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Firebricks are the type of brick used generally in lining a fireplace. They can withstand a lot of heat without cracking/exploding. They also make a great baking stone because of their thickness and thermal capacity.

357 06-01-2011 01:15 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
So in this situation firebricks would be used to absorb heat in order to help regulate it (in place of the water pan) ?

OLS 06-01-2011 01:21 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 588391)
At the risk of embarrasment in comparason to what you've got going in your pit...


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/263...ledchicken.jpg

ooooh, baby this picture is the one that gets me HOAR-neee.
I always wondered if you chopped up the chicken skin and liberally dispersed it through the meat.

ucla695 06-01-2011 01:35 PM

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^ ^ Great pic of how to set-up fire bricks in a kettle smoker too.

T.G 06-01-2011 01:48 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1281068)
Adam, where did you get your firebricks? I want some for my Bradley to help maintain a more consistent heat, plus some for my over to bake on.

I bought them at my local ACE hardware's rock, concrete and gravel yard. They only had the 2-1/2" x 4-1/2" x 9", but I suspect that is a local demand issue. There is also a 1-1/2" x 4-1/2" x 9" tile that is fairly common (just not here).

The 1-1/2" wouldn't have really worked well for me, since they would have been tipping over constantly, but laid flat or wedged upright they work fine (see the photos of Mark's old gas grill that was turned into a gas smoker).

There are other sizes, but you have to look around to find them.

T.G 06-01-2011 01:57 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1281084)
So in this situation firebricks would be used to absorb heat in order to help regulate it (in place of the water pan) ?

Yes - although they work differently than the water. The water is more of just a heatsink to reduce temps a bit. The firebricks are more of a buffer to regulate changes.

I found that with the firebricks and the intake vents closed on the 22.5 OTG, (exhaust 100% open) I can maintain right around 220F cook chamber temp, so I had no need for the water, which really does nothing most of the time anyway (except make a mess when you need to move it to add coals or wood).

T.G 06-01-2011 02:00 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1281091)
ooooh, baby this picture is the one that gets me HOAR-neee.
I always wondered if you chopped up the chicken skin and liberally dispersed it through the meat.

Awh schucks, thanks. :blushing smiley:

I don't remember how I finished them or what I did with the skin. I do remember that I did look back and feel that had I overloaded the pit a bit. should have done a dozen, 15 was too much I felt.

T.G 06-01-2011 02:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ucla695 (Post 1281100)
^ ^ Great pic of how to set-up fire bricks in a kettle smoker too.

I think I have some better photos in this thread, let me see if I can find them...

--EDIT: These show it a bit better --

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8077/firebricks3.jpg
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6930/firebricks2.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6800/firebricks1.jpg

I used an angle grinder with a masonary disc to round the edges/corners to fit the curve of the kettle, it's by no means necessary, but since I had the tools and disc already, I did it. If you do something similar, make sure you wear goggles and a dust mask, firebrick is very soft and it flies everywhere when you cut or grind it.

357 06-01-2011 02:15 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
That's awesome. Seems like a better solution than the water pan. Anything I specific I should look for if I wanted to pick some up (beside the right size to fit)? Are they easy to shape to fit that rounded bottom?

LostAbbott 06-01-2011 02:22 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1275943)
Well, there is something to be said for being early, especially on a holiday weekend. BUT it is not good for the food in this case.
I smoked some bacon this evening, and on the bad side, I needed this ready for a friend tomorrow, so I pulled it a day or even
two early from the salting container, and I even pulled it early off the smoker. I smoked my last batch for 6 hours+ and it was
phenomenal. This won't be terrible, but it is a little flabby in terms of shrinkage that you like to see. It was cured with only
kosher salt and brown sugar for 2 days. It looked great when I cut it, and smelled as good, but again, flabby. Couple that with
the fact that the way I get this belly meat for now is cut into these sections you see here. NOT a full belly, which will tend to
make it a bit salty, since there are so many sides in contact with the salt...I DO like how it makes up in the pan, though, the half
slices or even third-slice size, makes it very easy to cook well.

BLABLABLA, and I also cooked a dozen chicken legs that I needed to finish in the oven, as the bacon needs to cook just below
actual cooking temps to smoke and not cook. AND NOW, pics............

Nice looking Bacon, How much a pound are you paying for belly out there in TN? I have so far only found it for about $4.50 a pound and that is a little ridiculous to me...

T.G 06-01-2011 02:27 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1281146)
That's awesome. Seems like a better solution than the water pan. Anything I specific I should look for if I wanted to pick some up (beside the right size to fit)? Are they easy to shape to fit that rounded bottom?

Nope - just the size. All you need is basic fire bricks, any decent masonry supply should have them.

Very easy to shape, the bricks are very soft. I did it by eye with a 4" angle grinder and a masonry disc because I had them, but you could do it just as easily with a metal grinding disc, a belt sander or a rasp. Just go slow, wear goggles and a mask, the compound turns to powder very quickly and flies everywhere.

Oh and I've since added a "seal" of crushed down foil between the edge of the foiled coal grate area and the side of the kettle to better control & regulate the air flow.

OLS 06-01-2011 07:00 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Mychal, I paid 2.49 lb for the pieces, but again, these butter dish sized pieces are 'basically' unacceptable to me,
even though this will make ten lbs total I have smoked and cured, lol. I have some on now, but when I went out to
check on it, the coals were still kicking too well, so I left em on for at least another 30 mins. Pics in about that time.

LostAbbott 06-01-2011 08:17 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Brad-

Yeah I got to a butcher for my belly and they sell it in about 10lb slabs. I have only done twenty lbs. so far and the first was in a brine, that made basically candy bacon. It was great, but I need to try something simpler. I think I am just going to do salt, brown sugar, and pepper...

OLS 06-02-2011 07:11 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LostAbbott (Post 1281478)
Brad-

Yeah I got to a butcher for my belly and they sell it in about 10lb slabs. I have only done twenty lbs. so far and the first was in a brine, that made basically candy bacon. It was great, but I need to try something simpler. I think I am just going to do salt, brown sugar, and pepper...

I would love to hear what the details of 'candy bacon' are. How it comes to get that name.
My best batch was peppery and garlicky, which somewhat inhibited the smoke, but made
for good meat in the end. I sliced up my batch from last night, that slicer is going to pay for itself
fast, considering my landlady thinks it is in storage and I am using it full tilt, lol. I am going to start
dealing with a butcher for true slabs. Ironically, I do not need to be messing with bacon now, I need
to drop 30-40 lbs before I start planning the perfect bacon. I am at a critical stage now on weight,
teetering at the edge of non-obesity but loaded with potential. It's getting too close.

LostAbbott 06-02-2011 10:27 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1281891)
I would love to hear what the details of 'candy bacon' are. How it comes to get that name.
My best batch was peppery and garlicky, which somewhat inhibited the smoke, but made
for good meat in the end. I sliced up my batch from last night, that slicer is going to pay for itself
fast, considering my landlady thinks it is in storage and I am using it full tilt, lol. I am going to start
dealing with a butcher for true slabs. Ironically, I do not need to be messing with bacon now, I need
to drop 30-40 lbs before I start planning the perfect bacon. I am at a critical stage now on weight,
teetering at the edge of non-obesity but loaded with potential. It's getting too close.


I did a 7 day molasses brine. It was a take off Alton Browns recipe.

2 cup sugar
2 cup salt
16 oz molasses
1 gallon water
1 gallon apple cider
4 tbl black pepper
10 lbs pork belly (center cut)

I then heavily smoked it for 8 hours, heavy meaning there was always smoking coming off the wet cherry wood.

Chainsaw13 06-02-2011 11:48 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
8 hours of heavy smoke? Was that too much?

OLS 06-02-2011 01:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1282173)
Was that too much?

Turned it into CAN-dy.:noon

OLS 06-02-2011 03:32 PM

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alright, a day late but here is some bacon, in the worst possible format.
But man, did my new slicer get it DONE!

cricky101 06-03-2011 08:27 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
If the rain holds off I'm going to try a turkey breast offset in the Weber performer tonight. I've done whole chickens before, but not a turkey breast. I've got some cherry wood chunks and Plowboy's rub that should be really good with it

357 06-03-2011 08:38 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
where do you get good wood/woodchips for smoking?

nofeardiver 06-03-2011 08:41 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
what temp do you do a turkey i thought it was bad to do a turkey to low?

MarkinAZ 06-03-2011 08:42 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1283430)
where do you get good wood/woodchips for smoking?

Lowe's out here in Valencia has a good selection of bagged wood chips in Mesquite, Hickory, and Apple. You can check them and your local Home Depot.

For larger chunks, you may have to peruse a place that sells fire wood:2


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