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I was involved in a group buy with Dan and while he took a while to get me my part he did deliver. I'm sorry for those that got taken by him. I absolutely hate when people take advantage of others. It only shows that those who prey on others are scum and do not deserve any happiness in life. It truely makes me sick to hear about this. Andrew (DPD) shared some information in this thread about Dan reselling sale cigars at a higher price. Had I known about that I would have never gotten in on the group buy.

The point has been made numerous times here that we may not know each other face to face, but I treat everyone here as family. Unfortunately 1 person decided they were going to take advantage of our family. While he was successful don't think that he won't get his in the end. I credit Dan with teaching me about cc's as I had limited knowledge when I met him. As of now I thank him for that but I will never be able to respect him or give him any of my time.

Being a good Christian I do believe he has the oppurtunity to right all the wrongs that he has done. I hope he does repay everyone. Only then would I be able to begin to forgive him for he harm be has done to many.

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

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I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea. :2

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That's allright man..... I heard Nugent's Bodyguard will be there. :D

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Well he has shown he doesn't make sound decisions...

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He wouldn't have the b***s, but if he did :mad::mad:

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Gotcha, thanks Vic. Good to see you around some. :tu

Thanks Peter!

Clear as a bell! (why is it a bell anyway?)

:banger:banger :D

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I was just over at another board that Dan is a member of. Hes got some nasty messages on his profile page already, no trader feedback though.

I understand the MODs policy of no other board feedback and actually have examples to illustrate both sides.

A friend of mine on another board ran a GB for some very expensive, rare cigars that turned out to be fake, the vendor scammed them. Now, he got a bad rep on the other board even though it was not his fault, and that he is making everybody involved whole again. We are talking thousands of $$ here. I would hate for his rep to follow him to a board like CA because as I said, he is making good on the bad situation out of his own pocket. This would be a good argument for not allowing other board feedback.

On the other hand, I have another friend that was involved in a trade on our old home, and after months and months of not receiving his end, asked for his portion back (again THOUSANDS of $$ worth of cigars). The cigars ended up being lost in transit or destroyed or whatever, my friend never got his cigars back. This time however the offending individual didnt make good on the situation, saying that he was financially unable. He then proceeds to take an extravagant vacation and boasts about it. (He is still a member here, and probably reading this.) Now, even though this happened on another board, I would never get involved with a trade with this person, nor would I want another to get burned the way my friend got burned. I think this would be a perfect argument for allowing other board feedback.

My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line. :D

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Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to :al Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems :D

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

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hummm, no sharks in Erie......tar & feather.....:)

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Lots of snakes though

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Like I have the time to read thru everything to determine that this was a deal involving "unspeakables" ... :rolleyes:

I've been the moderator and owner of boards with over 20,000 people (not cigar related) and have had to deal with this crap before. More often than not the buyer gets some recourse, especially if its across state lines. Atty Generals of States dont look kindly on interstate fraud.

However, since this was across country lines, I dont have a clue how one would proceed with this as I have no experience with it.

I just hate hearing about that kind of money loss, that is, for me anyway, a significant amount of money and I would be steaming pissed.

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:r :r

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Word. :tu

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Nah, we love youse guys! :D

P.S.....sorry for the back to back to back posts...my multi-quote doesn't work on this work computer. :(

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Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

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Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.

FTR Dan has been banned at ICC.

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:tpd: :tpd: :tpd:

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I wish I would have known the stuff before I ordered as I wouldn't have supported the group buy. Your bro told me after the fact some of the stuff that happened. I didn't get harmed by any of this but I wouldn't have supported the group buy if I'd known.

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Point taken. :)

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Can't wait to hear the story Tom. I never have a gun on me while partaking in the adult beverages. I hope it's ok to bring it for the ride over and the ride back. Can I bring my water pistol? :r

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Absolutely. I'm not pissed off that I'm out $20 and I'll never receive my Tikihut Patch, what I'm pissed off about is Dan cheated the troops out of money. I know many of us donated a few extra dollars in the GB that Dan was to give the troops. Karma is a ***** and there is no doubt that his ways will come around to bite him.

Fox, I'm sorry you were screwed out of $650. It sucks that this would happen to anyone on this board, but it's really terrible that it happened to one of the nicest and most generous members here.

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Seriously no guns? :gn I can only imagine how bad things could turn out if everyone was packin some heat and drinking a bottle of Stoli.

Note to self: Be nice for the next two weeks. :r

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If you are law enforcement or not, guns at a herf? Or even to make mention of one comes across as menacing and a little inappropriate to me.:2

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Wow!! I too got the email and I am very glad I was broke at the time. I am very sorry to everyone who got scammed by this guy. Not cool at all.


Back in the CS days we used to cyberherf on sundays and one time Dan showed up and I just knew he was a weinie. Ask Vin he saw me get all fired up. I know this adds nothin so I'm sorry but, I'm just sayin.

Once again my apologies to the victims here. I love you BOTL's like family and this sh!t pisses me off!!

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I am also angered and saddened by this thread. I cannot add anything helpful that has not already been said. But if I lived within 2 hours of this guy, I would drive to his house. Just to talk, of course! :tu

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he invited me too and this is the reason I didn't join too.

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another reason I want to come to Shack but I could only make it for Saturday

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Guns in the vehicle...shouldn't be a problem, I choose to travel with mine when driving.

I have heard some make the argument that why shouldn't people who are legally allowed to carry firearms (law enforcement, CC holders) be allowed to bring their guns. Forget the argument that guns in place where 120 people will be drinking isn't necessarily a good idea, and go with this one: The Shack is private property, where the host's wife and children will be. I think it is totally within his rights to ask that no one be carrying guns. :2

This isn't diercted at Andrew, who understands the whole deal, but to others who have made the argument about carrying to herfs.

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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_...igar-gun-2.gif
Maybe it looks like this?

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I agree 100% Tom. I have also sent a PM to Dave and if he doesn't want guns at all at his herf then I will leave it at home, I have no problem with that and I respect his decision.

Sorry to offend you Patrick, not everyone is a responsible gun owner. I guess you won't be attending any shoot & herfs then. :(

You'd be surprised at how many vehicles on the roadway actually have a gun in them by law abiding citizens who have the right to carry and are responsible gun owners. And no I'm not started a debate here and don't want a debate. :2

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Good thing Nick aka Dragonman isn't coming......guns freak him out.:D

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If I call a spade a spade, could I also call a hoe a hoe?

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That they do and so do Gurkhas :r

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Who are you, Willie D? ;) :r

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:r:r holy reference out of left field Admiral

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Not many besides us would get it. ;)

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kinda like my sig:ss

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:r I laughed out loud, thanks, Tom. I need that. :tu
"You don't treat a ho like a queen who behaves like a dog"
Those were the days :D

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;) :tu

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Never say never. I made a mistake by not pushing this GB harder to completion. It was very difficult to handle, given the distance and SSG Robinson's job, but when I got home I pretty much linked up Dan and SSG Robinson and went about my business.

I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties.

There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not.

On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another.

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You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:

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:tpd:

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+1

I had a deal with Dan where it took months to get my "brown bag" from him, and after I had posted positive feedback, I found out that what he sold me gave him about a 300% profit! At that point, I decided no more deals with him.

What bothers me the most about Shawn and the others being ripped off on this deal, is that Dan and his "significant other" have just bought a new house. At the last monthly herf he attended here, he wanted everyone to herf at his new house instead of the place where we meet every month. At this point, I expect that Shawn's money went towards a nice new couch or something else for his new place.

The one thing I know for a fact is that I won't be herfing with him again - at his house or anywhere else! EVER!

I'm sorry that you and the others got ripped off, Shawn. I'm out on the TikiHut patch money, but I wrote that off a few months ago.


I don't feel much like dancin' - right now! :mad:

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I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply

Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

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He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS

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:hm Interesting.

Thanks for sharing, Ferd....

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You won't get any debate from me...I'm all for the right to bear arms... it was just the context in which you announced that you would be armed was a little threatening in general. I wasn't afraid myself....I'm from Brooklyn! :D

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No shots fired at you, Ferd. But Dan also claims not to have been able to access the Internet. How does he explain his recent activity on Facebook? I realize he's going thru some difficult times but his stories just don't add up.

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:tpd:

HE told me the packages getting were lost in the mail FOUR times... I wish I had known I was not the only one or I would have been less sympathetic and less lenient.