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I'm not sure that should be a suspension for Torres. He got the head, but Seabrook didn't have his head up. Torres certainly buried an unsuspecting player, but I think Seabrook owns some of the responsibility for leaving himself in a position to get lit up. Obvious head shots like Matt Cooke is known for have no place, but Torres got him with the shoulder and didn't leave his skates.....

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But that is the definition of the blindside shot to the head rule, you can't take out an opposing player with a hit to the head when their head is turned from you and they are completely unsuspecting/vulnerable. I agree that if you're stupid enough to cruise with your head down/looking back for a pass you deserve to have your clock cleaned but the fact that the hit was to the head and not the body is what made it an issue. Especially given that Torres is one of the players in the league with a reputation for big hits and he just came back from a suspension for a similar type of incident. Many other players could have done this and gotten away with a slap on the wrist, Torres past history will work against him here. I think he'll be lucky if the NHL only suspends him for the rest of this series and all of the next. In reality if he receives another long suspension that he'll be done for the year since Vigneault won't want to disrupt a winning lineup by bringing him back in again.

That also raises another point on the rules regarding head shots. Technically the player that was hit needs to leave the ice and go to the dressing room for 15min in order for a major penalty + game misconduct to be issued. Of course that isn't always followed, look at the last hit that Torres got 4 games for. However, if the player doesn't leave the ice the ref's have to ensure he's fit to continue, much like a referee in boxing. My question is, why in a scenario like the Torres-Seabrook hit is the player even given the choice of whether to continue without first going to the dressingroom? These guys are hockey players, not doctors, they don't have the training to diagnose themselves nor could you accurately self-diagnose just after receiving a head shot and concussion anyways. In the playoffs the players are never going to leave the ice, just look at all the other injuries they play through which they'd never do in the regular season.

Players taking a hit to the head serious enough to draw a penalty of any kind should be required to go to the dressing room for a look over by the team doctor. If the doctor says they're ok to continue then no harm no foul, it'll certainly prevent situations like last night where Seabrook really shouldn't have continued playing and didn't after receiving that second (clean, legal and particularly hard) hit from Torres.

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Datsyuk is amazing. Not that you wouldn't expect to hear that from me, but Wings fans aren't the only ones who think so.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....hts_pavel.html

Some highlights of said clinic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL4T1...feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ZVb...feature=relmfu

Unfortunately, those are the only ones I can find and they fall woefully short of his dominance in this last game. I really hope the Wings can grab that 3-0 lead tonight.

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And the NHL's Spinning Roulette Wheel of Justice (tm) strike again, no suspension for Torres. Christ, Charlie Sheen is less erratic than the NHL's disciplinary committee :confused: :mad:

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My spin called it a hockey play http://www.nhlwheelofjustice.com/

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That earned a rep bump. That made me LOL.

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Mine was a 2 game suspension! :r

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Mine was "Colin Campbell needs to pull his head out of his arse"..... wait, maybe that's just what I was thinking as it spun.

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And so much for that idea. :hn

Hoping the Hawks can win 1 for pride.

Torres used to be a POS, then cleaned it up a little and played good physical hockey. Now he is a POS again. Take that with a grain of salt. Also watch 4 other Hawks stand around and do nothing. That might be the worst of it....I understand, discipline in the playoffs. I don't care, he needed a punch in the puss, and I guarantee if I was on that team he woulda got one.

Now I need to decide who to root for from here on out. Usually it has been the Wings, but I kinda would like to see Niemi and Eager come out of the West.

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Something's wrong with Raffi:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...RaffiTwins.jpg

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Never give up Tom, ever.

And I agree, someone should have wiped the ice with him. What's going on with that lately? Guys just standing around not taking care of each other. Becoming way to common for my liking.

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The B's are on the board third was a nail biter with the Habs swarming.
Man they got to do something on the power play it is so pathetic you would never know they were on one.

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I agree, Al......When someone goes after one of the Hawks, Seabrook is always stepping up, so where are his mates for him?

I won't give up as I bleed the red and black...but that fat lady keeps warming up in my ear. :r

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I think my heart skipped a beat or two in the third.

I liked they came out banging took it to them did not let them get organized and kept the pressure on them.
Then they went back on their heals and played that conservative style that Montreal plays and they can't play that style.
To many times in the third they played back and allowed Montreal to come to them instead of pressing Montreal and putting them on their heals.

Good to see them get on the board and right now back in the series.

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Let's see what Blackhawks team comes to the arena tonight. Glad to hear that Seabrook is doing good.

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Not true, Kristin...Seabrook is out for tonight's game, and Raffi Torres is a piece of sh!t. ;)

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Sorry to hear about the Hawks, even if it is for my own selfish reasons. I'm hoping for a broom in Arizona tomorrow.

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I know that he is. I was listening to an interview this morning with Sharp and he said that Seabrook was doing good after the hit.

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I'd hate to see the Hawks go out like this, I hope they pull off a win. Same with the Coyotes.

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Gotcha....I guess my point was that he can't be that good if he can't play. He is a warrior and would play if he could.

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As understandable as Keith's emotions are, that is not the way to help the Hawks out! Wait until it doesn't matter then take your shot at Torres.

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Good to see Luongo is having his traditional playoff meltdown game :tg

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So do you think Bolland meant anything to the Hawks? :sh

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Holycrap did luongo just $hit his pants infront of the world.
As good as that guy can be, he can completely implode when he faces a little adversity.

Refs sent off Scott and Torres. Booooooooo. Scott should have pounded him earlier in the third. :td

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Lol go to check the score on the Sharks game down 2 already. Looking bad.

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It's a Great Day for Hockey!

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:wo

Wow!! :tu

Sharks - Kings game is awesome, what a 3rd it should be!

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Going to watch the end of the Sharks Kings game and hit the rack.

What a game! :wnr

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Where was this game before?

Great game, but still a deep hole to dig out of.

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So glad I had to stay up to do work. If I didn't have work to do I would have called it a night at 4-0. Go Sharks

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Un FUC KING Believable !!!
The 4th time in NHL history a team has come back from a 4 goal deficit to win.

Talk about ripping a teams heart out. I mean they just punched someones mom in the face. I am stunned.

I am going to go smoke something good.

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As much as this was the annual Luongo Comes Unglued Playoff Game Against Chicago (tm), this one you can't blame on him. He absolutely stood on his head in the first and got almost no help from the rest of the team in the second and third. That and the Chicago goals where just nice nice goals, the only ones that were moderately weak was the 3rd and 6th goals. The Canucks simply didn't want this game anywhere nearly as badly as the Hawks and it showed in the end result.

As much as I can't stand him, Torres is a tough guy so I think he would have held his own against Scott despite the obvious difference in size. I do agree that they should have been allowed to go. The CBC central desk had the NHL's head of officials on after the game and he was asked whether ref's over-stepped their bounds by issuing pre-emptive misconducts to prevent that fight. He said no, but the point was raised several times that that fight would have acted like a relief valve and let off some of the pressure between the 2 teams.

As it stands the Torres-Seabrook hit is still hanging over the series and Thursday night is going to be just as viscious as the end of the game tonight which may easily result in someone else getting seriously injured. I just don't get the NHL sometimes. It's almost like they think that MMA On Ice is the key to winning television audiences and they'll go to any length to produce a situation that generates it.

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Hawks win!!! Great game last night. Glad to see they showed up last night. Let's see if they can keep it up.

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The way you described Luongo sounds a bit like Roy. He was lights out most of the time, but if you got to him early he would come unraveled. A game 7 where the Wings pounded the Avs 7-0 comes to mind.

Looking forward to tonight's game, but not tomorrow morning. I have an hour drive to work and I have to be in at 7:30 AM. Game doesn't start until 10:30 PM and regulation won't end until 1:00 AM. If it goes into OT, I will be praying for death when my alarm goes off.

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All I can say is WOW!!!, what a game from the Sharks.
Awesone to watch when they are clickin'. However as great as they played in the second and third of last nights game, its still scary that they had to go to overtime to get both of their wins and go down by 4 in last nights game. They just need to keep that switch turned on.

Go Sharks!!!

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The Sharks maybe playing with fire with a long series and a bunch of OT games. That can haunt you in later rounds.

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Don't count on Jumbo Joe the man child, he folds under pressure and has no heart, that's why Boston gave him away.
He was basically run out of town on a rail :sl

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No doubt Mike. I like that they came back and ripped their heart out, but if this wasnt such a young team this wouldnt have happened. I also think this will only work so many times before they start failing.

Would love to see the Sharks big line actually be the dominant line. Once again the Sharks are living on secondary scoring and eventually it will run out.

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This is true of all teams. You need some secondary scoring, but you can't rely on it. You need your stars to produce.

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Watching Caps vs. rangers now in 2nd OT...what a game!!

Edit... CAPS WIN!!!

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Damn well if the Sharks survive they will face a well rested Wings team. Not good as this looks like a long series for the Sharks. If they survive that is.

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I'm pretty sure SJ is gonna take LA, and I really like SJ's chances against the Detroit Pavel Datsyuks.

Phoenix didn't have Big Joe or Marleau to shove down detroits backup goalies throat.


btw, Go Pens!

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I concur, he is just a big guy with tons of skill and no heart.

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Could always hope for the Blackhawks to come back and win in 7. Then I believe we would play them and Detroit would get winner of Nashville-Aneheim.

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Couldn't resist.


You're right the Yotes didn't have Joe or Marleau, but they did have Shane Doan. That guy is a PITA. Phoenix was definitely out-classed. I hope the Wings are rested and not rusty after a long layoff.

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That scenario would work for me as well, then we could all be happy. :)

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Well then lets go Blackhawks! Lets go Sharks!

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:banger

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Good win for the Sabres last night, Arena was rocking, Miller stood on his head all game. Sabres hit some posts early, Philly hit a few late, good playoff hockey.