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ChicagoWhiteSox 04-10-2011 05:33 PM

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Wild have to win....

ChicagoWhiteSox 04-10-2011 05:37 PM

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3-3 now:td

icehog3 04-10-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1232451)
Wild have to win....

NBC said if it went to shootout Hawks make the dance even if the Stars win the shootout, but looking at ESPN that doesn't seem correct to me.

ChicagoWhiteSox 04-10-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1232455)
NBC said if it went to shootout Hawks make the dance even if the Stars win the shootout, but looking at ESPN that doesn't seem correct to me.

:hm

chand 04-10-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoWhiteSox (Post 1232460)
:hm

It's correct because the Hawks and Stars will be tied with a SO win but the Hawks will have more ROW wins.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=39245

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chand (Post 1232473)
It's correct because the Hawks and Stars will be tied with a SO win but the Hawks will have more ROW wins.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=39245

4-3 Wild!!

Ahbroody 04-10-2011 06:20 PM

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Man the Stars have absolutely dominated and just can't beat the goalie since that goal.
Snake bit.

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:21 PM

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C'mon Wild!!!! :wo

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:25 PM

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2:04 left....

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:26 PM

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1:06 left....

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:27 PM

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20 seconds!

icehog3 04-10-2011 06:28 PM

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yESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! :wo

ChicagoWhiteSox 04-10-2011 07:04 PM

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Hawks make the playoffs:noon

Ahbroody 04-10-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1232505)
yESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! :wo


Enjoy the Canucks. Really wonder how this series will pan out. Hawks won first two Canucks won last two. I expect an extremely physical series. Think the Sharks lucked into the easiest first round, but who knows with round two. Nobody wants the Ducks and I think Nashville is going to get blown out of the water.

The only two teams from the east that have a shot at the cup I think are the Bs and the Flyers.

GreekGodX 04-10-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1232520)
Enjoy the Canucks. Really wonder how this series will pan out. Hawks won first two Canucks won last two. I expect an extremely physical series. Think the Sharks lucked into the easiest first round, but who knows with round two. Nobody wants the Ducks and I think Nashville is going to get blown out of the water.

The only two teams from the east that have a shot at the cup I think are the Bs and the Flyers.

Flyers desperately need Pronger back. Sounds like he will be for the playoff but their power play was abysmal without him. A rookie goaltender for them could help them or really hurt them.

Congrats Pops on the Hawks getting in! I hope Luongo chokes as he normally does in the playoffs just for you :)

icehog3 04-10-2011 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 1232528)
Flyers desperately need Pronger back. Sounds like he will be for the playoff but their power play was abysmal without him. A rookie goaltender for them could help them or really hurt them.

Congrats Pops on the Hawks getting in! I hope Luongo chokes as he normally does in the playoffs just for you :)


Canucks are better than last season, Hawks are not as good as last season. But the Canucks have the pressure of a country on their backs, and hopefully Luongo has some doubts in his head.

I think the Wings, Sharks and Ducks will win their series. If the Hawks can pull off the upset, Hawks - Sharks rematch in Round 2.

Bruins Fan 04-11-2011 04:03 AM

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B's habs should be fun. B's have to be physical,and skate to win, they are the better team.
When the game goes north everything changes, Montreal fans some how intimidate the officials.The habs flop all over the ice,and seem to get every call.
The power play is the one thing that can hurt us.
One thing you can be sure of it's going to be a freak show in Montreal,The RCMP will be waiting for Chara at the airport:D

taltos 04-11-2011 05:52 AM

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The Montreal players flop so much that if the pads weren't different, you couldn't tell who was the goalie.:D

rebelknight 04-11-2011 08:30 AM

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I think the sharks may have gotten the easiest first round. However the first 82 games don't mean anything now. Can't wait for Wednesday

icehog3 04-11-2011 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rebelknight (Post 1232836)
I think the sharks may have gotten the easiest first round. However the first 82 games don't mean anything now. Can't wait for Wednesday

With Kopitar out for the Kings and others slumping, I would agree, Sharks should sweep.

jmsremax 04-11-2011 08:45 AM

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So pumped to see the Bruins and Habs go at it first round! :noon

icehog3 04-11-2011 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jmsremax (Post 1232862)
So pumped to see the Bruins and Habs go at it first round! :noon

Should be one of the best 1st round series!

GreekGodX 04-11-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1232870)
Should be one of the best 1st round series!

I agree.. There's obviously the whole Chara thing. Will be interesting to see if Tim Thomas keeps up in the playoffs, and if Carey Price can handle the playoffs.

Ahbroody 04-11-2011 11:54 AM

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I know the two first round series I want to see epic 7 game battles out of are Hawks Canucks, Bs Habs.

357 04-11-2011 11:55 AM

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Not used to hearing the Wings get called dirty. Lidstrom plays 25+ min a night and is one of the least penalized defensemen in the league. Not to mention 4-time Lady Bing winner (and Selke award winner) on the #1 line in Datsyuk. Maybe they get the benefit of the doubt on occasion, but with credentials like that, its going to happen.

Anyway, congrats Tom on the Hawks squeeking in. I bet that Stars/Wild game had you on the edge of your seat.

I am NOT looking forward to those damn 10:30PM starts in Phoenix. :fl

Ahbroody 04-11-2011 12:16 PM

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I think that's the point Mike. The Wings get away with a little more because its the Wings. Its not the players its the club. You made the same argument after I commented that Dats snapped an oilers stick right of the faceoff iin front of the ref then scored the winning goal seconds later in a modified 5-4. Tired then tired niw. Some people are saying they are sick of them getting away with stuff like that. You could argue it has helped them win regular season and playoff games. The fact that someone won a lady bing(Marleau has also) should not mean $hit when its a obvious penalty. Last time I checked the rules were suppose to apply equally to all and for years certain teams routinely get away with more. Its BS and it needs to end. Hoping the Yotes series is called fairly.

icehog3 04-11-2011 03:31 PM

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No Lady Byng for Pavel this year. :r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPMJAs6Xpw

GHC_Hambone 04-11-2011 07:07 PM

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Such a back-asswards way for the Hawks to make the playoffs. Can't complain I guess.

GreekGodX 04-12-2011 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1233287)
No Lady Byng for Pavel this year. :r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nPMJAs6Xpw

I'm shocked Datsuyk doesn't get owned in that matchup. Perry clearly has the reach advantage. Did that fight represent all of Datsuyk's penalty minutes this year? :r

As for the favoritism in the league, it happens in all leagues. I don't think it is just the Red Wings as a team. Holmstrom pretty much gets called on most of his illegal screens on goalies, and he's had to adjust. In general it is the upper echelon of players that get away with stuff in all leagues. Refs aren't perfect, and we don't know what their bosses are telling them about calling games :2

Ahbroody 04-12-2011 09:45 AM

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No argument. Also after that whole refereeing email incident its hard to argue that the hand of the league doesn't guide the refs. Especially the younger ones who want to keep their job. When your boss yells at you when you don't make a call for one team or make a call on a player it can clearly shape how you call the game.


Oooooooo and Homer doesn't do the color Guy justice. Not looking forward to those broadcast in the playoffs.

icehog3 04-12-2011 11:13 AM

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Sunday night, the headline on the Minnesota Wild's website read "By the way Chicago …. you’re welcome” :r

Kane brought back the playoff mullet. Wonder what Bobby Loo thinks of that?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...og3/mullet.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...luongo23-1.jpg

357 04-12-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1234091)
Sunday night, the headline on the Minnesota Wild's website read "By the way Chicago …. you’re welcome” :r

Kane brought back the playoff mullet. Wonder what Bobby Loo thinks of that?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...og3/mullet.jpg

Not only that, he is brining back the Vanilla Ice "lines" too...

http://dailyhodgepodge.files.wordpre...anilla-ice.jpg


Word to your mutha!

:r

icehog3 04-12-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1234116)
Not only that, he is brining back the Vanilla Ice "lines" too...

Word to your mutha!

:r

Whatever works, Mike. ;)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a.../kanecup-1.jpg

357 04-12-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1234002)
No argument. Also after that whole refereeing email incident its hard to argue that the hand of the league doesn't guide the refs. Especially the younger ones who want to keep their job. When your boss yells at you when you don't make a call for one team or make a call on a player it can clearly shape how you call the game.


Oooooooo and Homer doesn't do the color Guy justice. Not looking forward to those broadcast in the playoffs.

"Homer"'s name is Mickey Redmond. I thought a hockey fan like yourself would know who he is. I mean, he was the seventh player in NHL history and the first Red Wing to score 50 goals in a season. As a broadcaster he's been on: CBC's Hockey Night in Canada, ESPN National Hockey Night, NHL on Fox, and done many NBC-broadcast Wings games for WDIV.

He does get jabbed on local sports radio for being a homer but the guys knows his stuff.

icehog3 04-12-2011 11:49 AM

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I enjoy Redmond. As long as a guy knows his hockey and gives credit where credit is due to the opposing team, I don't mind him being a "homer". Dale Tallon was that for years in Chicago, Pat Foley and John Weidemann root for the Hawks too, and I am just fine with it that way.

Mike, c'mon and tell me Drew Remenda doesn't fit that mold. ;)

357 04-12-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1234139)
I enjoy Redmond. As long as a guy knows his hockey and gives credit where credit is due to the opposing team, I don't mind him being a "homer". Dale Tallon was that for years in Chicago, Pat Foley and John Weidemann root for the Hawks too, and I am just fine with it that way.

Mike, c'mon and tell me Drew Remenda doesn't fit that mold. ;)

I didn't know him by name, but I know I've seen him on CBC. Honestly, when CBC carries a game that is otherwise only on Versus, I ALWAYS watch it on CBC. We get it as a local channel 9 in Detroit, they are very knowledgable and easy to watch. Similar to you Tom, I don't mind if the broadcasters are homers, so long as they know their stuff and give credit to the team who deserves it. CBC guys would lean toward the Leafs when I used to see Wings/Leafs games on CBC growing up, but they always knew the ins and outs of both teams and gave credit where it was due.

The Versus guys, especially in the first couple years, were terrible. They still get all side-tracked like they're at the bar chit-chatting and forget they're supposed to be calling a game. A game where someone watching might actually care what's going on. I can't tell you how many times a player will go down with an injury, cut to commercial, and you never hear a peap from those clowns as to the status. They rarely ever replay a questionable call, etc. It's like amatuer hour.

icehog3 04-12-2011 12:01 PM

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I dunno, Mike, I like Eddie O. I know I many be in the minority, but so be it.

Ahbroody 04-12-2011 12:09 PM

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[quote=357;1234127]"Homer"'s name is Mickey Redmond. I thought a hockey fan like yourself would know who he is. I mean, he was the seventh player in NHL history and the first Red Wing to score 50 goals in a season. As a broadcaster he's been on: CBC's Hockey Night in Canada, ESPN National Hockey Night, NHL on Fox, and done many NBC-broadcast Wings games for WDIV.

He does get jabbed on local sports radio for being a homer but the guys knows his stuff]

:r. Sorry I tend to tune out people like that regardless of what he's done I can't take him. Sorry
Just saying the Boston color Guy sounds like he's about to have a pleasurable release in his pants during any fight. Announcers like that just are tough to listen to

357 04-12-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1234159)
I dunno, Mike, I like Eddie O. I know I many be in the minority, but so be it.

I'm not a fan. He has moments, but that's about it.

mithrilG60 04-12-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1232670)
Canucks are better than last season, Hawks are not as good as last season. But the Canucks have the pressure of a country on their backs, and hopefully Luongo has some doubts in his head.

At this stage it's just a province, Montreal's still there to split the nations attention. Hell, they shifted the french language leaders debate in our current general election from Thursday night to Wednesday night so politics wouldn't have to compete for attention (and lose abysmally) with a Habs game ;)

As for Luongo, he's got a HORRIBLE playoff record but this year he's actually rested and doesn't have Byfuglien to deal with in his crease. I still think Luongo was too much of a pansy last year and that's what cost the Canucks the series. All Roberto had to do was decide to man up and take a single 2 minute minor for chopping Byfuglien's ankles out the first time he encroached on the crease. Not enough to injure, just to enough to get the message across that if you crash/park my cease it's going to HURT. If he'd done that it would have been a different series.

Either way, even if Luongo does go into his usual playoff mode..... in Cory Schneider we still have a backup who would have been the starting goalie on almost every other team in the league this year ;)

Should be a very good series!

mithrilG60 04-12-2011 01:33 PM

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I also think the NHL needs to seriously look at ditching the conference system all together. Yet again this year you have teams from the west, Dallas and Calgary, that finish with better records and more points than the 8th seeded team in the East yet they're off to the links while the Rangers prepare for a first round exit.

I like the idea of top 16 qualify regardless of conference or division. Then the teams pick like on a schoolyard; #1 picks their choice of first round opponent from the bottom 8, #2 then does the same followed by #3, #4, #5 and so on and so until all the 1st round matchups are decided. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds then move in a traditional tournament ladder based on the winners of the 1st round. That actually rewards the top placing teams for their effort and consistency over the regular season, prevents teams like this year's Rangers from piping teams with better records and makes for a more exciting playoffs.

icehog3 04-12-2011 02:06 PM

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I apologize for the semantics, Geoff, my bad.;s

Looking forward to a great series as well. :)

Ahbroody 04-12-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mithrilG60 (Post 1234228)
I also think the NHL needs to seriously look at ditching the conference system all together. Yet again this year you have teams from the west, Dallas and Calgary, that finish with better records and more points than the 8th seeded team in the East yet they're off to the links while the Rangers prepare for a first round exit.

I like the idea of top 16 qualify regardless of conference or division. Then the teams pick like on a schoolyard; #1 picks their choice of first round opponent from the bottom 8, #2 then does the same followed by #3, #4, #5 and so on and so until all the 1st round matchups are decided. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds then move in a traditional tournament ladder based on the winners of the 1st round. That actually rewards the top placing teams for their effort and consistency over the regular season, prevents teams like this year's Rangers from piping teams with better records and makes for a more exciting playoffs.

That doesnt work because of the unbalanced schedule. For example the Canucks played some of the worst teams in the west more. It effects their standing.

You can't have an unlevel field all year and then level it for the playoff. Conference and division play a large factor already. I just see no logic in throwing that out at the end. Sure everyone has a different view.

mithrilG60 04-12-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1234262)
That doesnt work because of the unbalanced schedule. For example the Canucks played some of the worst teams in the west more. It effects their standing.

You can't have an unlevel field all year and then level it for the playoff. Conference and division play a large factor already. I just see no logic in throwing that out at the end. Sure everyone has a different view.

You'd have to eliminate the conferences all together. The only reason that that that Canucks played some of the worst teams in the west more often is because their division just happened to be stacked with teams in rebuilding stages. That's definitely something that contributed to the Canucks winning the Presidents Trophy and it'll be interesting to see how they handle the playoffs.

I get the concept that the NHL is trying to go with where you play "local" teams more often creating a rivalry, etc. which in theory makes the regular season more exciting but I think it's failing when you have the 18th ranked team in the league in the playoffs and the 16th and 17th out and on the golf course. Just doesn't make sense. Plus it also means that local fans rarely get to see teams outside their own division or conference.

There are 30 teams in the NHL, I rather see it so each team plays the entire league 3 times as the regular season (or even just 2 times so that the regular season is shortened and hockey doesn't run so deep into summer anymore). That way there's no weak vs strong division/conference skewing results and the best 16 teams are in the playoffs regardless of whether the quota for eastern or western teams is filled. I'd also be quite happy to see a return to best of 5 playoff series for at least the first round and possibly the second as well.

Ahbroody 04-12-2011 05:32 PM

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No argument on that what so ever. I hate the unbalanced schedule. There are teams you only get to see every other year. Its a joke. All I was saying is that in the current creation you just can't do it. I would love to see the whole thing changed and then a true top16 playoff.

I think one of the main reasons it has not happened is cost. The league in some areas is barely holding. Add in a lot more travel and it will strain them more. Also I think a lot of teams don't want the travel. The studies on the impact of travel on teams like the canucks a few years ago. Teams look at that and think they don't want that. Especially many eastern clubs.

Eleven 04-12-2011 06:22 PM

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NHL draft lottery is streaming on nhl.com right now

mithrilG60 04-13-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 1234495)

I think one of the main reasons it has not happened is cost. The league in some areas is barely holding. Add in a lot more travel and it will strain them more. Also I think a lot of teams don't want the travel. The studies on the impact of travel on teams like the canucks a few years ago. Teams look at that and think they don't want that. Especially many eastern clubs.

Frankly the cost is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. The only teams that is an issue for are those in the questionable (at best) hockey markets that Bettman advocated/forced expansion into. Capitalism says sink or swim, there are a lot of smaller market cities in Canada that are more than capable of supporting an NHL team and Toronto can easily support 2 franchises + a team in Hamilton. It'd be a novel concept for many of the southern US market teams to move to Winnipeg, Hamilton, Regina, Victoria, etc and actually see sold out crowds instead of $30 tickets still resulting in thousands of empty seats every game. It's nothing against those teams or cities, they're just not hockey markets because the people that live there just have different interests.

As for travel schedules, these guys are big boys that are VERY well compensated for what they do. Their job is to play jockey whenever and wherever the league deems is best for the advancement of the game.....

Eleven 04-13-2011 07:07 AM

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Teams I am cheering for in the first round:

Los Angeles, Phoenix, Chicago, Nashville, Montreal, Buffalo, New York and of course Pittsburgh.


:banger

357 04-13-2011 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleven (Post 1234877)
Teams I am cheering for in the first round:

Los Angeles, Phoenix, Chicago, Nashville, Montreal, Buffalo, New York and of course Pittsburgh.


:banger

:td

jmsremax 04-13-2011 10:23 AM

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Teams I am cheering for in the first round:

Montreal

:td


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