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What makes a cigar that's goes out for an hour and you come come back to it bitter?

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The gases in the cigar that got left inside when the cigar went out. It is always best to purge (blow through it) if you know you are going to set it down for a bit.

Also, when you pick up a cigar that has been sitting you should purge it a time or two before re-lighting.

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My butt itches.

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Great explanation, thanks brother!

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Only determinable by the set APR of the GNU. Without that, you'll end up paying prime plus 3%. And either way you look at it, it's a lose-lose for all Bjorks involved.

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What the heck are you guys talking about? :confused:

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where do i sign up for the credit card?

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One must have good and true chi before applying for the cards. Only amazing energy can withstand the spending power of the GNUs.

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Well, I do love me some lamp! Killed a guy with a trident once, too.

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I notice a lot of you who store cigars in large humidors right in there boxes and wondered if that allowed them to be stable in RH properly?

Also I see some here store cigars in plastic vacuum bags and if that allowed them to be stable in RH properly also?

Thanks :tu

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I think most people use boxes just to simplify the storage of their cigars. Also, keeping the cigars in the original boxes allows you to remember what they are and maybe when you got them (e.g., in the case of CC's there are box codes and dates on the boxes; not sure how many NC manufacturers do this). The cedar in these boxes may add to the flavor of a cigar if it is stored (aged) for a long period of time. Not sure that there is any value to the cardboard boxes othen than what I stated above.

I am not sure what you are referring to regarding plastic vacuum bags. I know some people put their cigars in 1, 3 or five "finger" bags -- Ziploc-like bags that have slots (fingers) for cigar storage.

I know alot of people that use five finger bags for safe storage during travels as they are very good at protecting your cigars. Some people also use these in their humidor -- both opened and closed. If the bags are in my humidor they are open.

Just my :2

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Like this, thanks brother!
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/pictur...pictureid=8010

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Doesn't vacuum package do opposite of what you would want? Although the RH would be somewhat stable over a long period, the air helps age the cigar doesn't it? There is zero air transfer here. As the cigar ages, it can still give off ammonia so that would be locked into the cigar. Plus if the stick is shipped to me wet, I don't want it in a vacuum bag wet. I want it to stabilize at the RH I like to smoke them at.

For me, I keep sticks in boxes for long term storage because I believe it manages RH fluctuations better because of the wood (also smells nice) and my humi's are for 5'ers and singles.

Just my theory anyway.

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I was wondering about the zero air transfer issue, maybe for cigars that has already bend resting for awhile and maybe for transport in your luggage but sure would be great to stop or kill any beetles

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Hmmm, I don't think it will stop a beetle from hatching as all the air isn't removed and there is plenty for a little bug to survive for a while. It would stop the spread for sure but I would rather just freeze my sticks for a short time and be done with it.

It would be good for transport though but have a little 5 Herf-a-dor for that.

Good topic.

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The vacuum sealed bag would certainly not do any harm to the beetle eggs either, so beetles could still be a problem.

Also, I would worry that the vaccum sealing process could damage the cigars. Some cigar wrappers are very fragile.

Last, I would never transport cigars in my luggage. I always use a travel humidor of some sort and always keep it with me.

Again, just my :2

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Will stored cigars in box with cellophane wrapping really get proper RH control?

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Yes.

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How dose humidity penetrate properly

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Cellophane is porous so allows both air and moisture to pass through.

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From what I understand the cellophane is porous and not completely sealed; therefore allowing the cigars to acculmate to their surrounding rH

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Both wood and cello are porous.

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FYI, cellophane is not plastic; it is a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose. Cellulose from wood, cotton, hemp or other sources is dissolved and then extruded into cellulose.

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So why I see full boxes in large humidors seasoning happily, thanks all!

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In the book "The Ultimate Cigar Book" by Richard Hacker on page 80

Seems very much right to me

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There is also the fact it protects your cigars over many years, I'm sorry but there are some aged cigars in cello that are pure **** and the fact that they are in perfect condition after 30 or 40 or even 50 yrs is yet another reason to leave them in the cello. There are some Davis in another thread in cello that are :dr

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Cello saves sticks. In more ways than one.

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Here's a question, AF Anejos are my fav NC and have been smoking a LOT of them lately I've had 5 recently out of a box from '11 and 2 of them were tar monsters!! The other 3 have smoked beautifully. What is the deal with that? Is it weather? RH outside? Bum sticks(doubt it they smoked fine just ridiculous amounts of tar oozing out) wasnt a one cut and solved the problem, after my third cut i had to chuck it! Any one with knowledge on this matter would be greatly appreciated thanks!!

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Well could be from different things, do you use a punch or a V or straight cut. I looked this up once and it's hard to actually find info (at least I didn't), I did find this that someone printed from a manufacturer who contacted a factory.

“This grotesque syrup is somewhat of an enigma. We assume that it is sap left inside the stem of the leaf which doesn’t evaporate during fermentation. It is extremely rare, but by far one of the most pungent and foul substances of the world. It has been my experience that cutting below the ooze usually ends the matter.”

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Do what you want. They're your cigars.

BTW, who the frack is this Dick Hacker guy and where is the research to support his assertions? While we're at it, what are his qualifications? Ohh, he has book with "ultimate" in the title, sounds impressive.

I think I'm going to write a book called "The Uber Cigar Book".

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Judging a man by his name and title of his book is foolish considering his been all over the world to about every manufacture and rolling facility before writing his book and years of experience, and you? consider reading it first before having a knee jerk judgment

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It's not a knee-jerk judgement, it's sardonically pointing out that he presents no quantifiable facts or evidence to support his statements of opinion, which he touts as fact.

Sorry this all went over your head.

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ignore list?

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:po

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Being that cello is porous, I disagree with Mr. Hacker's assertion. And I disagree even more through my own experience with celloed cigars, I have smoked cigars that were decades old and kept in cello, and they aged wonderfully....the aging process was not halted. :2

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I also think whats important is not to take the quote of 2 small paragraphs of a 200 plus page book as the final judgement of someones entire experience and knowledge ether :2

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I didn't make any judgement of Mr. Hacker's experience or knowledge, I just say I disagree with the quote you posted. Guy might have forgotten more than I know about cigars for all I know, but I thnk he's wrong about cello halting the aging of cigars, based on my knowledge and experience.

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http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps82a2f79b.jpg

This guy is never wrong!

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+1. Back when I was starting, I used to remove the cigars from the cello as they looked so much better in the humi "naked". Then I damaged the foot on a few of them while moving things around. Since then, I keep the cello on.

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There is nothing wrong with aging in cello. It is porous and will allow air/humidity exchange. Cello also protects wrappers.

Some sealed plastic bags are also used for aging. If the cigars are at the right RH when sealed, they stay about at that RH while sealed. You do have to open the bags and reseal once in a while because air exchange is important, at least according to many experts.

Boxes and cabs inside humidors and coolers allow for air/RH exchange because the boxes and cabs are porous.

Interestingly, cigars stored in a singles drawer (or open containers) seem to often suffer from having one side with more humidity than the other and can often lead to what many call "canoeing" when smoked.

Finally, tossing out a random quote from someone who wrote a book without providing any information about why the quote should be considered worthy will pretty much always generate sardonic responses for both the quote and the person who thought that tossing out a random quote would somehow convince the world and/or give them cred.

The person who wrote this "ultimate" guide has it all wrong on cello as pretty much all experts and collectors with deep experience will tell you. Actually aging in cello (as many, many here have done) simply proves him wrong. Is there another random quote from the book that explains why his opinion is the correct one in the face of so much evidence to the contrary?

Aging in or out of cello is a preference, not a "do" or "do not" as is aging in a box or a bag or a finely controlled walk in humidor costing tens of thousands of dollars. Ask polite questions, try not to start arguments until you get real experience, and then do what you want provided it gives you the results that you are looking for.

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Your judging a person by what they look like?

People that criticize always think there right because there not doing anything

Laughably

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I think it's time to put the shovel down.
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I think the one thing most have missed on the quote in question. The author said it is his preference. Actually I think it was more like "as I prefer." I havent had the luxury of travelling to any manufacturers but have spoken with a couple of brand owners who both said they prefer to age unwrapped but aging in celo is fine also its just a matter of preference. They both also mentioned that the celo is more a protectant than anything else and that wrapped or not wrapped we all should rotate our stock at least once a month to make sure they stay balanced instead of one side too moist creating "canoeing" I think it was called.

I think I agree with the majority here that there is a lot of evidence to show aging in celo is just fine.

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I think most people are disagreeing with the author's statement:
This quote may have been taken out of context, but the way the OP posted it, the statement is clearly in conflict with the experience of many people. The statement was posted as fact, when clearly it is not fact. It is the author's opinion and should have been posted as such, not as a fact.

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Sorry, but no. His assertion was touted as fact.
"As cello will considerably slow down and even halt the otherwise continuous aging process."

Then he went on to give his preference, to which everyone (except the person who posted it, who seems to think we should all bow to the author) has agreed "do what you want."

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Sorry guess I missed the punctuation in his statement. Never heard of the ultimate author before and I read almost everything I can find about cigars to help with mine. Before today I had always read and heard it was a matter or preference.

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I bet the author will likely say you can't keep cigars fresh in an end table of your bedroom set. Bet he says you need a humidor.
Someone would then need to tell that to my dad, who for many years in Cuba kept them in a night table, with no seals, no cedar, with nothing more than a remikin with a wet sea sponge, no different than the rest of fellow Cubans did.
Does that make the author right because he has traveled the world?

Point of this analogy is it is an opinion and in the opinion of many, aging in cello is fine and works for them. We shouldn't be Jim Jones followers and drink the Kool Ade 'cause he said so.

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