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Eleven 09-11-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 984039)
got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

Any Penguins ticket holders thinking of doing the same, PM me :)

icehog3 09-12-2010 11:08 PM

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Just noticed that some random guy in the "Entourage" intro is wearing a Chicago Wolves jersey. :r

357 09-13-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Barcode (Post 985357)
Restricted free-agent center Peter Mueller re-signed with the Colorado Avalanche on Friday, agreeing to a two-year contract.

Hopefully the youth movement will get the AVS back on top of the west.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...lanche-mueller

So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

GreekGodX 09-13-2010 06:04 PM

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NHL coming down on the first Kovalchuk deal..
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Devils penalized over Kovalchuk deal -ESPN.com news services

The New Jersey Devils ended up with Ilya Kovalchuk in the end, but it is costing them more and more.

Since an arbitrator found that the team circumvented the collective bargaining agreement by trying to sign the forward to a front-loaded 17-year, $102 million deal in July, the NHL handed down a penalty on Monday.

The Devils were fined $3 million and must forfeit their third-round draft choice in 2011 and a first-rounder in one of the next four drafts. The team can choose which draft and must tell the league following the conclusion of the Stanley Cup finals in that year.

The Devils will not see their salary cap reduced as a result of the fine.

In a settlement with the league, the Devils were able to sign Kovalchuk to a 15-year, $100 million contract.

Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello issued a statement in response to the ruling.

"We were today advised of the ruling by the Commissioner with respect to the Kovalchuk matter," the statement read. "We disagree with the decision. We acted in good faith and did nothing wrong. We will have no further comment."

The league said in a statement that it now considers the matter closed.

icehog3 09-13-2010 06:12 PM

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I thought the deal between the NHLPA and the NHL done a couple weeks ago said there would be no reprisals for the prior deals? :confused:

Ahbroody 09-13-2010 06:43 PM

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Prior deals. This one was still open apparently. Kind of sad that the devils got hit and other teams skated. Glad this was done though. They were abusing the system and its badfor the game.

GreekGodX 09-13-2010 08:05 PM

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I don't like the ruling. The NHL employs lawyers to prevent loopholes in the collective bargaining, and the Devils took advantage of the lawyers mistakes. I think this is just the NHL trying to blame someone else other than themselves.

The thing I don't get is that the NHL changed the rules of contracts now. So why try and make an example of the team when other teams cannot do this anymore?

E.J. 09-13-2010 08:28 PM

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Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 987129)
So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....





For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

Ahbroody 09-13-2010 08:31 PM

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Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

icehog3 09-13-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by E.J. (Post 987912)
Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....



Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....





For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

Perhaps anticipating coming changes in the NHLPA contract?

SmokeyJoe 09-13-2010 11:23 PM

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My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. :D

icehog3 09-14-2010 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 988075)
My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. :D

Peksy? Why I oughtta....


;) :r :D

GreekGodX 09-14-2010 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 987913)
Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

I get all that but still other teams made similar deals and there was no punishment to them. The league changed the rules now to prevent similar deals. The punishment seems excessive for something the league should have foreseen happening.

Eleven 09-14-2010 11:59 AM

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I stand behind my assertion that what the Devils did was cheating. The fine and loss of picks seems to confirm that.

Ahbroody 09-14-2010 12:10 PM

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No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

Ahbroody 09-15-2010 12:18 PM

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http://www.hockeygiant.com/20100915h...)&utm_content=

More of a classic skate guy, but these are kind of sexy.

357 09-15-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 988557)
No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

Cheat: to violate rules or regulations.

The CBA is a document, not some idea floating around in the air. Rules are defined within the document. If the document doesn't explicitly prohibit the terms of said contract, it's not cheating. BTW, this is not an argument based upon symantics. It's how the law works.

It's the GMs jobs to do the best they can within the defined rules. Not the rules as they exist in Bettman's brain, or memory; but as they exist in black and white on the document that is the CBA.

"They cheated" is just whining IMO.

Some GMs were more aggressive at using this lack of legal forsight than others. The Devil's were more aggressive and pissed off Bettman. Subsequintly they got pimped. The Devils should appeal the ruling.


P.S. Please don't take this as an attack, its not. It is also not personal nor meant to cause an argument. I just respectfully disagree with your position.

Ahbroody 09-15-2010 02:42 PM

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Not going to waste the time debating you. I will refer you to the arbitrators finding and the penalties leveled. Go take it up with him and people with a lot more knowledge and experience on the matter then either of us. I already discussed this above in very basic terms. The Devils did nothing different then the other teams. The league wanted the loophole closed and to set an example. As part of the agreement with the PA they decided to leave the other Ks alone, not because they were different.

As someone with a law degree and a little more knowledge on K law then you I will respectfully disagree and not discuss this with you further. I have no intrest in banging my head against the wall with you again. Sorry its no fun.

I dont know why I cant resist replying when I know its wasted breath, but I guess I am a masochist.

icehog3 09-15-2010 04:12 PM

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Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. :ih

yourchoice 09-15-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 987913)
Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

Mike, I agree with pretty much everything you said, except what I bolded. IMHO, the cap was put in place to allow, and with the minimum cap, make the smaller markets competitive, creating parity. A byproduct of that is difficulty in creating a dynasty. I don't think the league has a problem with dynasties, but with small markets being uncompetitive.

Semantics? Maybe, but that's how I see it, and I think there's a difference.

Ahbroody 09-15-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 989905)
Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. :ih

:r
Maybe my wife was right last night when she said I was acting like a bish. This keto diet does makr me a bit grumpy.

Joel no issue here with you take on bold. I just think the league instituted the cap to kill dynastys and give more teams a chance to win the cup. So teams cant buy championships anymore. We dont need the Yankees in hockey. It has worked by the way I know we both agree on that.

icehog3 09-16-2010 11:48 PM

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NHL fantasy projection on Duncan Keith...I loved this one!

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Keith provides the entire fantasy package. This strapping 27-year-old will take you to dinner, pay for everything, kiss you goodnight (just saucily enough), return to make breakfast the next morning, do the dishes, then head over to your mother's to wash her windows. He seems too good to be true but isn't. Playing a considerable part in the Chicago Blackhawks' Stanley Cup-winning season, Keith accumulated 69 points (second of all D-men to only Mike Green) and 51 PIM while averaging 26:35 minutes per game (second to only Carolina Hurricane Joni Pitkanen leaguewide) and ending the year plus-21. What else do you want? Durability? Well, he's missed only six games in five full NHL seasons. In any fantasy league, Keith should go no later than the fourth round overall.

Ahbroody 09-18-2010 05:39 PM

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Interesting Sharks bringing in Andreas Lilja for a tryout after he refused a tryout with with the Wings.

Tom it says strapping not strapon settle down.

GreekGodX 09-19-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 993149)
Interesting Sharks bringing in Andreas Lilja for a tryout after he refused a tryout with with the Wings.

Tom it says strapping not strapon settle down.

Yea he turned it down partly because he turned down a 1 year deal earlier in the offseason and we have too many 1-way players on D. No chance he cracks our D rotation.

Ahbroody 09-19-2010 05:51 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

icehog3 09-19-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 994074)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

He has a face I just wanna punch. Honest.

Ahbroody 09-19-2010 05:56 PM

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Focking stammering idiot. How about you practice that speech in the mirror a few times or hell just read it before you go up and speak. Jebus. I am a closet Leafs fan and that just made me sad. Jerseys alright :tu

If he did practice then holy crap talk about dark days ahead.

Eleven 09-19-2010 07:53 PM

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That was pretty bad. Not sure if I care one way or the other in who gets the 'C' there, but he has one LONG road ahead to prove he fits in with Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark.

GreekGodX 09-22-2010 12:05 PM

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Preseason for the Wings starts tonight :wo

Looking forward to seeing Jakub Kindl play. Drafted 5 years ago in the Crosby draft. Hoping he can crack our D rotation and get some youth infused there. Dude has some skill just hopefully he shows up during the preseason and more importantly for the season.

kazzaca 09-22-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 994074)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

The Leafs were awful yesterday...that Phaneuf play was hilarious...

Ahbroody 09-22-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kazzaca (Post 997288)
The Leafs were awful yesterday...that Phaneuf play was hilarious...

You talking about the second goal where the winger skated right past him and scored?

JackSchwartz 09-22-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 997186)
Preseason for the Wings starts tonight :wo

Looking forward to seeing Jakub Kindl play. Drafted 5 years ago in the Crosby draft. Hoping he can crack our D rotation and get some youth infused there. Dude has some skill just hopefully he shows up during the preseason and more importantly for the season.


I've been pumped for him to break into the NHL as well. He's got decent size and skates really well. It sounds like he could turn into a point producing D.

I'm also interested to see how Modano plays. He should be able to do some damage on the thrid line with Jiri Hudler.

The Detroit News was saying Zetterberg showed up to camp a few pounds lighter. He should have a little more pep in his step and can hopefully avoid any back issues.

Go Red Wings.

Eric

Eleven 09-22-2010 04:19 PM

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Any of you Detroit fans have links to streams of this game? Its not being televised. I know that 105.9FM in Pittsburgh is broadcasting it, haven't checked to see if they have online streaming yet.

Go Pens :)

GHC_Hambone 09-22-2010 10:47 PM

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Ahh...first taste of hockey tonight. Oh how I missed it.

icehog3 09-22-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GHC_Hambone (Post 997850)
Ahh...first taste of hockey tonight. Oh how I missed it.

I thought Morin and Makarov looked good, and I think Turco is going to add a whole new dimension to the breakout. :tu

Ahbroody 09-22-2010 11:07 PM

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Anyone got an old visor they are not using? I want to get one for coaching this year, but dont want to drop 50. Little turds love getting their sticks up.

Trying not to waste money and aint going to wear my birdcage out there.

Sharks lose opener 5-2 nittymaki gives up 4 goals on 12 shots.

357 09-23-2010 06:26 AM

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First preseason game and Franzen takes a knee-to-knee hit. :fl

icehog3 09-23-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 998013)
First preseason game and Franzen takes a knee-to-knee hit. :fl

Did they say if he will be ok?

JackSchwartz 09-23-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 998093)
Did they say if he will be ok?

They said it was a charley horse, sounds like he'll be okay. I didn't see the game but they said Derek Meech left early as well. Some sort of head injury. Please don't let this be another injury-plagued season for the Wings.

JackSchwartz 09-23-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 997877)
Anyone got an old visor they are not using? I want to get one for coaching this year, but dont want to drop 50. Little turds love getting their sticks up.

Trying not to waste money and aint going to wear my birdcage out there.

Sharks lose opener 5-2 nittymaki gives up 4 goals on 12 shots.

I'll take a look through my gear tonight, might still have mine laying around. I switched back to a full cage after taking a puck to the lip a couple years ago. Ten stitches; five on the outside and five inside the mouth :td Oh, and I had a rookie doc with some shakey hands. I'll shoot you a PM if I can find my old visor.

Eric

357 09-23-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 998093)
Did they say if he will be ok?

I heard it on the radio on my way in. At the time they didn't know yet.

Apparently now it's no big deal

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....s_charley.html
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Detroit Red Wings forward Johan Franzen suffered a charley horse Wednesday on a knee-on-thigh hit from Pittsburgh defenseman Brooks Orpik during the first period of the Penguins' 5-1 victory in the preseason opener at the Consol Energy Center.

It does not appear to be a long-term injury, as general manager Ken Holland said there was no need for any tests.

GHC_Hambone 09-23-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 997855)
I thought Morin and Makarov looked good, and I think Turco is going to add a whole new dimension to the breakout. :tu

Yeah once everyone gets used to it and communicating, it should lead to some good chances. It was funny to see him get called for icing last night lol.

Ahbroody 09-23-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JackSchwartz (Post 998144)
I'll take a look through my gear tonight, might still have mine laying around. I switched back to a full cage after taking a puck to the lip a couple years ago. Ten stitches; five on the outside and five inside the mouth :td Oh, and I had a rookie doc with some shakey hands. I'll shoot you a PM if I can find my old visor.

Eric

Yeah back when I played my wife explained that I needed to work to make money and looking cool, or not wanting to wear a bird cage and getting injured in beer league

Ferrari5180 09-24-2010 08:10 AM

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Go Habs Go!! I hope they do something this year. They did quite well last season. What a piss off that they did not keep Halak. I would have paid him a lot more than St.Louis. Price is just awful, which was completely noticeable during the Boston game.

Prefy 09-24-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferrari5180 (Post 999285)
Go Habs Go!! I hope they do something this year. They did quite well last season. What a piss off that they did not keep Halak. I would have paid him a lot more than St.Louis. Price is just awful, which was completely noticeable during the Boston game.

The habs should have an interesting season for sure. Price needs to be given a chance to develop, he has all the skills to be a great goaltender. It's all about the metal game at this point.

Personally I think that he was rushed into the NHL and should have played in Hamilton as a starter for a couple years before he was thrown into the gauntlet that is Montreal. I'm hoping the Montreal fans give him some time to move into the #1 role before chopping his head of but I'm not holding my breath (other day vs. Boston is an example).

The biggest problem that I see in Montreal is size. The Habs have been small down the middle for many years and still have not adressed this issue. There aren't many guys that are going to be able to stack up physically against opponents big guys. So it will be interesting to see how they match up :2

JackSchwartz 09-24-2010 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 998631)
Yeah back when I played my wife explained that I needed to work to make money and looking cool, or not wanting to wear a bird cage and getting injured in beer league

My buddy took a high-stick to the face a week before his wedding, three stitches on his cheek. I still remember how angry his wife was. If they weren't getting married the next week she probably would have gave him a couple stitches on the other cheek.

Couldn't find the old visor. I bet my wife tossed it away after we got the hospital bill for the stitches.

Ahbroody 09-24-2010 02:48 PM

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Such is life. Likely going to buy a new bucket anyways. My old Itech bucket is birth control edition. Not the best looking helmet out there. :r

Going to take the little man to the game tonight. Wanted to move the seats, but no one is buying preseason stuff. The ***** is I am going to have to give away tomorrow nights game I bet as I have to work. Then I am likely going to have to take him again on wednesday. Atlest they are opening up in europe so I will get some time to move the first home gain seats. PITA!!

gpugliese 09-25-2010 08:34 AM

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Wade Redden is going on waivers today at noon. Good riddance!

Eleven 09-25-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gpugliese (Post 1000253)
Wade Redden is going on waivers today at noon. Good riddance!

His wife gave birth last night. The Rangers wanted to congratulate the happy couple in style.

Ahbroody 09-25-2010 09:46 AM

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Sharks game last night had like 5 fights in 1 min. Of course I sold the tickets and misse it as the game was not on tv.


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