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Tat Red tubo for me... tasted/smelled sorta like a Gurkha (essence of dryer lint). The Black tubo was pretty good, but I won't buy any more of those due to the construction quality issues I have had.

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I hate to say this because I realy do like some of his cigars, but the latest lines from Rocky Patel haven't been doing much for me. Didn't like the Patel Brother's. The 1961 is okay, but nothing to get excited about. The seasonal collections were okay but again, nothing that realy blew me away.

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Interesting...I thought the Red was great and wasn't impressed with the Black.

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Liga Privada #9..... I paid $18 for it, and I was sorely disappointed.

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After reading this thread, I'm going to agree with the El Triunfador crowd. I bought two of these for $11 bucks each after the owner of the B&M pulled them out from the back of the store like they were his secret stash.

So I smoked one back then (1 year ago) and was not impressed, especially for the money. Then yesterday I remembered that I had one more aging in the humi. I smoked it and guess what? No magic. No $11 magic for sure. It was an okay cigar that I would put on par with a gran habano. I'd say it should have been priced @ $4.

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Any Tatuaje. I have given them many chances and always wrapper issues.

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18??? Ouch!

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Anything from Avalon...I'm surprised the World Health Organization and the CDC would allow something like these to even be called a cigar and then that anyone could even sleep at night after selling them to someone...I would smoke Cremosas all day before smoking these

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For me it was the La Riqueza...torched three of these and all three were very bland and one dimension.

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Rocky Patel R4 maduro. They were cheep but I dont think I would even put them in a moochodor.

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I hate to say a cigar is bad. I feel they are a lot like colors... There are no bad ones just personal preference.

That being said, I just smoked a Graycliff 1666. It was very light in weight and the draw was like pulling through a paper towel tube. It felt like it contained half the tobacco of a regular cigar. I did not enjoy the flavor either.

I got it in a sampler and figured it was a cheap cigar they included in the sampler to get rid of it. I just looked online and could not believe it is such an expensive cigar.

It does get good reviews. Maybe it is just me.

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YES I agree!!! PERDOMO has totally gone downhill compared to how they used to be!

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:tpd:

I smoked my first one today and I have to sagree with you. It was a gift, but I would have been dissappointed if I had paid more than $6 for it:2

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This is a very strange topic seeing how the beauty of cigars is that there are so many kinds because we all have different tastes. That being said I hope that those new to cigar smoking realize these posts are merely opinions and hope they do not influence new cigar enthusiasts from trying cigars that some here have trashed. That being said; I hate CC Montecristo #2...I've had more than I can count, and yes they were the real thing, but I would never post a bad review of the MC2CC knowing that it's not a bad cigar, it's just not to my liking.
Almost every major stick has been trashed on this thread so that goes to show that it is all a matter of taste and opinion.
So; I'm not trying to be the self righteous defender of every cigar ever made, or poohing on anyone who has voiced their opinion...
...only to speak to the noobs to take these posts with a grain of salt and if you want to try a stick that got trashed in this thread, go for it, it may end up being your favorite daily smoke!
The main reason I subscribed to this forum is because, unlike those other forums, people here don't dog and trash what others may like...I hope that doesn't change.
My :2 that I'll probably catch hell for...but hell's not such a bad place; I hear they let you smoke there!:fl

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Wise words, Zulu. :tu

Smoke what you like, like what you smoke....your tastes are yours alone. :)

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Good post Zulu. Was thinking the same thing.

I've also had one bad smoke from a box of great ones, it's crazy how things go. I would never write off a single cigar from one bad experience. Also agree with personal taste. When I worked at a tobacco shop I enjoyed learning peoples pallets and suggesting cigars. The majority of the time I could hit the nail on the head but every now and again I would suggest a stick that someone didn't dig at all.

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Good points Zulu. I have always said smoke what you like and like what you smoke. (even after the Gurkha blind taste test debacle). However I think the portion of your above would be more aptly put to say:

People here don't trash the members themselves for liking certain cigars over others. I can trash a cigar all day long, but I wouldn't do the same to the person smoking it. To each their own. :ss

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Well said, Zulu! I would also state the same for positive reviews of a cigars. One man's trash is another man's treasure and vise versa. Good thing there are so many to choose from. :D

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For me I smoked a couple RP Olde World maduros that I really just didn't like. Also didn't like the RP sungrown, quit on my second one halfway through.

Surprised to see the Tabaco Baez SF mentioned. Was it really so bad that even $3 wasn't worth it?

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Not to mention that many of the cigars mentioned are not 2009 releases.

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You are not alone.

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Nice to hear. I read reviews of it after I tossed the second one and thought there might be something wrong with me. :D

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I don't like all of the RP Sungrowns but the petite corona is one of my favorites!!

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I had one of the lanceros that was pretty good.

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alright, here it goes...
I purchased like 12 Pinar Del Rios from FSS over two months ago...they came in a sampler...there were exclusivos, Havana and Oscuro..
They were soaking wet when i got them, so I dry boxed for a few days, and smoked a few..most of which I ended up being tossed after less than an inch into the cigar..
So, I thought, "maybe they're still too wet" so i put the remainder in my humidor and let them sit for a couple months at 65% RH..
I tried smoking a Havana, actually two of them, and I swear, I thought that maybe the wrappers and binders were treated with a flame retardant!!
they would not burn! I had to touch them up about every two minutes...
The aroma was good, but they wouldn't burn...!!!
the oscuro had the same problems.
the exclusivo did not have the burn issues, but I rate that cigar as mediocre at best.

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Cain Maduro, Consuegra #9

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I had the same problem with the Pinars...very odd. They just wouldn't stay lit. My biggest disappointment was the Drac, however, I look forward to revisiting it next year.

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WOW MJ...I really dig the Cain Maduros.

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I 2nd that!!

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I was, honestly, unimpressed by the Liga Privada No. 9.. I know that I am in a minority, here... but we all like something different

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nub connie just so so... but the habano is bluekh!.. give a try few times and end up with sour face... worst because i need to pay more for shipping than the cigar price itself...

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Love me some RP Sungrowns.:tu

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Everything I had from Alec Bradley (Tempus, FB, Maxx) except for the Tempus Magistri Maduro.

Also the LGC Series R #7 Maduro was one of only 3 cigars I have ever put down early.

The other 2 were not smoked in 2009 so I will not include them.

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Haha, sounds like my issue too... Bought two fivers after hearing so much about them and the price was great at Famous... Had a great taste, just couldn't get the dumb wrapper to agree with me. Dryboxed one for a few days and it was a bit better, but still annoying. Months later after sitting, they're smoking ok. Got one left, but doubt I'll revisit once it is gone. Not a bad smoke at all if you can get it working right, though can't tell you when that will be!

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Hmmm.

This will seem odd, because I gave this cigar a very high rating, like 9.3 if I remember.

However I would say the honor goes to the Cohiba Gran Reserva. I just don't get a $100 fresh cigar when I can get an aged OR Sig VI (assuming you can find them) or an aged Sig VI from the Cohiba X humi for a much much much cheaper price and be essentially smoking the same thing.

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Exclusivity and marketing to snob appeal, pure and simple. It's the same concept that drives super-car manufacturer's to produce hyper-car versions of their standard lines. A Reventon is just a Murciélago with a body kit, flat paint job and a trick digital dash yet Lamborghini priced it 4.5 times higher because of the extremely limited production.

There are a lot of people that buy into the marketing hype that surrounds brands like Cohiba, Opus X, Macallan, etc and will pay prices that are exorbitant compared to those products actual value just to have them. The Grand Reserva just takes it to a whole new level for Habanos SA. Interestingly enough, with the one exception of the 2003 LE Cohiba DC, I have yet to have one of these over-hyped products that even comes close to living up to it's billing.

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Actually I've had several of those things i think are worth it. I love all Cohibas and would say that certianly the Cohiba Middies, Reservas, DCs, Sublimes and Sublimes Extras are all worth the mark up. I'd even say that the Gran Reserva is worth some markup, just not the markup they are asking.

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Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that their bad smokes (Cohiba as a brand, not specifically the Grand Reserva), far from it. Just that in my experience I've found that they just aren't the be-all and end-all of cigars that popular culture holds them to be and just can't hold up to the hype. There are several cigars that I'd choose every time over every Cohiba except the 2003 DC LE, that's the great thing about personal tastes... they're different for everyone :D

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Also as far as Opus X, I normally hate them all but the Lost City is an outstanding cigar!

And Macallan is pretty damn good scotch, tho I personally prefer JW Blue.

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That is something I love about this site!

I have yet to see anyone give another person grief for enjoying a cigar they can't stand, unlike some other sites I have lurked around.

There are cigars in this thread that people really dislike and I love. I'm sure it goes both ways...

Open minds go a long way to making a site comfortable and enjoyable for everyone. :tu

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I've been highly underwhelmed by all the Opus X I've smoked. Admittedly that's been a small sampling but it's been enough to know that, at the price point they've set, I have no desire to continue trying to find one that's worth it.

I've had some of expressions from Macallan's Fine Oak line that I quite liked but I've found that, IMHO, in general Macallan is very much like Cohiba: a decent middle of the road product that's been over-hyped for so long by the marketing Mad Men that it's acquired a cultural status and price point that's well out of touch with what it really deserves on merit alone. To me Glenfarclas is the benchmark for what a heavily sherried Speyside should be.

I've not had JW's Blue but as a general rule I don't usually pay much/any attention to blends. My all time favourite whisky is Longrow 14yr with Bowmore 15yr Mariner, Bowmore Dawn, Laphroaig 15yr and Glen Ord 12yr. Ardbeg 10 and Lagavulin 16 aren't too bad either ;)

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What sucked the most for me was the Summer Salamon Sampler from CI . Good thing it was a gift . The Man O War , Patel , Caney and Africa were all horrible . Sitting on the others as time and temperature don't allow for such big smokes right now . Hopefully the Padilla's and Sol Cubano's redeem the sampler .

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Some people might not agree with this, but I would have to say the LFD Salomon. I was disappointed, I hate to say.

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I felt the same way about Opus for a long time. Than I smoked an Opus that I let rest for 3 years because that's how disappointed I was the first couple times I smoked them that this other one in the humi just kept getting pushed to the back. I have to say that with some age on it, it was downright awesome. One of the best smokes I ever had. So for years I thought I was lucky in not having to chase down Opus' every year and pay the high price tag for them and than I smoked this aged stick and now I have a bunch sitting in the humi taking a long nap after being in the hunt for awhile. Fortunately, I still don't go nuts trying to find them as I have a hard time going crazy to pick something up knowing I will only stick it in the back of the humi to not be seen for a couple years.