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That Sir, is not the same thing. It would happen to anyone, any team that achieved as much. Had the, oh I don't know, Browns achieved as much, they would be the target and it would be just as slimy. My issue is the nebulous standard of "proof", not the Pats, as such. As I wrote, I don't really watch football much; I am a baseball fan. Someone once said that when society discovers just how much injustice we will take, that's just how much we're gonna get. As an aside, what does it say about the NFL's standard of justice when a batterer gets only a two game suspension? It says a lot.

And one more time: Why were the under-inflated Indy game balls seemingly ignored? Are they not subject to the same standards? That in itself points to extreme bias. Same day. Same rule. Same "infraction". Different results. One more thing: The Combined Gas Law precisely accounts for the pressure discrepancy as observed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_gas_law

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I could be wrong and if I am, please correct me.
The Indy balls were not affected. The balls were presented to the officials to be used for the game and after inspected, NE deflated them. I am confused as to how Indy deflated balls keeps coming up in this discussion as theirs were not deflated.

Also, repeat offenders are punished more severely. That happens in our legal system all the time. There is no argument NE is a repeat offender. I think the punishment is a clear message to the Patriots and the league that these types of unethical repeated offenses will not be tolerated.

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12.5 psi is the minimum allowed pressure. Page 73 of the Wells report states that the 4 randomly selected Indy balls after the game measured out at:

12.5 psi
12.1 psi
12.45 psi
12.35 psi

Where the Patriots balls measured out at:

13.15 psi
12.95 psi
12.95 psi
13.25 psi

:hm

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Ahh....thanks.

Fear not, while there may be disagreement on level of punishment, I think many if not all will agree it will be reduced.

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On appeal, Brady will be suspended 0-2 games is my prediction.

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Here's a thought that may help explain the punishment.

Bill Clinton was not impeached for the BJ.
He was impeached for lying about it.

Yup, poor Tom. :fp2

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The Starr Report outlined a case for impeaching Clinton on 11 grounds, including perjury, obstruction of justice, witness-tampering, and abuse of power.

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What were they at half time for the Patriots? Isn't that what started this entire debacle?

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Born in breed in Boston, well my mother family was from Lynn, but father's side all Boston. ;)


Oh course I was the only southerner in the bunch I was born in Miami Beach, like all good Jews should be. Oi! :lr

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We all knew you had issues......

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If only we could be so passionate about real issues.

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I think my phone knows something I don't :lr

You know, Boston blue bloods and all. :banger

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Justice is a real issue, Admiral. If we continue to accept lower and lower standards of it that's just what we'll get; that's why I'm so passionate about it. The news has been filled with reports of people convicted of murder being released because they've been exonerated by DNA evidence. Those people were convicted by a pretty high standard, "beyond a reasonable doubt" and that standard failed as well. Innocent people lost decades of their lives. If we expect justice for ourselves we must be scrupulous about defending it in all cases, no matter how small. Eternal vigilance, as Jefferson said. :salute:

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BJ's! Now that's what I'm talking about!

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:np

:po

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We need to start a movement to protest this blatant and pervasive corruption.

OCCUPY NFL.

WE can make signs, camp out in parking lots of the stadiums, break out our grills and cook on our tailgates, put up shade canopies, entertain ourselves by throwing a football to each other, maybe paint team logos on our bodies. That will get the message out that we will not tolerate this injustice.

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Serious issues......

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?????????????

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You're half right there, Adam. This thread is worthless. I'm out.

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I talk about it a lot. That's as far as it goes. :gary

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I've read the report and they were low. One of the problems is that the pressures measured before the game weren't recorded. Furthermore, the two gauges gave different readings as one had a bent needle. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but the sloppy evidence and low standard of proof remain inconclusive. The report in PDF is below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...,d.b2w&cad=rja

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What a bag job..this was a set up and the Colts were in on it.That alone violates NFL rules.

Tom did not have to give up his cell phone all the phones that were given up belonged to the Patriots..so if Tom text them it would be on the company phones.

They got nothing, Krafty Bob is pissed and heads will roll!!!

This is not over by a longshot.

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A murderer, a cheater and a liar show up at a bar.
One bartender looks at the other and says "the Patriots are in town".

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While I understand the point you are trying to make, Darren, I would hardly equate people on death row with their life in the balance to an NFL quarterback who makes 20 mil a year bring suspended for 4 games. That is what I meant by "real" issues.

And as has been pointed out for others, Brady isn't subject to any criminal penalties for the alleged indiscretion, so the burden of prove would be preponderance of the evidence, rather than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" of said murder suspects.

No real horse in this race, just mildly amused how wound up people on both sides get about a sports issue like this. Reminds me of the Cubs-White Sox people.

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My point above is that even high standards of proof fail. The standard of proof as displayed in the report doesn't rise above playground justice as it was based solely on the investigation, not a tribunal of any sort where both sides get to present evidence to an impartial adjudicator. It would be like the police deciding the guilt and punishment of whom they arrest. In this case the investigator, judge and jury were invested in a single entity. I think that's spooky on any level. He won't get paid during the suspension so four games adds up to 5 million dollars. The Constitution says:... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law... While it may not be a criminal penalty, It sure looks like one. Hell, the IRS has a higher standard.

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Hope he can still live on that 15 million he has left. :)

We just have different thoughts on how important this is in the grand scheme of things, but I don't begrudge you your feelings, Darren. If they suspended Jonathan Toews for scuffing pucks, I'd probably have an aneurism. :r

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How about the 50+ un-investigated abuse charges against NFL players, I think I've heard enough about Tom's balls.

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now THAT'S funny!!!!:r

Re: Tom Brady
 

Hey guys, you all need to clam down!

What difference does it now make! That's a quote.

It is what it is now and then what it will be, after the appeals are heard!

Re: Tom Brady
 

Hey everybody:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxr2PJ06Y4

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Local DJ said if they really wanted to punish people they would force Brady to play for Cleveland and Bill should have to coach the Jags. :lr

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Screw that. Send Bill back to Cleveland with him. :r

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I think just for Darren et. al, the investigators should be granted subpoena power so they can get Tom's phone records, get all his texts related to this over the last 24 months. Put Tom, the EQM, the other cat & a few others in front of a grand jury and see how it shakes out.

I'm sure that Tom, his agent, the Pats ect. all would prefer the truth come out and clear Tom & the franchises name. Sure we'd see some "proof" then...unless this is a witch hunt...

Re: Tom Brady
 

You are right, except I think he may have used a private server and everything has been destroyed.
I may have facts confused.

Re: Tom Brady
 

Michael Vick, branching out.

Re: Tom Brady
 

Brady is going to war..this guy kicks the NFL's ass!! :sl
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pat...for-legal-team

Re: Tom Brady
 

Tom Brady could do that better even with deflated breasts.

Re: Tom Brady
 

Funny, I don't recall commenting one way or the other on this, "issue" but merely your overreaction to it.

Re: Tom Brady
 

http://www.doyouremember.co.uk/uploa...the-Bear21.jpg

(Yes, sadly enough I vaguely remember watching this show as a young kid. Don't judge me!)

Re: Tom Brady
 

Okay...Where was your beef with all this during Bountygate?

Re: Tom Brady
 

:lr

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New billboards up in the New York area ...

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-conte...-billboard.jpg

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Re: Tom Brady
 

How sad... Jets should worry about their own season first.

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I thought it sounded personal.

Re: Tom Brady
 

As I had written a few places before, I don't really watch much football. I'm not very familiar with that. Was it the same BS procedure? What were your thoughts on that?

Re: Tom Brady
 

Wow! Could you repeat that in a German accent? You would really grant subpoena power to a private entity? People so in love with force scare the hell out of me.

Re: Tom Brady
 

Sure! (In perfect German accent) - I think just for Darren et. al, the investigators should be granted subpoena power so they can get Tom's phone records, get all his texts related to this over the last 24 months. Put Tom, the EQM, the other cat & a few others in front of a grand jury and see how it shakes out.

I'm sure that Tom, his agent, the Pats ect. all would prefer the truth come out and clear Tom & the franchises name. Sure we'd see some "proof" then...unless this is a witch hunt...