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It is my humble opinion that the reason Apple products are so popular with many folks is the exact same reason that they are equally despised by others.

Apple products are designed with a specific, targeted, but very limited feature set. They are not flexible. You will do it their way, or not at all. IN RETURN FOR THAT, what they do always works, with very few errors. Conflicts, debugging, driver issues, multiple source issues, all those things are significantly reduced.

Furthermore, by simplifying the interface so much, Apple ensures that the greatest number of people can use it with the greatest amount of success. It will forever be hobbled by that simplicity, but the vast majority of people never demand more, so why should they care?

Steve'o gets to build an empire charging inflated prices BECAUSE as any good businessman will tell you, its the price the market will bear. Clearly people are willing to pay for what Apple offers, and its certainly NOT a "rich feature set" they are paying for, its the very LACK of a feature set (disguised as simplicity) that people are willing to pay for.

My hatred of Apple products will never change, because I will always demand greater flexibility, and I will always be willing to accept the trade-off that it will come with the bugs and flaws inherent in windows/android/whatever software. I recognize that you can't have one without the other and I am at peace with that.

Apple fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that their beloved products ARE LIMITED in what they can do. You paid premium $ for a product that does less, BUT YOUR HAPPY, so I believe the cigar smokers adage applies here.

Windows/etc. fanboys need to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that quite a lot of people DON'T GIVE A DAMN about the X Y Z things their more flexible product can do, they just want it to work well without having to think about it! You paid less $ for a product that does more, at the expense of effort spent fixing it, or effort ALREADY SPENT learning to fix it without much effort.

well, thats enough ramblings for one moment. Both camps are generally a bit deluded and blind to the drawback of their chosen path.

As for me, I believe William Wallace said it best: FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!

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well there is a post that can actually be responded to.

It is just a matter of where you rank things. You like the freedom, I used to have the freedom (when I had a PC) and found that I didn't really need it. I like how everything just works (for the most part) with Apple.... and the simplicity offered works better for me than the freedom I'm giving up that I wouldn't use anyways.

Or as far as phones go, I don't ever even remove my SD card now on my Droid when I have it, so not having one in an iphone wouldn't make any difference. What would make a difference would be my ability to sync with my Macs and mobileme and itunes/idisk

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I don't have an iPhone but I'm pretty sure that you can make a complete back up on iTunes and restore it to a different or new iPhone whenever. Someone with an iPhone can confirm or dis-confirm...

Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?

I usually don't get into these debates but for being such a major complaint, in 75% of the scenarios you've described memory card storage wouldn't help at all...

I'm not trying to defend the iPhone. Like I said, I don't have one.

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"Also, in your wedding scenario, an hour before the ceremony I don't see how an offsight backup would have helped? :confused: Dropping the phone and shattering the screen could happen to any phone. Is he going to drive to the store and buy a new phone then drive to his home or office where he has his backup memory card stored?"

In this case is somebody else had another Iphone just take the card out and put in the other person's and presto

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If you re-read Taz's post he said "off-sight" backup. Ergo the card wouldn't be in the phone at the wedding, but in a secondary location.

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Just wanted to add, I'm not trying to break balls, just discussing. No hostility intended...:)

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Sorry but I can't help myself I
just have to weigh in on this memory card issue, LOL. The guys who seem
to feel these are the cats ass of the backup solution are simply behind the tech curve, have pity on them. I do a lot of
work on my iPhone. It's backed up every night when I sync the
phone. I also upload all of my files to my google docs account right from the iPhone, and a second backup goes to my dropbox account, which has a iPhone app for it. Cloud storage is the best way to back things up, not sd cards. That way the info is wherever you are, all you have to do is access it. In the wedding scenario, if this happenned all he would have had to do use someone elses phone to pull another copy down from
the cloud. Simple

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I was gonna suggest cloud storage, or one of another dozen backup solutions that don't require a memory card, but you beat me to it, Vic.
I think the problem is that folks are thinking "laptop" and ipad isn't.

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yah thats what I've been talking about with mobileme and the idisk storage..... works fine for me, no need to be taking SD cards in or out

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Mobileme is good, I just don't likethe price. $99 per year is steep for the amount of storage they give you Jim. There are other, cheaper options out there like dropbox.

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My I-touch is a piece because it will not recognize wireless networks and when i call apple they say i will have to pay for a new one b/c the warranty is out even though it was bought from apple less than a year before i called them. No. 2 most of the apps on it forceclose and when i try to do anything except play music it forcecloses and shuts off. When it comes to playing music it does a heck of a job but thats not why i got it. Reference the I-phone being insurable now this is news to me as my father just got one less than a month ago and at that point it was still un-insurable. By un-insurable i mnean against physical damage. I am aware that you can insure against product malfunctions but thats what a warranty should cover. Please let me know if you can now insure for accidental physical damage as it is news to me so i can stop telling "Lies". And i dont mean by putting it under your homeowners umbrella coverage which is exactly what AT&T told me i would have to do. By all means i am not being a smartass just stating what i have been told directly from apple and AT&T. Again please let me know if this has changed. BTW i do know that apple has WAY more apps, but droid also has more than anyone will ever need.

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Did you provide it to them before the warranty expired?
If you did, doubt they would not honor it.
If they didn't, sounds like you have a small claims filing that would get you to recover your costs for court and invoke your warranty for you.
If you didn't provide it to them before the year for repairs, well, a warranty is just that and if the year expired, there is no coverage. Not different than with a much, much more expensive purchase of a car.

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The ipod was recieved with the purchase of a macbook, an incentive type thing. When i called them they said that the ipod was an old model and warranty had expired. My thoughts are that they had a ton of old stock and shipped those out, could be wrong who knows. Not that worried about it but it was just the fact of the matter that put a bad taste in my mouth about the touch's. Mind you this was a Gen 1. I have never ever had any problems with my new Nano.

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So the iTouch sucks in general because you had an isolated problem on an out of warranty product?
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Jim,
Folks will likely not believe this but my 2 and a half year old grandson has an original version of the iPod Touch.
That kid beats the living crap out of it and it still ticks.

When he comes to my house, which is at least 5 days a week, the first thing he asks for is my iPhone. He knows how to use half of my applications. He has dropped it on me at least a half a dozen times. Additionally, I have dropped it another half dozen times at least. All I have on it is an Incipio cover. It has yet to break or malfunction.

So, things can go wrong with them as with anything. However, that first generation iPod Touch and my iPhone can outlast a 2 and a half year old. Not bad at all if you ask me.

I put "off site" in "" to mean not in his phone. If he had the option of a removable memory card, he could back it up to the card, slip it in his pocket and put it in ANYONE elses phone
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I'd respond to the cloud storage point, but there wouldn't be a point really. Apple fanboys will always find a reason to try and prove why paying more money for less features is a good idea.
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Insulting people really isn't the way to get your point across, ;)

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And windows/etc fanboys will never understand why paying more money for less features is a good idea. We worship flexibility, why would anyone not want join us in our devotions to this oh so holy light?

The fundamental reason the arguments cannot be reconciled is because the conditions of victory are different, so even a "winning" argument from one side will forever be a "losing" argument to the other, simply because the goals are different.

While both sides make factually correct arguments, all they have done is prove that their camp is "the best" at what it does.... but since each camp has different goals, proving that your camp is "the best" only means you are better than other similarly themed camps.

FOR EXAMPLE, Windows Mobile VS Android is a fair comparison from which it is theoretically possible to obtain a clear winner. Bother are robust, complicated and OS's with significant flexibility, hackability, and features, so then you are comparing apples to apples and can determine a winner - in other words, an individual's purchasing decision is determined by which platform or phone is better.

BUT Comparing Android/Windows to iPhone is, IMO, comparing apples to oranges. Yes, they're both PDA phones, but if you really think about it, their fundamental philosophy and feature set are vastly different. In other words - an individual's purchasing decision is not made by comparing the two platforms or phones, it is made by comparing the two philosophy's and choosing which is better.

If you chose the philosophy of Apple, then the decision ends there (none other can compete).... and if you chose the philosophy of windows/android/etc, then you still have to dig into the details and decide on a specific device or platform within that philosophy (plenty of competition).

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I've never said cloud is better. I said I don't use my sd card and would use a cloud because I have mobileme. In fact, there has been almost no "fanboy" comments from apple users in this entire thread... just apple bashing from the other side. Its a personal preference, I don't care what other people use
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I'm not sure how I insulted anyone, unless the term fanboy is insulting. If that's the case, I apologize.
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The hilarious thing to me is that I've never owned an Apple computer in my life. The extent of my involvement with Apple is that I owned an ipod classic, and now I own an Iphone. I've used windows based computers my whole life:r

As an aside, people do realize that Apple computers are PC's too right? Just to keep our terminology straight, :r

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Duuuuuuuddddeeeeeee.........come on now, man up.:r

Of course you know it's insulting, that's why you used it.

Reminds me of someone from the South who once told me that she didn't realize that "yankee" was an insulting term:rolleyes:

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One more point about removable storage- sure a cloud system is a nice workaround to being able to double back up, unless you can't access the internet for whatever reason (network down, blackspot, you forgot to pay your bill, in a foreign country, etc.)

Then you're back to not having a backup...
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I see the term used all the time; often by those who use and love apple. I didn't rrealize it would be such an insulting term, so once again...I apologize.
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No need to apologize to me I'm not a fanboy so Im not insulted:banger

To address the cloud storage issue. It's the way things are moving, like it or not. SD cards, and physical media of all kinds, are on their way out. Simply the way it is. Same way the physical keyboard is on the way out. You don't have to like it, but you'd better get used to it.

As an aside, phone manufacturers don't include sd slots so that people can make backups, slide shows, power point presentations, etc. They include them so they can compete with the iphone. People expect to be able to carry the music and videos with them, and nobody is going to tolerate the 1gb internal memory that comes standard on most phones. Without an sd slot for their media, nobody would buy them.

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Cloud storage? Is that where Lando keeps his wardrobe on Bespin? Oops. I guess I'm a fanboy...:lv
:D

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I don't believe for a second that physical keyboards are on the way out. Most companies have a touchscreen option, but all but one also have physical keyboards on their phones.

And yeah I use cloud storage as well, but the point remains I'm aware of the shortcomings of relying on carrier internet connections for important work. I think ahead, and don't want to risk blowing an important presentation (like a speech at a wedding).

And yeah, some market segments want to carry all their music and videos with them, but business people, CEO's, and those in that segment have much less need to carry a bunch of music. That's why Blackberries are still very much the choice of that demographic.
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blackberries are still the choice of business because it was first with push mail service and is therfore part of the culture because it is established in the corporate support system of IT purchasin g getc.
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:tpd:


BUT they were also simple and more idiot proof for what business needed done. JUST LIKE the iPhone has a very simple feature set that specifically targets it's market, the Blackberry has a very limited and specific feature set that targets its market.

Times are changing however, and the blackberry market is beginning to demand more features..... they had best innovate, and soon, or they may lose their market.

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Hey I'm a blackberry fanboy...and they have a lot of improvements the last few years. Blackberry still does what it does best- reliable, secure email. The blackberry storm is all touch screen.

I would argue that blackberry doesn't have a limited feature set at all. In what areas do think it's limited?
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Not if you went through what I went through bwith Verizon customer service :r

It's funny how i've trended with my phones. My first cell phone I had ATT until I had a billing problem, then I switched to Verizon. Had Verizon for a few years, iPhone came out (didn't care cause it was ATT), bashed early adopters getting stuck with ATT, then had an issue with Verizon, worst customer service experience of my life, dropped em and bought an iPhone. ATT isn't perfect, I do get more dropped calls and it is more expensive, but I don't mind. Not an Apple fanboy by any stretch, but I love my iPhone.

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with regards to phone companies, I demand above all that my phone work, whenever and wherever in the country I demand it. Fore everywhere I have traveled, Verizon has never ceased to disappoint, while I have seen friends on other providers consistently fall short. This is reason enough for me to remain with Verizon, as I have for longer than I can remember (6 years? 8 years? I don't know....)

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can't sync with itunes and the app store is less than desirable

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I don't about syncing with iTunes, since I don't like iTunes and wouldn't sync with iTunes even if I had iTunes on my computer.

And yeah, the NUMBER of apps in the app store is quite a few less than the iPhone, but the vast majority are apps that are actually useful, and not novelties. Blackberries are primarily business phones, so most of the apps have a business-y/productivity feel to them.

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I never said you cared about it, you asked for limitations and I gave you one. Kind of like me with the SD card, you call it a limitation... but it isn't one that applies to me :tu


This is where that whole thing called personal opinion comes in, and why I can't tell people to like Apple or you tell anyone not to like them.

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Fair enough, but you can sync music with iTunes:

http://uk.blackberry.com/services/media/mediasync.jsp

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fanboy, :r:r:r

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You're way off base. To give you an idea of how much MORE productive the Iphone is than a Blackberry:

ATT Virtual Receptionist provides me with a FREE 800 number I can provide to clients, I get 60 minutes free per month, after that it costs. I'm unaware of any blackberry app that could do that for me.

Ribbit Mobile (exact same thing as Google voice) provides me with a free local phone number that I can route all of my phone calls through. Is there a google voice or ribbit mobile app for the blackberry?

ScannerPro allows me to take a photo with the iphone, convert it to a PDF and send it to a client, either through email or as a fax using my efax account.

DocsToGo allows me to create and edit word, excel, etc, docs, and on and on and on.

While the BB may be able to do some of these things, I used to have one and I KNOW it can't do all of them.

On top of which for whatever reason the apps you can buy for an Iphone, even business apps, are WAY cheaper than they are for BB or winmo devices. DocsToGO on other platforms runs from $35-$80. Cost me ten bucks. The same is true of almost all other business apps.

The Iphone has become an incredibly useful business tool. I can speak from experience, the ONLY reason the BB and not the Iphone is the most used business phone in my field is because there are still some security issues to be addressed with the Iphone. Other than than the BB would already be on it's way out.:=:

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That is precisely what I was getting at when I noted that BB was going have to get back in the game and innovate. They are behind the curve, as business users begin demanding features like that.

I use docs to go and similar programs on my droid. Only thing I hear from my BB using sisters is how it can't open XYZ I sent them, etc.

HOWEVER, I promise you that my sisters wouldnt be able to use an iphone/droid for what they do... so BB still serves its purpose, even if that it rapidly becoming a fancy email client.

and on app prices... yeah, I remember it was a joyus day when I discovered simple apps for a buck or two on my droid and complex ones for $5-$10.... something simple in winmo started at $15 and rapidly climbed from there!

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It might be the country I live in (australia) but I'm not aware of anything like the virtual receptionist here, for any carrier or phone.

There is a google voice app- I've never used it, so I can't really comment on any differences between it and the iPhone version.

I have docs to go as well. I'm not sure about the scanner pro, I don't think BB has a program like that.

I guarantee I can also find a few apps BB does that iPhone does not have. The point is they both can do basically the same things.

I will admit that most BB apps are a bit spendy, especially considering how much we pay for our phones, phone plans, and data here. Outrageous!
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I'm an apple fan. I have had the iPhone since about a month after it's release. Yes, I've had my share of problems with it, but I don't recall shelling out any substantial amount of coin. I had a blackberry before that and the blackjack before that. Neither of them had the fluidity that the touchscreen and OS the iPhone provides. I know that better hardware and software has since been realeased, but I just can't imagine myself having any other piece of equipment.

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Apple/PC who cares ... they both work ... but we can all agree that Gurkha suck, right?

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You're not a Gurkha Fanboy, Sean? :)

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If he comes to the Shack this year we can show him just how much they suck:D

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Best Cigars ever, worth every penny.














:lv

The iDoble Maduros are pretty tasty, IMO. You're all just a bunch of Gurkha bashers. :r
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iPhones suck, along with a bunch of other things, including Phil Mickelson and Duke :r:r:r:r;)