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Any Penguins ticket holders thinking of doing the same, PM me :)

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Just noticed that some random guy in the "Entourage" intro is wearing a Chicago Wolves jersey. :r

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So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

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NHL coming down on the first Kovalchuk deal..

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I thought the deal between the NHLPA and the NHL done a couple weeks ago said there would be no reprisals for the prior deals? :confused:

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Prior deals. This one was still open apparently. Kind of sad that the devils got hit and other teams skated. Glad this was done though. They were abusing the system and its badfor the game.

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I don't like the ruling. The NHL employs lawyers to prevent loopholes in the collective bargaining, and the Devils took advantage of the lawyers mistakes. I think this is just the NHL trying to blame someone else other than themselves.

The thing I don't get is that the NHL changed the rules of contracts now. So why try and make an example of the team when other teams cannot do this anymore?

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Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....

Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....





For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

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Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

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Perhaps anticipating coming changes in the NHLPA contract?

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My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. :D

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Peksy? Why I oughtta....


;) :r :D

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I get all that but still other teams made similar deals and there was no punishment to them. The league changed the rules now to prevent similar deals. The punishment seems excessive for something the league should have foreseen happening.

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I stand behind my assertion that what the Devils did was cheating. The fine and loss of picks seems to confirm that.

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No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

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http://www.hockeygiant.com/20100915h...)&utm_content=

More of a classic skate guy, but these are kind of sexy.

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Cheat: to violate rules or regulations.

The CBA is a document, not some idea floating around in the air. Rules are defined within the document. If the document doesn't explicitly prohibit the terms of said contract, it's not cheating. BTW, this is not an argument based upon symantics. It's how the law works.

It's the GMs jobs to do the best they can within the defined rules. Not the rules as they exist in Bettman's brain, or memory; but as they exist in black and white on the document that is the CBA.

"They cheated" is just whining IMO.

Some GMs were more aggressive at using this lack of legal forsight than others. The Devil's were more aggressive and pissed off Bettman. Subsequintly they got pimped. The Devils should appeal the ruling.


P.S. Please don't take this as an attack, its not. It is also not personal nor meant to cause an argument. I just respectfully disagree with your position.

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Not going to waste the time debating you. I will refer you to the arbitrators finding and the penalties leveled. Go take it up with him and people with a lot more knowledge and experience on the matter then either of us. I already discussed this above in very basic terms. The Devils did nothing different then the other teams. The league wanted the loophole closed and to set an example. As part of the agreement with the PA they decided to leave the other Ks alone, not because they were different.

As someone with a law degree and a little more knowledge on K law then you I will respectfully disagree and not discuss this with you further. I have no intrest in banging my head against the wall with you again. Sorry its no fun.

I dont know why I cant resist replying when I know its wasted breath, but I guess I am a masochist.

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Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. :ih

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Mike, I agree with pretty much everything you said, except what I bolded. IMHO, the cap was put in place to allow, and with the minimum cap, make the smaller markets competitive, creating parity. A byproduct of that is difficulty in creating a dynasty. I don't think the league has a problem with dynasties, but with small markets being uncompetitive.

Semantics? Maybe, but that's how I see it, and I think there's a difference.

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:r
Maybe my wife was right last night when she said I was acting like a bish. This keto diet does makr me a bit grumpy.

Joel no issue here with you take on bold. I just think the league instituted the cap to kill dynastys and give more teams a chance to win the cup. So teams cant buy championships anymore. We dont need the Yankees in hockey. It has worked by the way I know we both agree on that.

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NHL fantasy projection on Duncan Keith...I loved this one!

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Interesting Sharks bringing in Andreas Lilja for a tryout after he refused a tryout with with the Wings.

Tom it says strapping not strapon settle down.

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Yea he turned it down partly because he turned down a 1 year deal earlier in the offseason and we have too many 1-way players on D. No chance he cracks our D rotation.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

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He has a face I just wanna punch. Honest.

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Focking stammering idiot. How about you practice that speech in the mirror a few times or hell just read it before you go up and speak. Jebus. I am a closet Leafs fan and that just made me sad. Jerseys alright :tu

If he did practice then holy crap talk about dark days ahead.

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That was pretty bad. Not sure if I care one way or the other in who gets the 'C' there, but he has one LONG road ahead to prove he fits in with Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark.

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Preseason for the Wings starts tonight :wo

Looking forward to seeing Jakub Kindl play. Drafted 5 years ago in the Crosby draft. Hoping he can crack our D rotation and get some youth infused there. Dude has some skill just hopefully he shows up during the preseason and more importantly for the season.

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The Leafs were awful yesterday...that Phaneuf play was hilarious...

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You talking about the second goal where the winger skated right past him and scored?

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I've been pumped for him to break into the NHL as well. He's got decent size and skates really well. It sounds like he could turn into a point producing D.

I'm also interested to see how Modano plays. He should be able to do some damage on the thrid line with Jiri Hudler.

The Detroit News was saying Zetterberg showed up to camp a few pounds lighter. He should have a little more pep in his step and can hopefully avoid any back issues.

Go Red Wings.

Eric

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Any of you Detroit fans have links to streams of this game? Its not being televised. I know that 105.9FM in Pittsburgh is broadcasting it, haven't checked to see if they have online streaming yet.

Go Pens :)

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Ahh...first taste of hockey tonight. Oh how I missed it.

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I thought Morin and Makarov looked good, and I think Turco is going to add a whole new dimension to the breakout. :tu

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Anyone got an old visor they are not using? I want to get one for coaching this year, but dont want to drop 50. Little turds love getting their sticks up.

Trying not to waste money and aint going to wear my birdcage out there.

Sharks lose opener 5-2 nittymaki gives up 4 goals on 12 shots.

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First preseason game and Franzen takes a knee-to-knee hit. :fl

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Did they say if he will be ok?

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They said it was a charley horse, sounds like he'll be okay. I didn't see the game but they said Derek Meech left early as well. Some sort of head injury. Please don't let this be another injury-plagued season for the Wings.

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I'll take a look through my gear tonight, might still have mine laying around. I switched back to a full cage after taking a puck to the lip a couple years ago. Ten stitches; five on the outside and five inside the mouth :td Oh, and I had a rookie doc with some shakey hands. I'll shoot you a PM if I can find my old visor.

Eric

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I heard it on the radio on my way in. At the time they didn't know yet.

Apparently now it's no big deal

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....s_charley.html

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Yeah once everyone gets used to it and communicating, it should lead to some good chances. It was funny to see him get called for icing last night lol.

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Yeah back when I played my wife explained that I needed to work to make money and looking cool, or not wanting to wear a bird cage and getting injured in beer league

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Go Habs Go!! I hope they do something this year. They did quite well last season. What a piss off that they did not keep Halak. I would have paid him a lot more than St.Louis. Price is just awful, which was completely noticeable during the Boston game.

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The habs should have an interesting season for sure. Price needs to be given a chance to develop, he has all the skills to be a great goaltender. It's all about the metal game at this point.

Personally I think that he was rushed into the NHL and should have played in Hamilton as a starter for a couple years before he was thrown into the gauntlet that is Montreal. I'm hoping the Montreal fans give him some time to move into the #1 role before chopping his head of but I'm not holding my breath (other day vs. Boston is an example).

The biggest problem that I see in Montreal is size. The Habs have been small down the middle for many years and still have not adressed this issue. There aren't many guys that are going to be able to stack up physically against opponents big guys. So it will be interesting to see how they match up :2

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My buddy took a high-stick to the face a week before his wedding, three stitches on his cheek. I still remember how angry his wife was. If they weren't getting married the next week she probably would have gave him a couple stitches on the other cheek.

Couldn't find the old visor. I bet my wife tossed it away after we got the hospital bill for the stitches.

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Such is life. Likely going to buy a new bucket anyways. My old Itech bucket is birth control edition. Not the best looking helmet out there. :r

Going to take the little man to the game tonight. Wanted to move the seats, but no one is buying preseason stuff. The ***** is I am going to have to give away tomorrow nights game I bet as I have to work. Then I am likely going to have to take him again on wednesday. Atlest they are opening up in europe so I will get some time to move the first home gain seats. PITA!!

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Wade Redden is going on waivers today at noon. Good riddance!

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His wife gave birth last night. The Rangers wanted to congratulate the happy couple in style.

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Sharks game last night had like 5 fights in 1 min. Of course I sold the tickets and misse it as the game was not on tv.