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Just wanted to get it clear and not mislead people into thinking there's potential for tax deductions here.

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you are also getting something in return, which voids the deduction to begin with :2

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I love Tats and I enjoy my LE Tats as much as anyone, but I'd prefer to spend my $150/year on cigars of my choosing and keep up with Tat news through the already-existing channels. I won't be signing on to this.

Your username is highly pertinent to this discussion.

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So I guess you get a different sampler for every year you renew the membership as well?

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I was being facetious.........

Actually, it only voids the deduction up to the market value of the good/service received. IE - if you buy a $2,000 car (market value determined from Kelly's blue book in this scenario) for $90,000 at a Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Awareness event, you could deduct $88,000 as a Charitable Contribution (assuming SGKBCA is a 401(c)(3) corporation).

Of course, in this scenario with Tatuaje, I can assure you the Market Value of the sampler + swag that is being tossed around would be accepted as more than $150

But back on topic - I doubt I'll pick this up. I like the Tat LEs if I can find them, but I gave up actively pursuing them a while ago. Now I have to see them in the WTS section or in my local B&M to care :)
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Internet Explorer???

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Is there any way to get signed up if you didn't get the e-mail? I just went to Tat's homepage and put my email address in, but I kind of want to get in with the first crack if possible :noon

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The link to sign up

http://thesnsclub.com/sns/sns.php

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When I first got the email I was concerned with the price tag and the email not really saying what you are getting as far as cigars and swag. I went to the forum that Pete posts on reg and searched the Saints & Sinners thread there to see what all was said. Pete say's in the open forum that included in the price is 15 cigars, a mix of reg line, exclusive, and prototype cigars. Also have read including in this thread guys that have talked to Pete and also included is swag. Everything from hat and shirt to a hoodie?

If you like Tatuaje cigars then it is prob worth the money to join and get the cigars alone with the other perks. If your not a fan then of course it is not worth it to you. And if Pete says in a open forum that 15 cigars are included then I take his word on that. You can pay yet anyway at this time. The whole purpose of signing up now is so they will have an idea of how many cigars they will need on hand to send out to members.

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:banger

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I signed up so I can bask in the glory that is the Saints and Sinners lifestyle. I feel sexy. :noon

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This thread, I just dont get it, Must be time for the Lunch stogie :)

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So does enrolling in this club give you automatic access to the bitch & lovers club or the child & mothers club? If so, Meredith Brooks is in.;s

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Did anyone else read that kind of like the promises and premises of the owner of a random cigar forum to remain nameless? :hm

Obviously there will be plenty of people who buy into the 'Saint and Sinner Lifestyle', but spending money to be a member of an exclusive cult errrr club won't be for most. :2

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Precisely why I'm interested........what's the impetus behind joining an exclusive club with no exclusivity :sh

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I read it as being a lot less exclusive than people are making it out to be. 5% off Tatuaje hats, Pete youtube videos and being able to buy samplers the week before everyone else is hardly worth it to me. I highly doubt that he will be rolling exclusive blends for the 'club' or having people weighing in on the next cigars to blend. If it gives you the impression of being closer to the man and that you are in the inner circle, then I guess the 'exclusivity' is yours. :2

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Anyone that wants to join my inner circle can enter any time you want. Just stop over and we'll have a cup of coffee and you can smoke any of my exclusive cigars you like. There's a very good chance I'll send you away with a new member fiver, too.
If you like, you can watch my youtube videos and join my facebook. You can even have dinner with us. If I have something you truly need, I'll be happy to give you 100% off on it, and you won't ever have to renew your membership.
If you're coming through and need somewhere to stay, we'll make room for you.
We'll have a real good time, and you won't have to have signed up in advance.
I mean that from the bottom of my heart, and I'd venture to guess that a very large portion, if not all the botl's here express the same sentiment.

I think that's why this whole "exclusive saints and sinners lifestyle" thing tends to rub the wrong way. In my book, as brothers, we are all equal, and are to love each other to the very best of our ability every day. We see it happening here every day.
If anyone wonders "why the animosity?", there ya have it.
I hope to think no one is truly upset, and I don't think anyone is, it's just a departure from the brotherly aspect of what we do, and that can't be denied.
It's probably a bit "cookie-jar-ish". When has someone taken enough from the community that he's overstepped some heartfelt line?
I think Pete, albeit a good natured, nice and decent guy, stepped right over that line with this one. I'm guessing a lot of the brothers feel exactly the same way. It's upsetting, and it's disappointing.
I personally feel he's gone from BOTL to Thompson's Cigars with this move, which is okay if that's what he wants, but I somehow feel both alienated and less than worthy of his presence.
And I don't like it.
Despite that, I wish him the best, and I wish him all I'd want for myself and my family, plus a whole lot more. :tu

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great post scott
100% agree
:tu

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I think a lot of people are reading too far into this.

Think of it like buying a 15ct box of cigars at an event, so swag is included. This "club" is open to everyone and there is no limit to the amount of people that can join. Renew next year if you want the new 15ct sampler.

Some people just like to suck the fun out of everything..

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:tpd: I like to try different cigars everyday if possible. I find most, not all, LE sticks I smoke to be different and most of the time better than most of the regular production sticks I've smoked. Part of the problem for me with buying any cigar online is the cost of shipping. It makes no sense to buy just one cigar for $10 and get s/h charges for $5 on top of that. I see this as an opportunity to get a nice 15 count sampler of different sticks that will likely all be very good.

As far as "all the animosity" goes, Scott, your post was not full of it. IMO, you posted very worthwhile comments which are your own thoughts and feelings. I do tire of seeing the ol' "ad homenim." Your post was not full of that. If I'm ever remotely in your neck of the woods I'd love to take you up on your offer. This "club" thing has nothing to do with that whatsoever, though.

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You're certainly welcome to come see us, Mario. :)
You're right about that club being none of that. All politics aside, it's not a bad deal if you like Tat's to get 15 smokes for that money. Period. Especially an opportunity to try some blends that didn't make the cut. If you're a real Tat fan, that's good stuff right there.

I just cringe every time I see the division in the brotherhood that everything Pete Johnson brings. There's gotta be a reason for that. My reasoning could be completely off the beam, but after watching it go on for so long, it's the best I could offer.
Personally, I'd just like to see it all go away. It sure doesn't need to be like this, and even Gurkha and Rocky Patel don't raise the negative emotion that Pete does.
Weird, right?

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Some people just aren't happy without someone to hate.

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:tpd:

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I would join if I had the coin, I see it as a chance for true Tat fans to get some goodies. If Habanos SA created a club I'd join in a heartbeat. Like Stick and Landhoney pointed out craft brewers have been doing it for a while. If he sets it up the same way, it gives loyal customers access to product that is too expensive or scarce to constantly produce for the general market. It will reward folks for buying his product which will hopefully help him sustain a healthy business and loyal following. The object of business is to make money and if this helps then by all means...

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I cringe every time someone decides to pass judgement on Pete, when all he is doing is what people ASK him to do, release (mostly great) cigars. Someone on another board was *****ing because Pete said he was going to give some of the money to charity...REALLY? I understand if you don't want to support Pete if he is giving money to a Charity you don't like, but do you really have to deride him for that?

I was there when the idea of the "Fan Club" was discussed, some of the people I was with actually kinda talked Pete into it (or at least gave him some reasons why he should do it)...It made perfect sense at the time, a membership with exclusive stuff that anyone who WANTS to can join, and those that don't can choose NOT to join.

Would people prefer he not release ANY new stuff? Or only on a specific schedule? One new cigar every 6 months? Or is that still "too many"?

PETE is not the one causing the division, it is the "BOTL" who ***** and moan about EVERY NEW RELEASE, as if it has not been said Ad nauseam.

Pete is in the business to A. Release cigars and B. Make money releasing cigars. If you have a problem with either, don't BUY the cigars (or related products he is selling).

Is it really that hard to understand?

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Cigars smoker society is not different from society itself. Different products for different people. We are all equal as BOLT but heh, cigars dont have equals value. There lies the difference I do think.

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Well said Brooks! Get off Pete's Nuts and live your own life!:tu Cigars are for the most part a "Man thing"... Some of these guys need to realize that and start acting as such.... or they need to give up cigars start smoking cigarettes and/or blunts and join a F'n pole dancing class! I believe "P. Diddy" said it best! NO *****ASSNESS!!! We really need to adopt this theme and take it to heart in the cigar community!

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I don't think the "BOTL" are the reason he releases a new cigar every day....I'm sorry I think it's because he's a whore and just wants to pad his wallet with money from cigars that all taste the same. Along with some dumb@$$ trendy name, band or packaging. He's the Justin Bieber of the cigar world. A joke. In my book his good cigars are about 2/10 so he's shooting 20% IMO.

I've stated this before he's laughing in your faces......Tatuaje - Tattoo....are you kidding me?!?! Tattoo Tattoo......that's just so creative, notice how he's putting the same bands on his cigars now? Not even changing the bands! Just the words on them! I feel like I'm preaching on deaf ears though.

I want to see a post where someone says "PETE PLEASE RELEASE 400+ CIGARS A YEAR!" Then I want to see say..... 10,000 people that agree. You won't find that anywhere.....it doesn't exist. No one is forcing him to release 400+ cigars a year.

The only people that defend Pete are the few that can afford to keep buying all these LE cigars. So of course if you have the coin you're going to say RELEASE MOAR!!!!! If you, like most people cannot afford 400 boxes a year.... you are probably sick and tired of this pathetic charade.

Come to the dark side, we have cookies.

:2 :2 :2 :2 My 8 cents.

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This comment was completely unnecessary. Let's all try and not attack people directly please. In this post there are attacks on Pete Johnson AND those who buy his cigars. I am not a mindless idiot and I am not "one of the only people..." but that's what I hear you saying in this post. "Smoke what you like." THAT is what a BOTL would say.

In a polite debate one does not attack a person and that is what is being done in this thread.

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Dude, you should stop talking out of your ass if you don't know what you are talking about.

Pete released the "Tattoo" cigar so that he could back up his Trademark of the term "Tattoo" in court, NOT because he got lazy and just made up a name.

There does not HAVE to be a post with people asking him to release 400 new cigars...The reason we know people WANT him to release new cigars is that EVERY ONE of his LEs sell out.

If there is a market for his continued LEs (and other cigars) and people keep buying them, then he will (and SHOULD) keep making them. That is called Capitalism, pure and simple.

If don't want to buy the cigars, then don't. If you want to believe that everyone who buys them is a Sheeple, then you can. But saying that Pete should stop selling different cigars just because YOU can't afford to buy all of them is just asinine.

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I don't see you making the same comments about Andre Bill and I buy his LE stuff too! Now on the flip side if you want to talk about money, I'd have to really readjust some things if I wanted to start buying boxes of some of the Cuban LE's i've seen! Hell when the partagas black/brown jar was released, it was 575! There are LGC Jars going for 1000, Behikes going for 350-400 (for the 52's!) I don't see you *itching about those!

I'll come to the dark side when/if i'm good and ready....

As far as your 20% comment... I say MORE FOR ME BROTHA!:tu

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[quote=Brooks W;1239975If don't want to buy the cigars, then don't. If you want to believe that everyone who buys them is a Sheeple, then you can. But saying that Pete should stop selling different cigars just because YOU can't afford to buy all of them is just asinine.[/QUOTE]

I know, right? I don't buy all of the LE's he or others make because I can't. I also can't buy all of the LE/regional/etc. cigars that Habanos SA puts out. That doesn't mean I'm ranting and raving for them to stop making them. Hell, I can't even buy them here! I think it's great that some of my BOTL can enjoy those sticks. Why should I hate?

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Wow all this over cigars. Seriously they are just tobacco with a band wrapped around it. If you dont like the band find a different. Each band is still a company after all and companies want to make money. I saw this just as a new marketing idea that was different. So are all the CC lovers going to start griping over all the REs and LEs they make next.

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Cancelled. Haters gonna' hate. :)

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Yeah, saw that earlier, I was going to post something, but I wanted to see if Pete was going to pull a second "GOTCHA SUCKA!"

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Sign me up.

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So, is this comment from Pete on Facebook a joke or what? Most likely a joke, but heck, who knows with Pete:

"Truthfully everyone. My new contract with Davidoff will not allow the S&S club but they do have plans to keep the Monster Series next year."

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Pretty sure Pete is joking. As another BOTL told me, he set up a company in FL so we wouldn't have to pay taxes.

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Pete is a marketig genius. He really is. I think his twitter profile says it all:
"lifestyle brand designer"

I like his cigars, but I do t chase any LEs down. I'm too early in my career, with too many other financial concerns to worry about. He'll, I can't afford smoke at all right now, so I don't partake.

Guys, it's just a plant. Be glad you have the money to enjoy the hobby. Relax, and smoke em if you got em. Whatever 'em' are.

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This post was totally unnecessary. Hope the mods delete it.

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OT. Sorry for the typos. Mobile phone.

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If smoking CC's and joining the "darkside" exclusively, means acting like an incredulous d-bag, count me out! This was quite possibly the most inane and inappropriate post I have read in here.........you sir are fail :td

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I actually hope they leave it up. I get a better idea of who our fellow cellmates are and how they think. The way I look at Internet forums is that they are like towns or cities. You don't want to be buddies with everyone in your town for whatever reason, same thing is true online. If posts like that are removed you lose a lot of insight as to who is behind the avatar.

To each their own, chase what you like, smoke what you like. If you want to mow down 'Free Cuba's' all day long then go for it, just don't expect me to smoke 'em and don't be dissapointed that I won't.

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Looks like Pete's cancellation tweet was a practical joke after all.

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Wow this thread went downhill fast.
I am waiting to see if they officially confirm the sampler. If they do than I will more than likely pay the price to play. 15 sticks for $150 (for Tats) is not too bad so if I end up never using any of the discounts it's no big deal. I will look at it the same as if I bought a sampler here from another BOTL. I think all around Pete is getting beat up on this S&S thing which is why your seeing some of the posts on Facebook regarding S&S and people being pissy. My only issue was the e-mail that was released was rather vague and did not mention getting any solid goods in return for your membership fee like mentioned in previous posts. The actual idea of the club itself does not bother me just the fact that before the released e-mail Pete mentioned getting sticks and swag in return for joining where as the e-mail basically said it will be $150 for a lot of fluff and never mentioned the hard goods.

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You've been around long enough to know better than that. If it's about Tat and Pete is mentioned, it's guaranteed to go downhill in, oh, about 3 posts. But hey, it's all about the brotherhood, right. -(P

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Back to the original question. I will be joining. :D

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As will I.

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Well, you know what they say... "When people you don't even know hate you, then you know you've made it."

Or something like that.