Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I got a response to an email I sent him also, yesterday. He has access to the internet at work, just not this site. And no access at home. Told him that was a poor excuse. If you have business to take care of, go to starbucks, or a library. He called me on my way home from work and said he was packing up boxes at the moment, and had me pm Dabidog to get his address. So we shall see if stuff actually starts arriving. He told me 2/3 of the people in the GB had gotten their stuff already. If they have gotten it, post up.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

If anyone was giving Dan a chance after these 2 post then they are nieve. I don't think we can believe a word Dan says. Actions speak louder then words. If packages start popping up then that is a different story. Until then anything he says is just a facade.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Every transaction I have had with Dan, and I have had many including the GB in question, has been completed with no issues whatsoever.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Thanks for your hard work Steve.

The no access to the site excuse is absolutely terrible. I got a PM from him on 7/14 where he asked for my address.

I am so tired of his excuses.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I call Shenanigans

That sad story is all full of holes.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I agree I am a newb here and don't have anything invested in this but that message pegged my BS meter. To sit there and say that CA is blocked but you can get to Facebook? Lol ya right. Who would bother blocking CA but not one of the most popular websites in the world? Then to go on and say that they blocked the proxies, seriously does he even know what he is saying when he writes that? Don't believe it for a minute folks.

A picture speaks a 1000 words for how that message from Dan makes me feel.

To all those affected I feel for your loses both monetarily and in friendships.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I hope you get to see his math skills! :tu

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I have no idea who this Dan fellow is and I don't care to but all I can say is I hope for everyone's sake that this thing gets taken care of so we as a board can move forward. I truly feel bad for those involved, hopefully this asshole makes good.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Just got an email from the accused.

All packages that had not been sent out have been sent as of last night/this morning. Only ones he hasn't shipped out is 2 to canada and one to the UK. Take it for what its worth, just the messenger. Hopefully this is true and they will all arrive shortly:tu

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Seems I have heard this story before. No offense to fissure at all who has gone above and beyond in trying to sort this out for the many involved. My thanks for that

Here for the thread

If cigars do show up I will be surprised. But even if they do, hardcz has already informed me it will not be as many as I ordered or what I ordered.

For purposes of fairness I had quite a few small transactions with hardcz prior to this and all where without incident. This does not make me feel better, it actually makes me feel worse as I feel I have been set up. I have no proof of that hence why it was not said in the original post but that is what my gut tells me.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

As for the comments in Don Fernando's post regarding someone expecting 125 but only paid and is getting 50

When I said I only posted the facts in my initial post, I in fact only posted the facts that I could support.

There where many chat conversations that I do not still have. I was only informed less than 2 weeks ago that I would only be recieving 50 sticks and that I would not be getting the baby Salamoes or the Sublime Extra's (I was not even informed what I would be getting)

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

So you were under the impression you were getting ____ _ for $3 a stick and $5 a stick respectively? :confused:

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I have been waiting on Dan's end of a trade from February. He never said he sent them, just a series of excuses. I forgot, life problems, etc. Promises to send out the sticks that were never fulfilled. :confused:

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Thanks for the vote of confidence Shawn. I don't want to be in the middle or any part of this.....But I want to see all you guys get your cigars.

Shawn, the story I got from Dan was that what he sent you in the pm you posted was what he got from the supplier. The 75 and the 50 was supposed to be what the supplier had in stock at the moment (3 bundles and 2 bundles). The price was per bundle, which makes a lot more sense for that size. At the prices you thought, I would have jumped on 100 of them:D Sounds like that's where the mis communication might have been??

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Yup I would agree other than I confirmed the amount of sticks and pricing so that may have been the information he was working with but it was not the information I was working with.



An excerpt from Dan's email to me of June 9th.

[FONT=&quot]Shawn,

I thought I had all of your cigars in the first shipment, which was two bundles of baby salamones, *simarones* as **** put it. I am missing the petit salamones for you still.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I have not shipped because I don't have all your cigars. I can ship two seperate if you want half of them now.[/FONT]


Now if he had 2 bundles and it was only half that would imply at least 100 cigars not 50.

Perhaps I was confused. Frankly I doubt it, but I am not perfect. I know I confirmed it, yet I cannot find the PM or the email (other than the above) so it is only my word.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Is this a question??

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Nuff said.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Yup, enough said. That excerpt from his emails says he thought that's what you were getting too. Sounds like he was the one confused.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

for what it's worth, and I don't think it's much at this point, I talked to dan and he seemed hurt that we thought that he would just take the money and not order or order and keep the sticks. he also said that he would get the stuff out. yes I know we've heard this before and if i can figure out how to transfer the gchat logs from my Blackberry to my mac i'll post them for all to read. I don't care about dan in this I want everyone to get what they paid for

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I think at this point actions are going to speak louder than words. The words dont mean much anymore to many. Instead of saying he's going to do it, he needs to just do it already. Its not like it requires a masters degree in problem solving or anything.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Are you kidding me? Dan is not the victim here. I sincerely hope he gets his personal issues worked out but this is proof that he STILL does not get it. He clearly does not understand what he has done, the impact it has had on many many people, and how it is all perceived by the entire cigar community. His word at this point in the game is virtually worthless.

No intent here on shooting the messenger, but that one phrase really struck a nerve.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Got to agree here, although I wasn't stiffed for money, I too bought sticks that were delivered 4 months later and wrapped in one piece of newspaper that when unwrapped revealed torn wrappers on all the sticks. Dan is not a victim, Dan has a problem. Sorry, had to comment, I'm done.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down. to quote Dan



Depression....I have suffered with it for 10 years, never once has it come in the way of sending stuff out or communicating with people who I owe....do what I did, get on some meds.:2

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

All my adult life here Dave, and we know I can send out a package :D

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I am so upset about Dan's comments, I have typed out several posts and deleted each of them, thinking better of it.

Let's just suffice to say I call bullsh*t.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

You seem like the kind of guy that that kind of restraint is killing you Tom.:tu

I don't have a dog in the fight so to speak, but I like a lot of the other folks on here, hate to see this kind of thing happen cause it hurts us all.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

:tpd:

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

:tpd: So many things wrong with his email its hard to know which to comment on first.

The transactions on CA are not Dan's first time doing this sort of thing. Back on CS/Puff there was at least one other situation that required intervention.:c

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Paying my bills and especially my taxes depresses the sh!t out of me... I still do it. That is a very sad excuse.

Icehog, restraint is what lands people in the comfy chair, let it out tough guy!

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

to quote Dan
"Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down."

Take the $ for yur next session or 2 with the therapist, buy cigars owed, cover yur nutt, nuff said.

You'll still be a lair n a thief but on your way to redemption.
:2

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Boy.....you really know how to kill a thread Martin!:r:r

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Gotta think of myself too, I almost had an anuerysm! :r

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I hate when that happens me!:r

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

If the quote is true, it is sad to see how things played out.

This place is full of support. :2

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Disclaimer: I have no dog in this fight, as someone else said. I did get some emails from Dan re: a trading email list that he was trying to set up, but I ignored them because I wasn't interested.

Re: the part that I quoted from St. Lou Stu:

I agree that this place is one of the most supportive places I've seen online. In fact, I was going to post something to the effect of "does anyone live near Dan that could stop by and check on him, maybe do him the favor of dropping stuff off at the post office?" (Assuming the DC numbers are legit and the stuff really is packed up and ready to go) That was when I was still in the "I want to give Dan the benefit of the doubt" mode and before I'd read too many bad stories about him.

I have had my own physical and pain-related issues for the last year or so, and at times the pain has been debilitating, to the point where I couldn't leave my bed, let alone the apartment. I had all these grand plans for the summer, as far as cleaning up the apartment and such ... what did I do? Not a damn thing. I mostly stayed in bed writhing in pain that has thankfully been alleviated by my latest surgery. So I definitely have sympathy for someone who's having a medical issue, even if it is mental rather than physical. (Not to discount the fact that depression does have physical effects)

Maybe he's a scammer, maybe he's just irresponsible, maybe he's a liar. Probably a little combination of all 3. I don't think any of us will ever know the 100% truth.

All I know is that I am grateful for the support, advice, and kindness that I have received from many members on here regarding my job loss and health issues. For more on that, see my "Update on Tenor CS's health" thread.

Good night, Cigar Asylum.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I have a problem solver its name is ....

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

It's like a deadly game of freeze-tag..... ;)

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I've also not recieved stogies I''ve paid for from Dan that frankly I could have used to buy from elsewhere. I've had PM's from him saying "they are on their way" etc then others saying they're not which has been confusing and I've guessed that he was copy and pasting messages to multiple people as they all seemed kinda impersonal for him. I suppose if he'd said "Sorry, I can't get them to you at all and your money's gone too" I'd have at least known where I stood.

I've not really commented to others about this at all as I didn't want to come across as an arse but that said I didn't know others had been ripped off too, certainly not to the degree that some have.
In Dans defence I should say that whenever he's messaged me I've stressed to him that there was no hurry as I got the impression he was under the weather and having a tough time. I've done trades with Dan in the past and can honestly say I've always trusted him, and received what he said he would send, and I still hope he'll make good at some point in the future...whenever that may be.

Lots of folks have made fair comments regarding being ripped off and his lame excuses, and although it's easy for me to say "no hurries" to him I've only spent $60, not $600+ and if I had spent that much and not recieved what I'd paid for I would no doubt have got the police involved to some degree and certainly wouldn't have been as patient as what I have been.

One thing that did nark me was that I mentioned in chat about buying from a vendor on here (I won't name, what's the point!) and he slated the guy instantly saying about previous purchases that had gone bad, been delayed etc and even went as far as to send me links to threads slagging the vendor off...kinda seems like the pot calling the kettle black! As it happened I bought them from the same vendor anyway and was amazed at how fast they got here to the UK from the states.

I just get the gut feeling things have gotten on top of him and he's struggled to deal with things and not put his hands up to the problems as quickly as he could have done. I wish him well and a speedy recovery and if he can he should make good on the deals when he can regardless of being banned, even if it is just to make himself feel a bit better about the whole thing.

Can I ask if anyone has heard from him recently and has anyone who's been waiting for ages to get their cigars actually recived ANY yet?

I do feel for the guy if he's having issues as I considered him a friend, and still do..but again I'm not down $600+ so it's easier for me to say that.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

:r :D

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Owned!!!
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/image....ine=1248794211
I like that "thumbs down" picture!!!






* Mods, If I'm out of order please remove my post!

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

I just heard from another inmate that Logan aka SixPackSunday stiffed a few guys on the board too :(

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Where do these people come from, and why are they here?!?!?!?!?!?! :mad:

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

No offense, but if somebody has a problem with another member they should take it up with that member or the mods. I don't think throwing unsubstantiated rumors out there is the way the board wants to operate. I wouldn't like it I'd it were done to me and I was innocent and I'm sure you wouldn't either

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

What goes around, comes around. Karma can be a bad MF when its their turn in the barrel.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

just check SPS's profile (trader feedback & visitor messages), like I did before I posted.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Wow. And because it was already in public on the trader feedback you felt that you just had to drag it into here? This thread has a nasty gang mentality that isn't reflecting well on this board.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Maybe that mentality will help prevent this **** from happening again.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

So will closing all trade / maw / pif threads and banning the use of the board for such purposes. I suppose you are in favor of that as well.

Lynch mobs seldom see themselves as unsavory while they are performing the lynching.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Gang mentality can also lead to more problems. A house fire comes to mind. This person prayed on the mentality of lending a helping hand. Very few followed up with the story and several people got taken.

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 

Not at all, but if someone is taking people's money, that asshole should be exposed and not dealt with any longer. Perhaps people knowing that there will be penalties will persuade them to keep everything on the up and up. My comment was with respect to the label you gave "gang mentality". It's a shame that this even has to occur here but the fact is it is occurring and there is nothing wrong with the members here saying "hey, this is not permissible and there are penalties should you engage in such behaviors".