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GreekGodX 07-28-2009 03:16 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I was involved in a group buy with Dan and while he took a while to get me my part he did deliver. I'm sorry for those that got taken by him. I absolutely hate when people take advantage of others. It only shows that those who prey on others are scum and do not deserve any happiness in life. It truely makes me sick to hear about this. Andrew (DPD) shared some information in this thread about Dan reselling sale cigars at a higher price. Had I known about that I would have never gotten in on the group buy.

The point has been made numerous times here that we may not know each other face to face, but I treat everyone here as family. Unfortunately 1 person decided they were going to take advantage of our family. While he was successful don't think that he won't get his in the end. I credit Dan with teaching me about cc's as I had limited knowledge when I met him. As of now I thank him for that but I will never be able to respect him or give him any of my time.

Being a good Christian I do believe he has the oppurtunity to right all the wrongs that he has done. I hope he does repay everyone. Only then would I be able to begin to forgive him for he harm be has done to many.

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

icehog3 07-28-2009 03:18 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 483607)
Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea. :2

St. Lou Stu 07-28-2009 03:20 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483608)
I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea. :2

That's allright man..... I heard Nugent's Bodyguard will be there. :D

GreekGodX 07-28-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483608)
I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea. :2

Well he has shown he doesn't make sound decisions...

Old Sailor 07-28-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483608)
I would be shocked if he did. I don't think it would be a good idea. :2

He wouldn't have the b***s, but if he did :mad::mad:

yourchoice 07-28-2009 03:26 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Resipsa (Post 483272)
Always been my understanding Joel that if it didn't happen here, don't leave feedback for it here.

Gotcha, thanks Vic. Good to see you around some. :tu

Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 483273)
Yep. That is the general practice.

Thanks Peter!

Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483468)
To reiterate, as I am not sure it was grasped completely, it is absolutely NOT ok to post negative feedback here for a transaction on another board...period.

Clear as a bell! (why is it a bell anyway?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by poker (Post 483506)
Its just that if the transaction was conducted at another forum, leave the feedback at that forum.

edit: (or in others words.....what Tom said :))

:banger:banger :D

md4958 07-28-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I was just over at another board that Dan is a member of. Hes got some nasty messages on his profile page already, no trader feedback though.

I understand the MODs policy of no other board feedback and actually have examples to illustrate both sides.

A friend of mine on another board ran a GB for some very expensive, rare cigars that turned out to be fake, the vendor scammed them. Now, he got a bad rep on the other board even though it was not his fault, and that he is making everybody involved whole again. We are talking thousands of $$ here. I would hate for his rep to follow him to a board like CA because as I said, he is making good on the bad situation out of his own pocket. This would be a good argument for not allowing other board feedback.

On the other hand, I have another friend that was involved in a trade on our old home, and after months and months of not receiving his end, asked for his portion back (again THOUSANDS of $$ worth of cigars). The cigars ended up being lost in transit or destroyed or whatever, my friend never got his cigars back. This time however the offending individual didnt make good on the situation, saying that he was financially unable. He then proceeds to take an extravagant vacation and boasts about it. (He is still a member here, and probably reading this.) Now, even though this happened on another board, I would never get involved with a trade with this person, nor would I want another to get burned the way my friend got burned. I think this would be a perfect argument for allowing other board feedback.

My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line. :D

DPD6030 07-28-2009 03:50 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 483607)

Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath?

Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to :al Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems :D

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

Old Sailor 07-28-2009 03:54 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 483651)
Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to :al Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems :D

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

hummm, no sharks in Erie......tar & feather.....:)

Clampdown 07-28-2009 04:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Sailor (Post 483659)
hummm, no sharks in Erie......tar & feather.....:)

Lots of snakes though

Thrak 07-28-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLS (Post 483299)
This is where I will end up replying, although I wanted to reply to the person that stated that there was a real case, crossing state lines, etc. I laughed out loud, I am sorry to say. Not to deride the person who said this, but in a general way, I was thinking, 'yup, it's easy to give advice to the "other person" who then has to act on his ironclad case involving illegal goods'. Haha, priceless.

Like I have the time to read thru everything to determine that this was a deal involving "unspeakables" ... :rolleyes:

I've been the moderator and owner of boards with over 20,000 people (not cigar related) and have had to deal with this crap before. More often than not the buyer gets some recourse, especially if its across state lines. Atty Generals of States dont look kindly on interstate fraud.

However, since this was across country lines, I dont have a clue how one would proceed with this as I have no experience with it.

I just hate hearing about that kind of money loss, that is, for me anyway, a significant amount of money and I would be steaming pissed.

icehog3 07-28-2009 05:05 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Lou Stu (Post 483610)
That's allright man..... I heard Nugent's Bodyguard will be there. :D

:r :r

icehog3 07-28-2009 05:06 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 483615)
Well he has shown he doesn't make sound decisions...

Word. :tu

icehog3 07-28-2009 05:07 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 483619)
My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line. :D

Nah, we love youse guys! :D

P.S.....sorry for the back to back to back posts...my multi-quote doesn't work on this work computer. :(

icehog3 07-28-2009 05:12 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 483651)
Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to :al

Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

devilfish 07-28-2009 05:15 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.

FTR Dan has been banned at ICC.

pnoon 07-28-2009 05:15 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483779)
Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

:tpd: :tpd: :tpd:

GreekGodX 07-28-2009 05:17 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 483651)

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

I wish I would have known the stuff before I ordered as I wouldn't have supported the group buy. Your bro told me after the fact some of the stuff that happened. I didn't get harmed by any of this but I wouldn't have supported the group buy if I'd known.

icehog3 07-28-2009 05:20 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by devilfish (Post 483784)
Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.

Point taken. :)

DPD6030 07-28-2009 06:34 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483779)
Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

Can't wait to hear the story Tom. I never have a gun on me while partaking in the adult beverages. I hope it's ok to bring it for the ride over and the ride back. Can I bring my water pistol? :r

MNSmoker 07-28-2009 06:46 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 483557)
I really dont care about the $12, what I'm phucken pissed about is that he would screw people over under the guise that it was for troop support. The members of the GB got screwed, the embroiderer got screwed, and the troops got screwed.

Absolutely. I'm not pissed off that I'm out $20 and I'll never receive my Tikihut Patch, what I'm pissed off about is Dan cheated the troops out of money. I know many of us donated a few extra dollars in the GB that Dan was to give the troops. Karma is a ***** and there is no doubt that his ways will come around to bite him.

Fox, I'm sorry you were screwed out of $650. It sucks that this would happen to anyone on this board, but it's really terrible that it happened to one of the nicest and most generous members here.

HK3- 07-28-2009 07:49 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483779)
Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

Seriously no guns? :gn I can only imagine how bad things could turn out if everyone was packin some heat and drinking a bottle of Stoli.

Note to self: Be nice for the next two weeks. :r

Mr.Maduro 07-28-2009 07:58 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 483651)
Shark bait Oh haha! I'll be there and be armed. Of course it will be put in the car once I begin to :al Oh and I doubt he'll be there as he said he was going to be at Old Sailor's herf and RHNewfie's herf and never showed up. I think he knows he'll run into some major problems :D

Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds.

If you are law enforcement or not, guns at a herf? Or even to make mention of one comes across as menacing and a little inappropriate to me.:2

cort 07-28-2009 08:06 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Wow!! I too got the email and I am very glad I was broke at the time. I am very sorry to everyone who got scammed by this guy. Not cool at all.


Back in the CS days we used to cyberherf on sundays and one time Dan showed up and I just knew he was a weinie. Ask Vin he saw me get all fired up. I know this adds nothin so I'm sorry but, I'm just sayin.

Once again my apologies to the victims here. I love you BOTL's like family and this sh!t pisses me off!!

Bruzee 07-28-2009 08:11 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
I am also angered and saddened by this thread. I cannot add anything helpful that has not already been said. But if I lived within 2 hours of this guy, I would drive to his house. Just to talk, of course! :tu

Genetic Defect 07-28-2009 08:19 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 482684)
Shawn,
I feel your pain. He is not to be named kept sending me invites to his group buys as well. I've met him and he is an a$$. I'm not here to bash him but ever since he tried selling me some cigars that I knew he got on sale for a price that was the full asking price when not on sale I cut my ties to him. I even took him off my buddy list. Since I am an LEO this whole cluster is definitely a fraud. I don't want to see him locked up but he should make right his wrongs and be done with it. :2

Not to mention him posting D/C #s to passes, MAW and others only not having them sent for a month! If you can't get stuff out in a week max then don't get involved.:fl

he invited me too and this is the reason I didn't join too.

Genetic Defect 07-28-2009 08:21 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 483779)
Oh, absolutely....in fact, the gun needs to be in the car if anyone at the herf has been drinking. NO guns at the herf (outside the car), and I will tell you the story as to why in 2 weeks, Andrew. ;)

another reason I want to come to Shack but I could only make it for Saturday

Skywalker 07-28-2009 08:24 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cort (Post 484095)
Wow!! I too got the email and I am very glad I was broke at the time. I am very sorry to everyone who got scammed by this guy. Not cool at all.


Back in the CS days we used to cyberherf on sundays and one time Dan showed up and I just knew he was a weinie. Ask Vin he saw me get all fired up. I know this adds nothin so I'm sorry but, I'm just sayin.

Once again my apologies to the victims here. I love you BOTL's like family and this sh!t pisses me off!!

Cyber-Herfs didn't last long after that!!!

icehog3 07-28-2009 08:40 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 483898)
Can't wait to hear the story Tom. I never have a gun on me while partaking in the adult beverages. I hope it's ok to bring it for the ride over and the ride back. Can I bring my water pistol? :r

Guns in the vehicle...shouldn't be a problem, I choose to travel with mine when driving.

I have heard some make the argument that why shouldn't people who are legally allowed to carry firearms (law enforcement, CC holders) be allowed to bring their guns. Forget the argument that guns in place where 120 people will be drinking isn't necessarily a good idea, and go with this one: The Shack is private property, where the host's wife and children will be. I think it is totally within his rights to ask that no one be carrying guns. :2

This isn't diercted at Andrew, who understands the whole deal, but to others who have made the argument about carrying to herfs.

leasingthisspace 07-28-2009 08:45 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_...igar-gun-2.gif
Maybe it looks like this?

DPD6030 07-28-2009 09:18 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484166)
Guns in the vehicle...shouldn't be a problem, I choose to travel with mine when driving.

I have heard some make the argument that why shouldn't people who are legally allowed to carry firearms (law enforcement, CC holders) be allowed to bring their guns. Forget the argument that guns in place where 120 people will be drinking isn't necessarily a good idea, and go with this one: The Shack is private property, where the host's wife and children will be. I think it is totally within his rights to ask that no one be carrying guns. :2

This isn't diercted at Andrew, who understands the whole deal, but to others who have made the argument about carrying to herfs.

I agree 100% Tom. I have also sent a PM to Dave and if he doesn't want guns at all at his herf then I will leave it at home, I have no problem with that and I respect his decision.

Sorry to offend you Patrick, not everyone is a responsible gun owner. I guess you won't be attending any shoot & herfs then. :(

You'd be surprised at how many vehicles on the roadway actually have a gun in them by law abiding citizens who have the right to carry and are responsible gun owners. And no I'm not started a debate here and don't want a debate. :2

Old Sailor 07-28-2009 09:32 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Good thing Nick aka Dragonman isn't coming......guns freak him out.:D

Genetic Defect 07-28-2009 09:33 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
If I call a spade a spade, could I also call a hoe a hoe?

DPD6030 07-28-2009 09:34 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Sailor (Post 484287)
Good thing Nick aka Dragonman isn't coming......guns freak him out.:D

That they do and so do Gurkhas :r

icehog3 07-28-2009 09:34 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 484290)
If I call a spade a spade, could I also call a hoe a hoe?

Who are you, Willie D? ;) :r

Genetic Defect 07-28-2009 09:37 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484294)
Who are you, Willie D? ;) :r

:r:r holy reference out of left field Admiral

icehog3 07-28-2009 09:40 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito (Post 484304)
:r:r holy reference out of left field Admiral

Not many besides us would get it. ;)

Genetic Defect 07-28-2009 09:42 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484315)
Not many besides us would get it. ;)

kinda like my sig:ss

Waynegro1 07-28-2009 09:52 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484294)
Who are you, Willie D? ;) :r

:r I laughed out loud, thanks, Tom. I need that. :tu
"You don't treat a ho like a queen who behaves like a dog"
Those were the days :D

icehog3 07-28-2009 10:01 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Waynegro1 (Post 484342)
:r I laughed out loud, thanks, Tom. I need that. :tu
"You don't treat a ho like a queen who behaves like a dog"
Those were the days :D

;) :tu

Tikihut27 07-28-2009 10:26 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MNSmoker (Post 483928)
I'll never receive my Tikihut Patch

Never say never. I made a mistake by not pushing this GB harder to completion. It was very difficult to handle, given the distance and SSG Robinson's job, but when I got home I pretty much linked up Dan and SSG Robinson and went about my business.

I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties.

There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not.

On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another.

icehog3 07-28-2009 10:35 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tikihut27 (Post 484372)
Never say never. I made a mistake by not pushing this GB harder to completion. It was very difficult to handle, given the distance and SSG Robinson's job, but when I got home I pretty much linked up Dan and SSG Robinson and went about my business.

I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties.

There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not.

On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another.

You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:

DPD6030 07-28-2009 10:49 PM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484383)
You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:

:tpd:

alley00p 07-29-2009 12:46 AM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 484383)
You are a good man for picking up the ball on this....a ball that you did not drop. Kudos to you, Sir :salute:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 484399)
:tpd:

+1

I had a deal with Dan where it took months to get my "brown bag" from him, and after I had posted positive feedback, I found out that what he sold me gave him about a 300% profit! At that point, I decided no more deals with him.

What bothers me the most about Shawn and the others being ripped off on this deal, is that Dan and his "significant other" have just bought a new house. At the last monthly herf he attended here, he wanted everyone to herf at his new house instead of the place where we meet every month. At this point, I expect that Shawn's money went towards a nice new couch or something else for his new place.

The one thing I know for a fact is that I won't be herfing with him again - at his house or anywhere else! EVER!

I'm sorry that you and the others got ripped off, Shawn. I'm out on the TikiHut patch money, but I wrote that off a few months ago.


I don't feel much like dancin' - right now! :mad:

Don Fernando 07-29-2009 05:12 AM

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I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply

Quote:

Mostly it's the johnny o group buy, it's in part my fault of not mailing everything out as soon as I received it, not receiving it when I was told I would, and not sending out updates every couple days to everyone involved. And with this one person thought they were paying for 125 cigars when they were paying for 50, so they were quite peeved over that as well, and I thought I had their sticks but didn't. I still don't have them all but will send what I have.

Then there's the patch group buy, only thing I could do is refund people's money, even though the patches have been made the SSG Robinson is out the money, and I've sent him two checks, which one he says he has, though has not cashed. He said he would mail the patches a little over a week or two ago, though I've not seen anything yet. Communications with him have been very difficult as he's in Afganistan, though I don't know why it's so hard when it wasn't with the last guy.

I have some trades that have taken a while as well, two specifically that are being counted against me even though I fulfilled my part, one was to a guy in canada who never received the sticks, so I sent a replacement with another person's box to him, he's never replied to if he's received it or not, another is to someone I told I'd send free stuff to and he never received them because I never sent yet.

Mostly I've been having problems sending stuff out due to my own depression issues. I'm not saying it's a valid reason, just what my therapist and me have come to. These group buys along with the rest of the stuff in my life is causing me to sort of break down. Then with that I can't get on CA at work since they blocked it with both proxies and I don't have internet at home, and then in my free time I'm trying to update a house so I can move in it so that the other house I can't afford isn't taken from me before I can, I spend the rest of my time with my daughter.

So I guess with all this I was banned, I wasn't sent any notice or anything just found out from a few friends. I have no idea if it's a perm ban or temp. I still plan to send everything out I owe, and when those patches do finally come in, I'll need help finding addresses for everyone who's owed them.

I'm sorry for being a crappy friend and not speaking up about any of my issues, and know I have no valid reason for not taking care of stuff in a timely manner. I know it's easy to do and I should just do it, just my body won't. Hopefully I can get something to help even me out.

Please wish everyone the best and I hope you don't hate me for how I'm acting now.

Your friend,

Dan
Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

MajorCaptSilly 07-29-2009 05:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply



Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS

kaisersozei 07-29-2009 06:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply

Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

:hm Interesting.

Thanks for sharing, Ferd....

Mr.Maduro 07-29-2009 06:17 AM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DPD6030 (Post 484253)
I agree 100% Tom. I have also sent a PM to Dave and if he doesn't want guns at all at his herf then I will leave it at home, I have no problem with that and I respect his decision.

Sorry to offend you Patrick, not everyone is a responsible gun owner. I guess you won't be attending any shoot & herfs then. :(

You'd be surprised at how many vehicles on the roadway actually have a gun in them by law abiding citizens who have the right to carry and are responsible gun owners. And no I'm not started a debate here and don't want a debate. :2

You won't get any debate from me...I'm all for the right to bear arms... it was just the context in which you announced that you would be armed was a little threatening in general. I wasn't afraid myself....I'm from Brooklyn! :D

pnoon 07-29-2009 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando (Post 484512)
I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply



Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

No shots fired at you, Ferd. But Dan also claims not to have been able to access the Internet. How does he explain his recent activity on Facebook? I realize he's going thru some difficult times but his stories just don't add up.

Emjaysmash 07-29-2009 06:41 AM

Re: Sometimes you call a spade a spade
 
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Originally Posted by MajorCaptSilly (Post 484515)
He doesn't mention my transaction with him where I paid for 3-5 packs of cigars and he lied to me 3 times about shipping. He did give me the "lost in the mail" story that seems to be his mantra. I've never had a package lost in the mail and I've sent quite a few. I hope he ended up with enough stolen money to buy some furniture for his new house.

MCS

:tpd:

HE told me the packages getting were lost in the mail FOUR times... I wish I had known I was not the only one or I would have been less sympathetic and less lenient.


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