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Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GKitty (Post 78700)
I hate when I have to agree with Darrell, but in this case, I must.

Ain't gonna happen.

you have a different reason for saying it then Darrell :r

Darrell 11-20-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GKitty (Post 78700)
I hate when I have to agree with Darrell, but in this case, I must.

Hater. :tg

SmokeyJoe 11-20-2008 04:49 PM

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LOVED Hale's beatdown on that sycophant ATF Agent... and Darrell is right (as usual! :D ) - Jax is gonna bring the pain to Tig - and only one will walk away.

Bye, Tig. ;)

Appreciate the explanation on Tig's bloody forehead - I missed the mirror crash, I guess.

Question is - where will Clay come out on this? He is as culpable as Tig - how far will Jax's rage go?! Big confrontations coming.

Be interesting to see what happens with Opie's character too... is he hollowed out inside, or will he become the most hardcore of the bunch, driven by a seething hatred and desire for revenge? Wow... :ss

Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 04:50 PM

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:confused: where did I say they were going to kill Jax?

Darrell 11-20-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 78961)
Question is - where will Clay come out on this? He is as culpable as Tig - how far will Jax's rage go?! Big confrontations coming.

I wonder man. I know things will be ugly, but Jax won't kill Clay and vice versa. It's too early in the show to kill off 2 of the most influential main characters. I think Jax will kill Tig and confront Clay and Clay will act as if Tig acted without his permission, since the only 2 who knew about it were Tig and Clay and with Tig in the ground, whose to question it?

All speculation of course. :2

Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 78972)
I wonder man. I know things will be ugly, but Jax won't kill Clay and vice versa. It's too early in the show to kill off 2 of the most influential main characters. I think Jax will kill Tig and confront Clay and Clay will act as if Tig acted without his permission, since the only 2 who knew about it were Tig and Clay and with Tig in the ground, whose to question it?

All speculation of course. :2

I'm saying anything, you are right :tg

Darrell 11-20-2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 78975)
I'm saying anything, you are right :tg

:r

What are you griping about now?

Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 78978)
:r

What are you griping about now?

:hm is there enough server space to tell you:r

Darrell 11-20-2008 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 78982)
:hm is there enough server space to tell you:r

What do YOU think is going to happen, Perry?

Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 78986)
What do YOU think is going to happen, Perry?

I wonder man. I know things will be ugly, but Jax won't kill Clay and vice versa. It's too early in the show to kill off 2 of the most influential main characters. I think Jax will kill Tig and confront Clay and Clay will act as if Tig acted without his permission, since the only 2 who knew about it were Tig and Clay and with Tig in the ground, whose to question it?
:D now we both are right :dance:

SmokeyJoe 11-20-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 78972)
I wonder man. I know things will be ugly, but Jax won't kill Clay and vice versa. It's too early in the show to kill off 2 of the most influential main characters. I think Jax will kill Tig and confront Clay and Clay will act as if Tig acted without his permission, since the only 2 who knew about it were Tig and Clay and with Tig in the ground, whose to question it?

All speculation of course. :2

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 78989)
I wonder man. I know things will be ugly, but Jax won't kill Clay and vice versa. It's too early in the show to kill off 2 of the most influential main characters. I think Jax will kill Tig and confront Clay and Clay will act as if Tig acted without his permission, since the only 2 who knew about it were Tig and Clay and with Tig in the ground, whose to question it?
:D now we both are right :dance:

Great minds think alike.... :ss

So... which is the REAL Darrell? You know, you can get a time-out for one person trying to sign-up using two accounts. :r

Ron1YY 11-20-2008 05:19 PM

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Here is how I think it will play out.

Tigg and Jax will throw down and HARD.

Clay knows he is in a bad spot. He finds out where the witness is for Bobby.

To keep him self clear of all this, He sends Tigg to do the deed.

Tigg gets it done, but gets smoke checked by the feds as he does this.(Clay stays in the clear).

Opie turns inward and becomes a very dark and violent character. Becomes the Sgt. of Arms for SAMCRO(Ironically, taking over Tigg's place)

Either the end of this season, or beginning of next, Clay makes moves to step down and sit at the table to advise Jax.

From there(If it plays out that way) I can't figure any further.

Genetic Defect 11-20-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron1YY (Post 79039)
Here is how I think it will play out.

Tigg and Jax will throw down and HARD.

Clay knows he is in a bad spot. He finds out where the witness is for Bobby.

To keep him self clear of all this, He sends Tigg to do the deed.

Tigg gets it done, but gets smoke checked by the feds as he does this.(Clay stays in the clear).

Opie turns inward and becomes a very dark and violent character. Becomes the Sgt. of Arms for SAMCRO(Ironically, taking over Tigg's place)

Either the end of this season, or beginning of next, Clay makes moves to step down and sit at the table to advise Jax.

From there(If it plays out that way) I can't figure any further.

Darrell is right

Ken 11-21-2008 07:12 AM

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This is going to get nasty and I'm not talking about the dirty with Jax's wife. I'm kind of disappointed with his decision with the ladies, but I believe that is a clear indication of the direction he's going.

icehog3 11-22-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 78422)
I really hope Jax kills Tig, though I doubt he will.

I really hope not...I think a character like Tig adds to the show, and I would miss him if he was gone.

Maybe that gives you all some insight into my sick, twisted mind. :r


Glad I finally got around to seeing the new episode last night, it was killing me to not open this thread!

jkorp 11-22-2008 01:32 PM

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Killer episode. It was just so well done, from the opening scenes of the SAMCRO world waking, to the end of the show as the sunset.

I don't think Tig will be killed off yet, his character is to valuable to the story. I think Jax and him will hit hard, but in the end both alive. I don't know about Clay stepping down yet. He is driven, and hooked on selling guns. I can't see him handing over the throne yet.

I think Jax very well could kill Clay, especially if he finds out that he was behind Donna's death, and possibly his fathers. You can see the tension between them already, constantly butting heads.

One things for sure, Clay sure screwed the pooch in many ways now. Got double crossed by the Niners and I'm sure the peace with the Mayans is fragile if not gone. The rifts he just created with the Donna incident I think will solidify Jax's intent on taking SAMCRO in another direction.

Going to be good next week and next seasons.

Ken 11-24-2008 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jkorp (Post 82135)
I think Jax very well could kill Clay, especially if he finds out that he was behind Donna's death, and possibly his fathers.

Umm, I don't think Clay killed Jax's father. Maybe Clay killed the guy that Jax's knew as his father, but not his father. Following me here! In one of the early episodes his mother told Clay, "Jax might be following in the wrong fathers footsteps", when Jax pulled out the journals and started questioning the gun running. That quote might not be verbatim, but darn close.

icehog3 11-25-2008 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken (Post 85628)
Umm, I don't think Clay killed Jax's father. Maybe Clay killed the guy that Jax's knew as his father, but not his father. Following me here! In one of the early episodes his mother told Clay, "Jax might be following in the wrong fathers footsteps", when Jax pulled out the journals and started questioning the gun running. That quote might not be verbatim, but darn close.

I thought she was implying that Clay was also a "father" to Jax. :confused:

Mark C 11-25-2008 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 85906)
I thought she was implying that Clay was also a "father" to Jax. :confused:

That's how I took it, though it wouldn't be hard to make a case for the other interpretation.

I agree that episode was particularly well done, kinda reminded me of the last Soprano's episode. Definitely going to be interesting to see where this goes. It's almost like they're getting ready to split the club in half.

But on the other hand, I still don't think the whole 'Opie is a rat' thing was too plausible. If he was the rat, he had more than enough info to lockup the club, and the feds would have had no reason to throw him back onto the streets. Just the fact that he WAS on the streets should have been enough to keep him alive, maybe at most put him in a SAMCRO lockdown of some sort.

Ken 11-25-2008 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 85906)
I thought she was implying that Clay was also a "father" to Jax. :confused:

I betting they had an affair and Clay is the biological father. If Clay actually killed him then that would make a pretty good reason for doing so.

jkorp 11-25-2008 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 85906)
I thought she was implying that Clay was also a "father" to Jax. :confused:

:tpd:

I doubt that Clay is his father. Why keep the secret? I took it as Clay has been the real and only father figure in his life, for most of his life.

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Originally Posted by Ken (Post 86095)
I betting they had an affair and Clay is the biological father. If Clay actually killed him then that would make a pretty good reason for doing so.

I think Clay killed Jax's father because he wanted to take the club a different direction, just as Jax does. I'm guessing that what ever went on created a big rift between him and Clay, that did not end well. Clay is a straight up Outlaw, 1% through and through. He doens't even want to consider earning legit.

Darrell 11-25-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jkorp (Post 86350)
:tpd:

I doubt that Clay is his father. Why keep the secret? I took it as Clay has been the real and only father figure in his life, for most of his life.

That is what I was thinking.

Ron1YY 11-26-2008 07:58 PM

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Ok, Here we go!!!!! I'm hoping for better than last night :tu

Darrell 11-26-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron1YY (Post 89128)
Ok, Here we go!!!!! I'm hoping for better than last night :tu

x2, brother. :tu

icehog3 11-27-2008 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron1YY (Post 89128)
Ok, Here we go!!!!! I'm hoping for better than last night :tu

Well, what did you think? :D

Ron1YY 11-27-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 89591)
Well, what did you think? :D

It was a great ending to the season and left all kinds of posiblities for season 2.

With the seeming knowledge that Clay is going to step down soon, And Jax making a statement to Tigg physically, Season 2 is going to Rock!!!!

Don't want to say too much incase people didn't catch it last night

SmokeyJoe 11-27-2008 09:31 AM

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Enjoyed last night's episode... and it left me wanting more - as it should. Really not sure how the fight resolved anything... just a message, perhaps? And knowing that THEY know that HE knows ( :r ) really makes me wonder how they will deal with it.

Will there be a change in leadership? And if so, how can they do it without it becoming bloody? With Bobby "Elvis" knowing the truth - where will his loyalties lie? What will Gemma do?

Piney showed some old-school cojones and I thought that scene at the end with Jax was a nice set-up for next season. This show is my favorite! :ss

Ron1YY 11-27-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 89607)
Really not sure how the fight resolved anything... just a message, perhaps?

Piney showed some old-school cojones and I thought that scene at the end with Jax was a nice set-up for next season. This show is my favorite! :ss

I think the message Jax got across was that HE will run the club soon, and that Tigg WILL respect him and his decisions. He also made a point that things CAN be done without killing. As the sign and his father said "Brains before Bullets"

Piney Showed that Old School Bikers and Vets are NOT to be messed with and WILL do what they see as necessary.

Great Show and Great episode!!!! the B!tch part is the long @zz wait until next season

Genetic Defect 11-27-2008 11:33 AM

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the world clay knows is tumbling down.

Ron1YY 11-27-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 89763)
the world clay knows is tumbling down.

I'd say the world Gemma knows is crumbling. 3 things to point that out.

1. Tara gave Jax his CUT at the funeral and he made a point to show everyone there who he wants to be with Including Gemma.

2. The scene with Gemma and Clay when she told him to be the man they expect, and as he walked away, Gemma said something like "Just like John".

3. The look on her face at the end when they saw Jax with the envelope standing in front of the grave.

Genetic Defect 11-27-2008 11:51 AM

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The world they both built may implode, and when am original says it's time for change that's huge. Can't wait for season two now :bh

Ron1YY 11-27-2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 89780)
The world they both built may implode, and when am original says it's time for change that's huge. Can't wait for season two now :bh

That's what I'm talking about Bro!!!!!!!

Darrell 11-27-2008 12:46 PM

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This was a great season finale, IMO.

I really cannot wait for the next season.

I think Clay's reign is going to come to an end next season and their is going to be a mutiny with Jax as the leader. You know Piney and Opie will follow Jax, I have a feeling that Chibs and the guy with the head tattoos will as well.

Since The Shield is over, this is my favorite show. :tu

Genetic Defect 11-27-2008 12:48 PM

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Darrell is right :D

SonsofClubDeck 11-27-2008 12:58 PM

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really enjoyed this last episode. as many have said, there are so many open doors for the next season. did anyone else catch that the homeless girl was the one from an earlier episode? i can't wait for the next season. i think i'm going to go fight someone now.

Genetic Defect 11-27-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SonsofClubDeck (Post 89826)
really enjoyed this last episode. as many have said, there are so many open doors for the next season. did anyone else catch that the homeless girl was the one from an earlier episode? i can't wait for the next season. i think i'm going to go fight someone now.

that is Jax sister :r

SonsofClubDeck 11-27-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 89829)
that is Jax sister :r

oh wow. what if?????? good catch on that one. we'll see what happens.

Genetic Defect 11-27-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SonsofClubDeck (Post 89836)
oh wow. what if?????? good catch on that one. we'll see what happens.

I don't know if it is his sister but it adds to the mystery

Darrell 11-27-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 89820)
Darrell is right :D

:r

Thanks Perry.

jkorp 11-27-2008 07:10 PM

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Great friggin episode!

I don't know.... As much as we'd all like to see Jax take the lead, I don't think it will lend to the show to well.

"SOA, an MC that earns legit and doesn't get dirty anymore." Doesn't sound like a show that will pick up a 3rd season.

I think what ever is going to happen, Clay will be around for a long time. I could be dead wrong, but it just seems that way. Now I do think things are going to get REAL hot this next season.

As for Tig, he got his ass beat, but I don't think it was enough to line him up with Jax yet. Bobby, that is an interesting twist. You could tell we was hurt bad, and knows what really happened. I think what ever his feelings are, he'll fall in line if Clay says so.


When does the next season start :c

Mark C 11-27-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jkorp (Post 90074)
"SOA, an MC that earns legit and doesn't get dirty anymore." Doesn't sound like a show that will pick up a 3rd season.

I think you're right, but a show describing the Jax's struggles of trying to make the club legit, while coping with internal power struggles, skeletons from the past, and external enemies could be pretty interesting.

They've done a good job of making Jax a likeable character, I think next season we'll see him have to deal with a lot of crap that lands at his doorstep. I'm guessing he'll find himself and SAMCRO stuck between a rock and a hard place, and as much as he'd like to stay legit, the alternative may be the only way to survive. The old 'good guy, bad situation' kind of story.

BarneyBandMan 11-29-2008 03:35 PM

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Yeah---SoA needs to keep its edge (meaning Jax struggles with the idea of a legit club while Mayans and Niners and trying-to-keep-it-together Clay storylines make it virtually impossible).

And what of a legit club? I don't think many want to watch the trials and travails of a local garage shop dealing with the weighty issues of overpriced plugs and EPA oil-disposal-fines. Tony Soprano working the local distributors for the best fuel prices for his trash trucks? Naahh...

Oh, and btw--I'm now flipping on some Kanye. Why? Those Nip/Tuck trailers during the commercials. The theme song always playing. Da*n I like that song they are playing. My daughter let me know on Thursday that its a Kanye song. Been playing it over and over....

GKitty 11-30-2008 11:36 PM

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I've been waiting since Wednesday to get caught up on this episode and even with all that anticipation, I was still not disappointed.

This was a great season finale. I agree with most of the theories and conjectures you guys have made.

Big question is now: When's the next season?

icehog3 12-01-2008 08:01 AM

Re: Weekly discussion for "Sons of Anarchy"
 
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Originally Posted by GKitty (Post 93564)
I've been waiting since Wednesday to get caught up on this episode and even with all that anticipation, I was still not disappointed.

This was a great season finale. I agree with most of the theories and conjectures you guys have made.

Big question is now: When's the next season?

Summer 2009. :bh

GKitty 12-02-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 93760)
Summer 2009. :bh

crap-tastic... guess I'll have to find something else to amuse me until then.

SmokeyJoe 12-02-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GKitty (Post 96062)
crap-tastic... guess I'll have to find something else to amuse me until then.

Last few episodes on Hulu... maybe reruns? :(

I will miss the show too. :ss

Gophernut 12-03-2008 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 93760)
Summer 2009. :bh

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:bh:bh:bh

Flatsix 12-03-2008 10:48 AM

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Day late and a dollar short.

I watched what I found out to be the last show of the season:bh.

This looks like a great series, hopefully I can do some catch up until next season. Looks like there was 12 episodes in all, I'm sure that FX will run them in reruns.

SonsofClubDeck 12-03-2008 12:00 PM

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my room mates and I are watching Nacho Libre and cooking up some Mexican to try to fill in the gaping hole that SOA left in our Wednesday nights. I know we're all trying to make it through til' next summer. I believe we can do it together.

Darrell 12-03-2008 09:25 PM

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Jesus NOTHING GOOD is on T.V. right now. :(


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