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14holestogie 02-24-2009 06:12 PM

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I don't know diddly about cigars or wine, but if we're going to start talking Windex, I am all over that. I have an uncle who's neighbor's third cousin's sister-in law was at the factory when they were mixing up the lot for Costco and they were putting a paler blue die into that batch than what you'll see from your mom n pop store down the block. :rolleyes:

Taboo Cigars 02-24-2009 06:17 PM

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I see everyone is reading this thread so I just wanted to say, "HELLO"!:D

Rob:ss

Genetic Defect 02-24-2009 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRiddick (Post 254100)
Maybe you should try one to begin with :D

I did but am open to suggestions :) anything under $50 :tu

Genetic Defect 02-24-2009 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yazzie (Post 254513)
The Dos Equis in a Bottle I get at the bar tastes far superior than the Dos Equis in a bottle that I buy from the liquor store.....:r

Sure it does....

:r

Legend 02-25-2009 08:19 AM

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Riddick:
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Strong opinions and a number of things just "rub you the wrong way" lighten up. Try not to have so many issues.

Seangar:

You're right I should have used the term fighting. When at least one side of a discussion will lead absolutely no credence to the other its just a fight. Arguement can be taken either way and I was thinking husband wife arguement. Not rational arguement.

The rest of the botl:

I think some of you are really taking this as much harsher than I mean. also, we are not talking about windex or some other synthetic product. This is a plant product. This is like sending your better tomatoes to the local grocers and not being quite as picky when sending to the supermarket. The ones going to the supermarket are not bad. Its not a conspiracy. A good number of folks probably can't tell. But the owner of that local grocery could so you make sure his stuff is those same tomatoes. Just your better ones of those same ones.

The assumption that this would provide so much more overhead to me seems very silly. The rollers know what they have when they start rolling. But sure its a plausible argument against. But that argument alone doesn't and can't nullify the plausibility of my argument.

icehog3 02-25-2009 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 255611)
But sure its a plausible argument against. But that argument alone doesn't and can't nullify the plausibility of my argument.

Just as your argument alone doesn't and can't nullify the plausability of the argument against. ;)

thebiglebowski 02-25-2009 08:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taboo Cigars (Post 254532)
I see everyone is reading this thread so I just wanted to say, "HELLO"!:D

Rob:ss

hey! it's taboo guy. let's ask him.

Rob - do you sell your better cigars in your store and your not-so-better cigars on the inter-webs?

jledou 02-25-2009 09:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 255611)
This is a plant product. This is like sending your better tomatoes to the local grocers and not being quite as picky when sending to the supermarket. The ones going to the supermarket are not bad. Its not a conspiracy. A good number of folks probably can't tell. But the owner of that local grocery could so you make sure his stuff is those same tomatoes. Just your better ones of those same ones.
.

I think that some of what you are talking about with plants would deal with grades, in this case grades of tomatoes. The higher quality would go at a premium price and might be sold at the local where the supermarket might buy the "b" grade at a lower price and high volume.

I think that tobacco itself is graded in general but I would assume that the same grade is used in a blend for a certain production run. Maybe this is where my thoughts are off?

Addiction 02-25-2009 12:43 PM

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I've only been smoking a few years so my two cents: No the cigars are not better quality at a local B&M, but sometimes they are better cared for than they would have been at a big internet shop. Better humidifier, better temp control that kind of thing. I also believe you'd be cutting off your nose to spit your face if you had Brand A and sent primo copies of it to B&Ms and then sent watered down copies of the same exact cigar to different stores for any reason. What was probably explained is that the cast off bales and tobacco is used for seconds or things like RP Fusions or RP MX, those internet house brands.

Hardcz 02-25-2009 12:51 PM

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I don't like to shop at some B&M's because I witnessed a guy sneeze in the Humidor.... yea... that's right, the bastage happened to be angled towards the CAO's.... needless to say I exited that place and smoked what I brought.

SmokeyJoe 02-25-2009 12:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256225)
I don't like to shop at some B&M's because I witnessed a guy sneeze in the Humidor.... yea... that's right, the bastage happened to be angled towards the CAO's.... needless to say I exited that place and smoked what I brought.


It's kind of like food service... just like we don't see what happens in the kitchen. You saw the guy at the B&M, but we have NO idea what happens at the warehouse, or when they are packed, etc... :pn :pu

Just the kind of stuff we would rather not know. :ss

Hardcz 02-25-2009 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 256235)
It's kind of like food service... just like we don't see what happens in the kitchen. You saw the guy at the B&M, but we have NO idea what happens at the warehouse, or when they are packed, etc... :pn

Just the kind of stuff we would rather not know. :ss

I only smoke cigars rolled between the thighs or b**bs of attractive 20 something virgins that are from cuban descent living in Miami or Cuba. Also these virgin rollers are very clean and only impart their love and super hotness into these cigars.

Jealous? I know you are. :r:r

Raralith 02-25-2009 01:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 255611)
The rest of the botl:

I think some of you are really taking this as much harsher than I mean.

FYI, reading your replies, you certainly are making this very harsh on almost everyone else. These are opinions, and obviously if you flail around your opinions without much facts, which you pretty much are, why would you be surprised to get some flailed back at you?

I'm sure glad my local B&M's don't have discussions like these because I certainly would never go back. I'm there to smoke and drink, and the only thing heated that should go on is my cigar, not the conversations.

macpappy 02-25-2009 02:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256243)
I only smoke cigars rolled between the thighs or b**bs of attractive 20 something virgins that are from cuban descent living in Miami or Cuba. Also these virgin rollers are very clean and only impart their love and super hotness into these cigars.

Jealous? I know you are. :r:r

I want to tour that factory.:ss

Legend 02-25-2009 02:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raralith (Post 256319)
FYI, reading your replies, you certainly are making this very harsh on almost everyone else. These are opinions, and obviously if you flail around your opinions without much facts, which you pretty much are, why would you be surprised to get some flailed back at you?

I'm sure glad my local B&M's don't have discussions like these because I certainly would never go back. I'm there to smoke and drink, and the only thing heated that should go on is my cigar, not the conversations.

actually the discussions at my Lounge are incredibly civil. We all agree the local stuff is better. Doesn't make us right, just our opinion. I'm not sure what exactly I'm "flail"ing. Or why having an unprovable opinion means I am supposed to be subjected to people misunderstanding me or taking my opinion harsher than i mean it. I don't quite follow your logic there. You seem to be taking this personally, why is stating my opinion making it harsh on people. I'm honestly inquiring here. I don't see how having an unpopular opinion here and attempting to support that opinion is harsh on people. Could you clear that up for me.

Raralith 02-25-2009 02:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 256410)
actually the discussions at my Lounge are incredibly civil. We all agree the local stuff is better. Doesn't make us right, just our opinion. I'm not sure what exactly I'm "flail"ing. Or why having an unprovable opinion means I am supposed to be subjected to people misunderstanding me or taking my opinion harsher than i mean it. I don't quite follow your logic there. You seem to be taking this personally, why is stating my opinion making it harsh on people. I'm honestly inquiring here. I don't see how having an unpopular opinion here and attempting to support that opinion is harsh on people. Could you clear that up for me.

Read your replies. Read what you are saying. Read how you are saying it. This should answer why "some of you are really taking this as much harsher than I mean." I'm not taking it personally, but rather responding to your above statement.

Hardcz 02-25-2009 03:13 PM

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There are some wild accusations here, and people are calling the bluff, unless something can be shown to prove that they are true, then it's not....

Hell I still smoke cc's to get high because they have weed in them.

gnukfu 02-25-2009 03:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256430)
There are some wild accusations here, and people are calling the bluff, unless something can be shown to prove that they are true, then it's not....

Hell I still smoke cc's to get high because they have weed in them.

Stop it Dan...you're killing me!:ss

tedrodgerscpa 02-25-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WildBlueSooner (Post 254436)
I propose this. Take the same stick and give people 4 of the same stick. However they will get them in any combination...could be 2 from online and 2 from B&M, one and three, or 4 from one source and have them rate them and say which they think is which. I can almost guarantee you there will be no trend in either direction.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanGAR (Post 254496)
I don't know how to run the statistics on that type of experimental design. Anybody???

Quote:

Originally Posted by taltos (Post 254504)
Can't see any control group there and don't see much experimental design.

That looks to be a triple blind study, which is the strongest test in terms of causality, and is rarely used.

If I wanted to hypothesize that real bullets are deadly and blank bullets are not, I put a mess of bullets in a box. I don't know which bullet is real, and which is blank. Put gun to head, pull trigger.

If I die, I have unmistakeable proof that real bullets are lethal.

However, if I live, I don't necessarily have unmistakeable proof that bullets are lethal, as I may have drawn a blank.

SmokeyJoe 02-25-2009 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256243)
I only smoke cigars rolled between the thighs or b**bs of attractive 20 something virgins that are from cuban descent living in Miami or Cuba. Also these virgin rollers are very clean and only impart their love and super hotness into these cigars.

Jealous? I know you are. :r:r

This post is useless without pics... :D

Legend 02-25-2009 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raralith (Post 256414)
Read your replies. Read what you are saying. Read how you are saying it. This should answer why "some of you are really taking this as much harsher than I mean." I'm not taking it personally, but rather responding to your above statement.

Thanks for clearing that up. Its harsh and flailing because you read it that way.

I'm letting you know as the author. That was not my intention. And I've tried to clarify myself. Yet you keep on saying. "no. I originally took it this way so that's what you mean".

Sorry I was originally unclear. Please accept my clarifications.

Col. Kurtz 02-25-2009 04:56 PM

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Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet

Pot successfully stirred, consensus reached, post unsubscribed.

Thanks for the entertainment friend!

MajorCaptSilly 02-25-2009 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tedrodgerscpa (Post 256503)
That looks to be a triple blind study, which is the strongest test in terms of causality, and is rarely used.

If I wanted to hypothesize that real bullets are deadly and blank bullets are not, I put a mess of bullets in a box. I don't know which bullet is real, and which is blank. Put gun to head, pull trigger.

If I die, I have unmistakeable proof that real bullets are lethal.

However, if I live, I don't necessarily have unmistakeable proof that bullets are lethal, as I may have drawn a blank.


Ted,

I want you to live!!!

Thank you,

MCS

WildBlueSooner 02-25-2009 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tedrodgerscpa (Post 256503)
That looks to be a triple blind study, which is the strongest test in terms of causality, and is rarely used.

If I wanted to hypothesize that real bullets are deadly and blank bullets are not, I put a mess of bullets in a box. I don't know which bullet is real, and which is blank. Put gun to head, pull trigger.

If I die, I have unmistakeable proof that real bullets are lethal.

However, if I live, I don't necessarily have unmistakeable proof that bullets are lethal, as I may have drawn a blank.

I knew I didnt make this type of experiment up! :rolleyes:

Hardcz 02-25-2009 05:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 256565)
This post is useless without pics... :D

Well you asked...

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK IT HAS ADULT CONTENT....

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

There ya go.... for most adults it's fine... just needed to give that warning out there....

cort 02-25-2009 05:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256671)
Well you asked...

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK IT HAS ADULT CONTENT....

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

There ya go.... for most adults it's fine... just needed to give that warning out there....

I am sooooo offended!!!!!;)

WildBlueSooner 02-25-2009 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256671)
Well you asked...

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK IT HAS ADULT CONTENT....

NOT SAFE FOR WORK OR CHILDREN...OR SOME WOMEN OR MEN....

There ya go.... for most adults it's fine... just needed to give that warning out there....

Geez...I always hear Canadians loved smut. haha :usa

14holestogie 02-25-2009 05:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gwc4sc (Post 256678)
I am sooooo offended!!!!!;)

Me, too. Box split, anyone? :D

nozero 02-25-2009 05:48 PM

Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256430)
There are some wild accusations here, and people are calling the bluff, unless something can be shown to prove that they are true, then it's not....

Hell I still smoke cc's to get high because they have weed in them.

Does one have to inhale to get any benefit?
:r

WildBlueSooner 02-25-2009 05:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 256704)
Me, too. Box split, anyone? :D

Nope I am taking the box all for myself.

Starscream 02-25-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe (Post 256565)
This post is useless without pics... :D

Attachment 1783

How bout between these b00bs and thighs?

14holestogie 02-25-2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 256720)
Attachment 1783

How bout between these b00bs and thighs?



Those are the ones they sell on the internet. :rolleyes:

ahc4353 02-25-2009 05:55 PM

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Question for the OP. Are any other guys that hang out with you at your Lounge members of CA? I would like to read their thoughts. Please link me if I missed their input.

Thanks

WildBlueSooner 02-25-2009 05:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 256725)
Those are the ones they sell on the internet. :rolleyes:

hahahahahahah hilarious :r

chippewastud79 02-25-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andysutherland (Post 256720)
Attachment 1783

How bout between these b00bs and thighs?

Now that would be a good experiment to see if the OP and his B+M buddies 'would know the difference between the two 100% of the time'.:D

Starscream 02-25-2009 05:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 256725)
Those are the ones they sell on the internet. :rolleyes:

:r

Hardcz 02-25-2009 06:13 PM

Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet
 
and I thought I was a cigar snob

Legend 02-25-2009 06:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 256725)
Those are the ones they sell on the internet. :rolleyes:

Hilarious

chippewastud79 02-25-2009 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hardcz (Post 256791)
and I thought I was a cigar snob

No, just a snob ;)

Java 02-25-2009 06:19 PM

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Oh hey, Legend on CA, trolling the same way you did on CBid, at least the guys here are a little more patient.

pnoon 02-25-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Java (Post 256808)
Oh hey, Legend on CA, trolling the same way you did on CBid, at least the guys here are a little more patient.

What happens on other boards, stays on other boards.

Legend 02-25-2009 06:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 256815)
What happens on other boards, stays on other boards.

What other boards?

The asylum is it.

pnoon 02-25-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend (Post 256923)
What other boards?

The issues you have with members on the cbid forums should stay there.

Legend 02-25-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 256939)
The issues you have with members on the cbid forums should stay there.

Agreed. I have no idea who these guys are who bring up this board that doesn't exist to me.

Bruzee 02-25-2009 09:45 PM

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Legend, you still looking for guinea pigs?

pnoon 02-25-2009 09:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 257372)
Agreed. I have no idea who these guys are who bring up this board that doesn't exist to me.

Yeah. Right. :rolleyes:

Put . . . the . . . shovel . . . down. :2

Genetic Defect 02-25-2009 10:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 257402)
Yeah. Right. :rolleyes:

Put . . . the . . . shovel . . . down. :2

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gnukfu 02-26-2009 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend (Post 249743)
Had this discussion on some other forums. When I had it on Cbid forum all hell broke loose. So I'll start with some disclaimers......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legend (Post 257372)
Agreed. I have no idea who these guys are who bring up this board that doesn't exist to me.

Hmm I wonder who brought it up...and who knew what sort of discussion would ensue....:ss

Hardcz 02-26-2009 05:09 AM

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I'm not sure why there is a shovel but that's for summer time, it's not even spring yet.

Java 02-26-2009 05:29 AM

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Im probably one of the few people that posts here and on Cbid (AFAIK anyways), but I just found it funny he is peddling the same thing here he is elsewhere, expecting a different reaction. I was never involved in the original conversation, and I won't entertain this one.


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