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In 2013, the median salary for the Yankees was $2.425 million. In 2013, the median salary for the Red Sox was $3.6 million, or over a million dollars more.

Yeah, the Yankees try to buy championships. :r

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nope, we probably are still a 70-75 win team next year. Tanaka would have been nice, but I'm glad we didn't offer what the Yanks did. 7 years is too long imo.

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7 years as instant contenders, Nate! :)

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Funny. There was a guy around here who looked a lot like you a while back, and he had no problem with a player 6 years older than Tanaka getting a 10-year contract, even to the point of scoffing when I suggested that a 7-year deal might have been better. Gee, I wish there was some way I could go back and re-read those posts to refresh my feeble memory.

:D

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Was he a pitcher?:rolleyes:

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Not on the Yanks, and 7 years is too long for a pitcher.

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Well, WS signed Ventura to a multiyear extension, that makes you instant what...mashed taters, maybe? :) ;s

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Don't like Ventura I see, shocking:r

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I liked Nolan Ryan giving him a noogie, Nate! :)

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I agree. By the same token, 10 years was too long for Cano. Thus the only beef we have stems from your Yankee-hating bias, not from baseball realities.

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You didn't answer my question

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What question? Was Cano a pitcher? What the fark kind of question is that? Don't be obtuse in an attempt to avoid MY point. THAT is the question which is being ignored here, and it is starting to really piss me off. And avoiding my question by accusing me of avoiding your question REALLY pisses me off!

As I have said repeatedly, I have no problem with people having an opinion, but they need to pick one. For meaningful discussion it is best if said opinion is based upon facts, which in this case refers to baseball realities. Contradictory rants based upon prejudices do not constitute rational and logical discussion. I agreed with you that 7 years was too long for a pitcher, but it is no worse than committing $21 million to a 41-year-old infielder in 2024. You faulted the Yankees for being reluctant to do this, then turn around and fault them again for committing $22 million for a 32-year-old pitcher in 2021. And then you can't see any logical discrepancy in this attitude? Or are you just deliberately trying to get my goat, or simply have no valid thoughts to offer?

When I reported the signing of Tanaka, I made it plain I had no thoughts yet as to whether or not this was good for the Yankees. How could I . . . how could anyone . . . when the kid hasn't thrown a single pitch in the majors? This may turn out to be a disaster, but even if so it won't be the end of the world . . . not even for the Yankees, much less a literal end to all existence. I know this. I also know that, if he is anywhere near as good as people think he will be, he could very well earn that 7-year deal. One can hope, or, if one truly hates the Yanks that much, one can hope the opposite . . . as long as he admits it's out of hatred and poor sportsmanship. And THAT'S the question you keep dodging . . . namely, do you have any valid baseball thoughts to offer, or are you merely venting bilious spleen?

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Thomas, I don't have the time nor inclination to fully dispute you and your lousy attitude, but I will touch on a few points and hopefully be done. There is a significant difference between an infielder and a pitcher. Health and longevity are just 2 metrics one could use to place value on a particular contract. Just 2 but they are important. Maybe that's still "obtuse" for you.. Also, just a side note, but I can have any opinion I want about any contract I want, no matter what team it is. You seem to think you and your Yanks are sooo damn important that if anyone talks about them, you take it personally. You need to lighten up. Another point, you're immature comments about me merely venting or not offering any valid baseball thoughts are really cheap and simple minded, actually no, just plain asinine. Again, you really need to lighten up Thomas. I get the feeling you've been told that before too. I haven't personally attacked you so for you to do so was offensive and the easy way out. Grow up, lighten up, and be nice.

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I thought I remembered you having a similar attitude... my memory is gooood:D

for the record, MLB 2012 thread, post #443

Originally Posted by The Poet
Jesus Christ, you guys are absolutely hopeless! Of course I root for the Yankees, and want them to win! But make up you damn mind, if you have one to make up! Do you want me to be wrong, just because the Yanks are my team? What nonsense is that? In your eyes, if the Yanks win it all, I and my fellow NY fans are all @$$holes. If NY loses, we are @$$holes who got what they deserved. Get over your damn selves, stop worring about what happens in The Bronx, and concentrate on winning your own damn games, instead of trying not to lose as many as the next guy, and backing into the playoffs!

Sheesh.

Sorry, but I can only take so much foolishness before I pop.



I'm logging off now, as I've had enough for one day. Bye.
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My response, post #446:
I'm flattered you feel that I'm so concerned about your beloved Yanks.. not really.. Why don't you review what you've been posting recently in this thread? You are the one that is so damn worried about other teams like the Tigers and Sox... Take a chill pill, the Central is not taking any press away from the Yanks.. You're not going to lose any bandwagon fans because of the Central... Get over yourself and your team. For you to post such a crazy response is hard to understand, I mean, your team is making the postseason right?? Anyway, don't worry about what happens in the AL Central, Tom and I can take care of that for you Maybe you are just a bit worried about the Tigers walking on you guys again

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Garza news: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/...&vkey=news_mlb

Not sure if the brew crew need him, I thought they were semi rebuilding?

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Guys, please keep it on topic and not personal here on the Forum. If you guys feel the need to go for each other's jugulars, please head to PMs. :)

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I should add that I couldn't directly quote the 2012 thread, it's locked. It's probably best to just go back and read the posts.

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Agreed:). I'm not after anyone's jugular though.

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Nice. I just youtubed this at work tonight for one of my supervisors who had never seen it. Still love this...never gets old seeing Nolan put him in a headlock.:r

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Pitchers and catchers report in two week.
The WORLD CHAMPION Boston Red Sox will be looking to repeat :D

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I heard yesterday that Greg Maddux is going into the HOF as a no-logo. He can't decide whether to go in as a Brave or Cubbie. I started thinking about it on the way home yesterday, and I remember him playing, and marveling at his control, as a Brave. But when I see him in my head, he's wearing a Cubs hat.
Randy Johnson is up next year. I wonder what he'll do? He's as much a Diamondback as he is a Mariner, time split pretty much evenly, and his best stats as a Diamondback.
I don't see him as anything but a Mariner. Kinda the same as Maddux, but I'd understand if Maddux went in under the Braves logo. It wouldn't feel right if Johnson went in as a Diamondback.

Which begs the question, why can't guys go in under two logos? What the heck is the difference? Most guys finish their careers heavily weighted to one team, or they used to. Now it's not odd for a pitcher to see 10 teams in a career.
I just wondered what you guys thought?

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Good points, Scott, I wouldn't have an issue with "dual citizenship" either.

I am most concerned with it wil be as a Cub, Yankee, Tiger, Brave, Royal, Ray, Blue Jay or Pirate when Kyle Farnsworth is inducted. :)

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Yah Kyle is a lock, he better start trying to decide now just so when the time comes he's ready and committed, well one of you should be committed. :D

Here is an interview that talks about about the process, too much to put here, no hijacking, but it's a combination of the HOF staff and researchers and then they have conversations with the player to make sure the player is ok with the choice. They talk about about Gary Carter not being happy with the HOF deciding he should go in representing the Expos.

Edit: forgot to link the interview, there goes my shot at the Hall. :sad:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...terview/090723

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I see why they can't do the dual citizenship thing, being there's a cast of them with the logo on their cap. It makes me wonder if anyone has entered with a no-logo?
Adam, go look that up. You're not doin anything.

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I agree, two logos is better than not going in with any at all. Maddux needs to be a Cub and Brave

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Scott, I read yesterday as part of that Maddux story that some players, faced with the same dilemma, have entered the HOF with no logo, but I don't remember which. I'll look and see if I can find it again.

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According to the article on mlb.com, nine players are now in the HOF without logos: Yogi Berra, Catfish Hunter, Andy Cooper, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Biz Mackey, Luis Santop, Ben Tayor, and Cristobal Torriente. New inductee Tony La Russa has also chosen to have no logo.

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Breaking down the Top 100 prospects, the Red Sox have more than any other team with 9, while the Yankees continue to try to buy players instead of have a good farm system have only 1 in the top 100.

Chad Finn has this to say: "Mookie Betts had an electrifying breakthrough to the point he might be the best second base prospect in the minors right now." Catcher prospect Blake Swihart is being favorably compared to Buster Posey, and third baseman prospect Garin Cecchini has been called a "future AL batting champion" by at least two farm system directors. Finally, the Red Sox have, according to Baseball America, "the deepest haul of pitching prospects in any team in the majors."

Life is good.

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One of these days somebody will be able to say something positive about their team without simultaneously feeling the necessity to try to insult another team in the process. But evolution is slow, and mankind has a long way to go to reach enlightenment.

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Buster Who? :lr

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Catcher / 1st Baseman for the SF Giants, from what I can see he's a .300 hitter, guess he has other tools though. (I didn't really get the comparison either but I suppose it's a compliment to him).

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When they say he's the next Kyle Farnsworth, then I will be impressed. Kyle could catch almost as amazingly as he could pitch.

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Totally agree, Tom, I hear he has amazing range at short when he played for the Yankees, ok not amazing but better than Jeter. :r

Oh and TP it's called a rivalry.

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Let's Go Mets!!

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No, it's called a lack of class, which is what passes for sportsmanship in Boston. :r

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Interesting comment.

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Last warning, fellas. Keep it civil.

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I'd love to, Peter, if others would refrain from poking bears for no reason other than to poke bears. :r

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Since you feel compelled to hash this out publicly, I will let you know that you are part of the problem. I can't be any more clear.

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Ortiz looking for a multi-year deal at 39, I can see one year + one or two(max) that are incentive heavy. Lester says he wants to come back and is willing to give a big hometown discount to stay in Boston like Dustin P. did, how can you not love guys like that?

With Grady Sizemore signed the Red Sox have assured themselves of selling many many more pink hats this season, there was some concern with Dreamboat (Ellsbury) leaving town to cash in that the pink hats would leave the team in droves without someone to replace him.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/...pse9832364.jpg

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Damn good deal considering he's their #1 catcher.

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Lol of course it's hard to bail on the tigers

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Yah I would have to say if I was catching that staff I'd do it for rent and 2 meals a day. :r

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Squid for brunch, and pancakes for dinner.

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Nah, in the majors it's calamari and crepes.

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and I'd skip brunch.

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ST where you at?

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NESN has a count down to Moving Truck Day, the day they pack up the gear and head south for ST, it's practically a holiday in Boston with all the news outlets covering it live and 100s of people show up to send off the trucks.

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You ever head to FL to games? Wish I had time to fly to AZ to watch the the White Sox. Warm weather, baseball, mini vaca sounds nice right about now.

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Grew up in Satellite Beach for years and years the Dodgers and a few other teams all had spring training right around us, one year we went and saw the Dodgers in ST, i have an old polaroid of me and Sandy K and a ball he signed for me, and that was WAY back when.