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I was involved in a group buy with Dan and while he took a while to get me my part he did deliver. I'm sorry for those that got taken by him. I absolutely hate when people take advantage of others. It only shows that those who prey on others are scum and do not deserve any happiness in life. It truely makes me sick to hear about this. Andrew (DPD) shared some information in this thread about Dan reselling sale cigars at a higher price. Had I known about that I would have never gotten in on the group buy.
The point has been made numerous times here that we may not know each other face to face, but I treat everyone here as family. Unfortunately 1 person decided they were going to take advantage of our family. While he was successful don't think that he won't get his in the end. I credit Dan with teaching me about cc's as I had limited knowledge when I met him. As of now I thank him for that but I will never be able to respect him or give him any of my time. Being a good Christian I do believe he has the oppurtunity to right all the wrongs that he has done. I hope he does repay everyone. Only then would I be able to begin to forgive him for he harm be has done to many. Any bets on whether he shows up at Shack?? Can we say bloodbath? |
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I was just over at another board that Dan is a member of. Hes got some nasty messages on his profile page already, no trader feedback though.
I understand the MODs policy of no other board feedback and actually have examples to illustrate both sides. A friend of mine on another board ran a GB for some very expensive, rare cigars that turned out to be fake, the vendor scammed them. Now, he got a bad rep on the other board even though it was not his fault, and that he is making everybody involved whole again. We are talking thousands of $$ here. I would hate for his rep to follow him to a board like CA because as I said, he is making good on the bad situation out of his own pocket. This would be a good argument for not allowing other board feedback. On the other hand, I have another friend that was involved in a trade on our old home, and after months and months of not receiving his end, asked for his portion back (again THOUSANDS of $$ worth of cigars). The cigars ended up being lost in transit or destroyed or whatever, my friend never got his cigars back. This time however the offending individual didnt make good on the situation, saying that he was financially unable. He then proceeds to take an extravagant vacation and boasts about it. (He is still a member here, and probably reading this.) Now, even though this happened on another board, I would never get involved with a trade with this person, nor would I want another to get burned the way my friend got burned. I think this would be a perfect argument for allowing other board feedback. My point is, its a catch-22. The MODs have a tough enough time keeping the Massholes in line. :D |
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Oh and I did post earlier about Dan but I felt that the members should make up their own decisions about him and not have me influence them in any way. I did frequent chat regularly at some asked about Dan and when they asked I did tell them the dealings I've had with them and let them make up their own minds. |
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I've been the moderator and owner of boards with over 20,000 people (not cigar related) and have had to deal with this crap before. More often than not the buyer gets some recourse, especially if its across state lines. Atty Generals of States dont look kindly on interstate fraud. However, since this was across country lines, I dont have a clue how one would proceed with this as I have no experience with it. I just hate hearing about that kind of money loss, that is, for me anyway, a significant amount of money and I would be steaming pissed. |
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P.S.....sorry for the back to back to back posts...my multi-quote doesn't work on this work computer. :( |
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Crossboard bad trader feedback is a dicey thing and has far more negatives than positives. But, crossboard notification can be beneficial to the board leadership teams.
FTR Dan has been banned at ICC. |
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Fox, I'm sorry you were screwed out of $650. It sucks that this would happen to anyone on this board, but it's really terrible that it happened to one of the nicest and most generous members here. |
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Note to self: Be nice for the next two weeks. :r |
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Wow!! I too got the email and I am very glad I was broke at the time. I am very sorry to everyone who got scammed by this guy. Not cool at all.
Back in the CS days we used to cyberherf on sundays and one time Dan showed up and I just knew he was a weinie. Ask Vin he saw me get all fired up. I know this adds nothin so I'm sorry but, I'm just sayin. Once again my apologies to the victims here. I love you BOTL's like family and this sh!t pisses me off!! |
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I am also angered and saddened by this thread. I cannot add anything helpful that has not already been said. But if I lived within 2 hours of this guy, I would drive to his house. Just to talk, of course! :tu
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I have heard some make the argument that why shouldn't people who are legally allowed to carry firearms (law enforcement, CC holders) be allowed to bring their guns. Forget the argument that guns in place where 120 people will be drinking isn't necessarily a good idea, and go with this one: The Shack is private property, where the host's wife and children will be. I think it is totally within his rights to ask that no one be carrying guns. :2 This isn't diercted at Andrew, who understands the whole deal, but to others who have made the argument about carrying to herfs. |
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Maybe it looks like this? |
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Sorry to offend you Patrick, not everyone is a responsible gun owner. I guess you won't be attending any shoot & herfs then. :( You'd be surprised at how many vehicles on the roadway actually have a gun in them by law abiding citizens who have the right to carry and are responsible gun owners. And no I'm not started a debate here and don't want a debate. :2 |
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Good thing Nick aka Dragonman isn't coming......guns freak him out.:D
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If I call a spade a spade, could I also call a hoe a hoe?
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"You don't treat a ho like a queen who behaves like a dog" Those were the days :D |
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I feel like I dropped the ball. We don't know Dan's intentions on this GB and can't state 100% it was a con. I certainly understood the difficulties. There are 21 people other than Dan and myself on the GB, and dammit, they are all good people and some of the best troop supporters and BOTLs out there. They all deserve to be recognized for wanting to help the troops and for everything they've done in addition to that GB, if it went through or not. On MY NAME and rep as an Army Officer and a humbled receiver of the generosity of this forum's Troop Support program and the preceding one, I'll see that recognition happen. One way or another. |
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I had a deal with Dan where it took months to get my "brown bag" from him, and after I had posted positive feedback, I found out that what he sold me gave him about a 300% profit! At that point, I decided no more deals with him. What bothers me the most about Shawn and the others being ripped off on this deal, is that Dan and his "significant other" have just bought a new house. At the last monthly herf he attended here, he wanted everyone to herf at his new house instead of the place where we meet every month. At this point, I expect that Shawn's money went towards a nice new couch or something else for his new place. The one thing I know for a fact is that I won't be herfing with him again - at his house or anywhere else! EVER! I'm sorry that you and the others got ripped off, Shawn. I'm out on the TikiHut patch money, but I wrote that off a few months ago. I don't feel much like dancin' - right now! :mad: |
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I send Dan a message on facebook, asking what's up, and this is his reply
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Thanks for sharing, Ferd.... |
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HE told me the packages getting were lost in the mail FOUR times... I wish I had known I was not the only one or I would have been less sympathetic and less lenient. |
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