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I'm looking for a stream.

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Found a couple. Starts at 3am.

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I only got through half the event before falling asleep. I caught the rest of the fights later. A pretty solid show! It looks to me, on the whole, these guys are much more technically proficient than the fighters over here. Then again hasn't that always beent he case in Japan.

Oh, another update on liars at EliteXC. Seth had no KO bonus in the contract as the organization had claimed. :rolleyes:
http://www.mmaconvert.com/2008/10/27...appen-claimed/

Another update provided in the link says there may have been a bonus but I wouldn't believe those idiots if they told me the sky was blue.

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Chris Leben tests positive for steroids:
http://mmamania.com/2008/11/03/chris...r-ufc-89-loss/

Chris Leben tested positive for Stanazolol in a test administered by UFC on the day of his fight with Michael Bisping on 10/18 in Birmingham, England. Leben, who lost a three-round decision, has been suspended for nine months by UFC and fined one-third of his undisclosed purse.”

More on this breaking news shortly.

LAME!!

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Originally Posted by BengalMan (Post 49282)

That sucks to hear!!! I like Leben as a fighter, but lost alot of respect in him for this :mad:

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Wow, anyone see the WEC card on Wednesday? MY LORD! Faber get's TKO'ed, Jens Pulver gets destroyed, and Paulo Filho goes absolutely bananas and talks to people that aren't there and looked like garbage.

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Garbage is a compliment to his actions. What a horrible preformance. First, he doesn't make weight then that. Terrible. Both Faber and Pulver got owned!

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The Faber fight really surprised me. He got rocked hard. As much as I like him, Jens is well past his prime. The way Filho acted out there was ridiculous. He needs professional help. Also, I have no idea how the title holder can't make weight for a fight. That is just unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Jdbwolverines (Post 59259)

Also, I have no idea how the title holder can't make weight for a fight. That is just unacceptable.

I agree. I think he should automatically lose the belt. He said he is giving the belt to Chonnen anyways, but I don't know how official that is. He is also considering a move to 205.

Whatever. He's seemed really messed up in the head for the last year or so.

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UFC 91's MAIN EVENT is going to be interesting. Couture vs. Lesnar.

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Originally Posted by Darrell (Post 60263)

UFC 91's MAIN EVENT is going to be interesting. Couture vs. Lesnar.

I can't wait. Looks like a good card overall but this main event is, like you said, interesting. Very interesting.

More on EliteXC:

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The California State Athletic Commission on Wednesday suspended promoter licenses for both Pro Elite and King of the Cage in its jurisdiction, sounding yet another strike against the all-but-expired organization that went into a tailspin on Oct. 20 after a deal for its purchase by Showtime fell through.

The primary reason that Pro Elite/Elite XC's and King of the Cage's licenses have been placed on suspension is because of their financial states and the fact that Pro Elite, the owner of King of the Cage, has suspended operations and their tangible and intangible assets are being auctioned on November 17, wrote CSAC Executive Officer Armando Garcia in an email to Sherdog.com on Thursday.

Garcia wrote that the CSACs decision was based on a review of the facts and was not stimulated by any outside influence.

Pro Elites suspension wouldnt seem to have much impact on a company over $55 million in debt that was recently forced to close down its operations. However, it could serve to bolster breach of contract claims filed after Oct. 20 with Pro Elite by numerous EliteXC-contracted fighters who are looking to exit the failed promotion as quickly as possible to take assignments with rival promotions.

Fighters like EliteXC middleweight champion Robbie Lawler and welterweight champion Jake Shields have given Pro Elite 30 days to provide proof that they can honor the fighters contracts per their agreements. Though Pro Elite released replies to select fighters last week stating they were still in business and planning an event in early 2009, the companys has now lost its ability to host events in the state that houses its headquarters. Pro Elite held 7 of its 17 EliteXC and ShoXC events in California during its 22-month run.

If they can show me proof they within the 30 days that they can provide me two more fights, then Ill happily fulfill the two fights and my end of the bargain, Shields said Wednesday. But if they cant fulfill what they claim in the contract, then I consider them in a breach. If theyre willing to offer me fights, Ill definitely do it per the contract, but at this point, this doesnt seem realistic.

In the meantime, Shields was one of handful of fighters whose contract has been listed up for grabs at a public auction sale organized by Showtime on Nov. 17 at a law office in Los Angeles.

Showtime, a subsidiary of CBS, has claimed all tangible and intangible assets of Pro Elite, which it said defaulted on two promissory notes totaling $4 million that it lent to the promotion on June 18 and Sept. 10. In addition to airing EliteXC and ShoXC events on its channel, Showtime also had a 20% stake in the company prior to the promotions recent demise.

According to recent Securities and Exchange Commission filings, Showtime gave notice to Pro Elite on Oct. 16 that the promotion violated a term of its agreement requiring it to maintain a minimum bank balance of at least $550,0000 with a nationally recognized financial institution. Pro Elite has an outstanding balance of $6.3 million with the cable channel, and any default on the loans would give Showtime the ability to sell or assign the promotions collateral at its discretion, according to the filings.

Advertisements placed Tuesday on Sherdog.com announced the sale of fight contracts for Kevin Kimbo Slice Ferguson, Gina Carano, Shields, Lawler, Frank Shamrock, Antonio Silva, Brett Rogers, Dave Herman, Scott Smith, Nick Diaz, Eddie Alvarez and others, along with Pro Elites video library, still photographs and home videos also listed for purchase. (Sherdog.coms advertising, including its assignments and revenue intake, are under the sole ownership of Crave Online.)

Attempts to obtain a complete list of items up for auction were unsuccessful, though EliteXC champion Shields believes any sales made will not be enforceable.

To see us on sale online is ridiculous, said Shields. We already sent them a breach of contract letter. They dont respond to that. Instead they put this up. Its just completely ridiculous how theyre handling this situation and completely unprofessional. They should be in contact with us fighters and letting us know whats going on instead of just putting things online and not responding to our faxes, emails, and phone calls.

Both Pro Elite CEO Chuck Champion and Showtime representative Chris DeBlasio have not returned calls from Sherdog.com for comment.

However, an SEC filing made by Pro Elite on Thursday stated that, The Company plans to take all appropriate measures to prevent the sale from occurring by raising additional financing, filing a lawsuit enjoining the sale, filing a bankruptcy petition or negotiating a settlement with Showtime.

Monte Cox, who manages two fighters listed on the auction block in Lawler and Alvarez, said he wasnt sure Showtime had a right to the contracts and has taken a buyer beware attitude with the potential sale.

I find it interesting, said Cox. Nobody knows what theyre getting, so Id be kind of surprised if any contracts get bought. You dont know what youre getting.

As an example, Cox said Alvarezs contract is set up to where a potential buyer will have to rotate the popular fighters bouts over two years time with three other promotions -- Japans Dream, Adrenaline MMA and Extreme Challenge. The latter two promotions are owned by Cox.

TJ Thompson, who sold his Icon Sport promotion to Pro Elite last year, said he might attend the auction to try and purchase back his company. Originally operating under the Superbrawl name, Thompson grew Icon Sport into the leading entity in Hawaii over 13 years.

Who would want to buy [Icon Sport">? asked Thompson. Without me, the Icon name isnt really of value. So anyone that wanted to buy it would have to find me anyway.

Cox, who has managed over 60 fighters over the last 11 years, said the 15-year-old sport has entered new territory with Showtimes intentions to auction off his clients contracts. Cox and others have their doubts that the sale of a personal services contract will be upheld in a court of law.

Ive never been in this situation before, so I just dont have an idea what can or cant be done, said Cox.

After meeting with multiple lawyers, Shields is more certain of his stance. Believing the breach of his contract takes precedence over Showtimes claims for it, Shields said he will give Pro Elite the full 30 days to provide proof they can honor his contract, or then make the rounds to other promotions in two weeks.

Getting worked up over it isnt going to do any good, he said. Im just going to let it go its course and Im pretty sure something is going to work out.

Whether other promotions will be willing to court the EliteXC contingent of fighters after the Showtime auction and Pro Elites 30-day response period expires remains a question.

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GSP vs BJ is official for UFC 94.

That could be an early entry for fight of the year.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=15765

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Originally Posted by kayaker (Post 63791)

GSP vs BJ is official for UFC 94.

That could be an early entry for fight of the year.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=15765

That will be a great fight!

UFC 91 is this Saturday night!

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UFC Heavyweight Championship
Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar

Joe Stevenson vs. Kenny Florian
Nate Quarry vs. Demian Maia
Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory
Amir Sadollah vs. Nick Catone
Gabriel Gonzagavs. Josh Hendricks
Jorge Gurgel vs. Aaron Riley
Mark Bocek vs. Alvin Robinson
Matt Riddle vs. Ryan Thomas
Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos

Scratch Sadollah! He is injured.

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Couture or Lesnar?

My money is on Couture but I wouldn't count Lesnar out. Both are pure beasts.

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Yeah Andy, I feel the same way. I think Lesnar will win but I have no doubt that Couture could win too. It's gonna be good.

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I'm hoping Couture will win. I'd like to see him and Big Nog fight.

Lesnar is a beast though.

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Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar

Joe Stevenson vs. Kenny Florian
Nate Quarry vs. Demian Maia
Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory
Amir Sadollah vs. Nick Catone
Gabriel Gonzagavs. Josh Hendricks
Jorge Gurgel vs. Aaron Riley
Mark Bocek vs. Alvin Robinson
Matt Riddle vs. Ryan Thomas
Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos

Not that I'm qualified to an opinion, but of the fights I know anything about, here's how I'd pick 'em. Randy just cause I want him to win, and Joe because of a gut feeling.

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Amir Sadollah has pulled out of the fight due to a leg infection and due to how close the fight is, a replacement was not found and the fight was called off.

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Have only seen Lesner a couple of times. An animal that's tough to handle physically but if he makes a mistake and leaves himself open Couture will definitely exploit it.

Lesner's comparative youth and strength will be difficult to overcome though.

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I really think Lesnar is going to win that fight. He has amazing wrestling and quickness. Last fight he just decided to toy with his opponent for 3 rounds, I think he could do the same thing to Couture.

Not to write off Couture as too old, but I really think that Lesnar is the up-and-comer of the Heavyweight division. There is a reason he has a title shot after over 3 fights, its no coincidence that this kid can fight. :2

For what its worth, just for giggles, I would like to see Dana sign Kimblow for one fight against Lesnar and watch him get wrecked. :bx

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 64220)

For what its worth, just for giggles, I would like to see Dana sign Kimblow for one fight against Lesnar and watch him get wrecked. :bx

:tpd::r:r:r:r:r Would be awesome.

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Dana actually spoke out about Kimbo. He said if Kimbo wants to be in the UFC, he would have to fight his way in on The Ultimate Fighter. Dana said he would have a HW season if Kimbo decided he wanted to join the UFC. lol.

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I think Kimbo could end up being a decent fighter, especially if he keeps training with Bas. He's just a ways off from deserving the attention he's been getting.

I doubt very much he'll end up in the UFC, at least any time soon.

If he wanted to go for bigger bucks, I could almost see him going the Pro wrestling route. His internet posse would probably go in for that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 64220)

For what its worth, just for giggles, I would like to see Dana sign Kimblow for one fight against Lesnar and watch him get wrecked. :bx

I think he could sign him for a fight w/ just about any of the UFC heavy weights and Kimbo would get wrecked! And it would be short! I'd like to see Arlovski back in UFC after a couple of wins.

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Wow. Would YOU like to party with Gina Carano?

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Wow. Would YOU like to party with Gina Carano?

lol

yes

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Everyone ready for Saturday? So who's it gonna be? Randy or Brock?

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Could go either way, but I'm hoping Randy schools 'em.

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I have been wanting to post this thought for a while. I am nervous posting it, cause I do not want it to be interpreted wrong.

I believe MMA is becoming a legit sport, and for it to become a legit sport, we have to believe Randy is going to win.

I know Brock is big, but his record is 1-1 or 2-1. Either way he has not proven he is good enough to fight the champ. If Brock wins, then there is no legitimacy to the sport.

That means any big guy with any minimal skill--I say minimal because he has not fought or wrestled competitively in years--can hop into the ring and beat the champ.

Because of this, I believe the only way to believe that the sport is legit is to believe the champ will win.

Now, I know any guy, in a contact sport, can beat any guy on any given day---I saw rocky---but, we have to think that Randy has the best shot at winning because of his experience and being the current undefeated champ.

I am not trying to raise a rucus...I just think the sport is real and a guy cant get a title shot who has lost a fight in his 2 or 3 fight campaign to the belt just because he is big and strong.

Hope I did not offend anyone.

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Originally Posted by Tw3nty (Post 68390)

No offense here. Lesner has showed some skill but I certainly dont think he deserves a shot this early. And I can't stand the whole 'Wrestling' persona he puts on when he wins, grabing the mike and yelling like he is on WWE.

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no offense here and im even willing to up it slightly..

it had to suck for randy to be put in a place to legitimize this freakshow that is lesnar... talk about pwnage by UFC... randy tried so hard to get out of his contract with them so he could move on in the spirit of MMA and fight worthy opponents..obviously, they kept winning the legal battles. White basically said, look if you ever want to fight again you have to complete this contract and now as an added twist, you have to legitimize my freak.. then you only have 1 more fight on your contract with the UFC and maybe we will try and make Fedor happen for you...(not likely)

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Originally Posted by kgoings (Post 68436)

No offense here. Lesner has showed some skill but I certainly dont think he deserves a shot this early. And I can't stand the whole 'Wrestling' persona he puts on when he wins, grabing the mike and yelling like he is on WWE.

It's all about the money for Dana. :2

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Originally Posted by Tw3nty (Post 68390)

I believe MMA is becoming a legit sport, and for it to become a legit sport, we have to believe Randy is going to win....That means any big guy with any minimal skill--

I understand why you could feel this way, though I totally disagree. I must also say that I would have liked to have seen Lesnar in another good fight or two before getting a title shot. He was getting matched up with Kongo and that would have been a good fight to see. And it would have been good to see him against another good sub guy.

Minimal skills* No one would walk into a ring with minimal skills and win a title fight much less a prelim. Look at Lesnar vs Mir. Lesnar was dominating and had good control until he left his leg open and got caught. That is what inexperience will do to you. Before this fight Lesnar had been putting in some serouis training. He didn't just go walking out of the WWE locker room and show up at the UFC and challenge someone. Big and strong can get you places, but not against high level fighters. Lesnar brings much more to the table. He brings an athleticism not seen in the heavyweight division along with superier wrestling skills which serves as a great base for his fighting ability. With his freakish size and strength, athletic ability, and hard training he is going to be a hand full for anyone.

So as far as putting the legitimacy of MMA on the line with this fight its going a bit overboard.

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It's all about the money for Dana. :2

No, he wouldn't base match decisions just for the sake money. :rolleyes:

That's probably why Machida is waiting in line for his shot. Fighters have to draw the money in if they what to be crowned. It sucks in a way but can understand the business side of it. Have to be able to sale the fight to make a profit.

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Originally Posted by Ken (Post 69073)

No doubt, Ken, but I wish it were based more on what is fair than on what is profitable. :)

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I am in agreement for the most part, I just think there is a proving process, or I like to think there is, and Lesnar hasn't proven himself.

In a side note, there have certainly be exceptions in other 'legitimate' sports, Keven Garnett, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, who have not gone through the same process and still proven themselves ready and able to be at that level.

I don't want to more emphasis on this than there is already, the part that probably bugs me the most is that there are two heavyweight champs right now, and that seems to be taking the back seat. It seems that it would be right and fair to give Nogiera his shot before Lesnar gets his. Or make Lesnar fight Nogiera for the right to a shot at Randy. But of course, there is already a fight w/ Mir, and they need Randy to fight (he's not getting any younger!). Just seems a shame.

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Originally Posted by Tw3nty (Post 68390)

You have offended me greatly, Robert! :D

I understand why you feel that way as we have talked about this before but, if Lesnar wins would that legitimize him?

As Tom mentioned, you have to draw money or be one of Dana's "boys" to get anywhere in the UFC, for the most part.

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No doubt, Ken, but I wish it were based more on what is fair than on what is profitable. :)

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I am in agreement for the most part, I just think there is a proving process, or I like to think there is, and Lesnar hasn't proven himself.

I concur 2x.

Another fight or two would give him added experience and more time in training and aside from Mir and Nog I really don't think anyone else was going to stop him. Not to discredit any of the other HW's. Lesnar brings a physicality that can even the playing field when there is such a discrepancy in skill level.

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It seems that it would be right and fair to give Nogiera his shot before Lesnar gets his.

I think Lesnar should have fought the loser of Mir & Nog. Well, really I think he should have fought someone before these guys, but..blah.

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if Lesnar wins would that legitimize him?

Interesting way to put it.

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Anyone questioning Randy's mental preparedness? All the hoopla he was going through and coming right back to the UFC, is his head where it needs to be?

Couture over Lesnar - I'll go on the side of experience. Though there is a lot of downside baggage with Randy right now and nothing but opportunity for Lesnar.
Florian over Stevenson - Can he handle another strong figher?
Gonzaga - I'd just like to see him lose
Maia over Quarry
Hazelett over McCrory

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Below are my picks. I'm going to go against the grain and go with what I think everyone is thinking will happen in their minds, I'm picking Brock.

265 lbs.: UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture (220) vs. Brock Lesnar (265)
155 lbs.: Kenny Florian (156) vs. Joe Stevenson (156)
265 lbs.: Gabriel Gonzaga (256) vs. Josh Hendricks (238)
185 lbs.: Demian Maia (185) vs. Nate Quarry (185)
170 lbs.: Dustin Hazelett (170) vs. Tamdan McCrory (170)
155 lbs.: Jorge Gurgel (155) vs. Aaron Riley (156)
155 lbs.: Jeremy Stephens (155) vs. Rafael dos Anjos (155)
155 lbs.: Alvin Robinson (155) vs. Mark Bocek (155)
170 lbs.: Matt Brown (171) vs. Ryan Thomas (170)

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Gonzaga beat the $h!t out of Hendricks.
Couture/Lesnar next.

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Tell me Brock ain't legit now! New Champ!!

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As good ol' JR would say:

"Brock wins, Brock wins, Brock wins!"

NCAA Champion
WWE Champion
UFC Heavyweight Champion

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That dude is a bad fricken man. It will be interesting to see who Dana gives him as the number one challenger, assuming he gets thru Noguera/Mir :tu

Damn. Still can't believe the kind of freak that guy is as an athlete.

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 70832)

That dude is a bad fricken man. It will be interesting to see who Dana gives him as the number one challenger :tu

Still can't believe the kind of freak that guy is as an athlete. :o

Rumor is Winner of Nog / Mir will face Brock.

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Rumor is Winner of Nog / Mir will face Brock.

Edit: Mike Goldberg just confirmed this on the PPV.

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Rumor is Winner of Nog / Mir will face Brock.

Yeah I caught that a little too late :bx

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I'd like to see Lesnar/ Gonzaga.

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Brock won, No doubt. Randy had a great plan and was doing good until he got caught. I'm wondering if we will see a rematch?