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Steelergar 04-10-2010 11:21 PM

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Anderson Silva school of martial arts: How to cut weight and run around the ring.

Tw3nty 04-11-2010 10:20 PM

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Was Anderson Silva as bad as the press are representing him or is it over-hyped. did not see the whole fight. What do you guys think?

J0eybb 04-12-2010 12:02 AM

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He sang, he danced, he played games.

I thought the BJ Penn fight should have went the other way.

dannysguitar 04-12-2010 02:10 PM

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Yeah, he really made me think less of him. I was proud of Demian for taking those swings late in the fight. He tagged him pretty good a couple times.

goalie204 04-12-2010 02:47 PM

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pretty bad UFC. Silva should be fired. Running around like that, it's b.s. he is NOT a good champion.

yachties23 04-12-2010 06:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by J0eybb (Post 825440)
He sang, he danced, he played games.

I thought the BJ Penn fight should have went the other way.


BJ did absolutely nothing to win that fight. Every round was close, but Edgar outworked him in every round, got the two takedowns, and BJs face took the brunt of the damage.

Had Penn listened to his corner between rounds 2 and 3 and tried to take Edgar down, I think he could have easily won the fight. Standing and boxing was a poor choice on his part.

ActionAndy 04-15-2010 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by yachties23 (Post 826227)
BJ did absolutely nothing to win that fight. Every round was close, but Edgar outworked him in every round, got the two takedowns, and BJs face took the brunt of the damage.

Had Penn listened to his corner between rounds 2 and 3 and tried to take Edgar down, I think he could have easily won the fight. Standing and boxing was a poor choice on his part.

I saw the fight as a draw on the whole, but round by round I guess you would have to give Edgar 3 of them. However for one of the judges to have scored it 50-45 is laugh-out-loud foolish. Penn clearly landed more strikes in the first and possibly second rounds. I'm a huge Penn fan but you are correct, he didn't correctly adjust his gameplan.

Have you guys seen the lines for the Strikeforce event? Mayhem Miller's at -2000. Two THOUSAND!

yachties23 04-15-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy (Post 829010)
I saw the fight as a draw on the whole, but round by round I guess you would have to give Edgar 3 of them. However for one of the judges to have scored it 50-45 is laugh-out-loud foolish. Penn clearly landed more strikes in the first and possibly second rounds. I'm a huge Penn fan but you are correct, he didn't correctly adjust his gameplan.

Have you guys seen the lines for the Strikeforce event? Mayhem Miller's at -2000. Two THOUSAND!

Watch the first round again and take a look at BJs face. BJ clearly did less damage in that round. I agree 50-45 was a bad scoring of the fight, but I could easily give 4 rounds to Edgar. Penn gassed, and thats why he didn't take the fight to the ground. I was really upset when he didn't defend his lightweight title for over 18 months. He had one defense against Sherk after beating Joe Daddy, and than no lightweight contender saw a title shot until Florian.

Steelergar 04-16-2010 07:53 AM

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Holy Strikeforce I'm getting excited. I only see three events for the main event but all three should be a war.

ActionAndy 04-16-2010 09:59 AM

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Nothing against Jake Shields but I hope we see another Hendo crow-hop right.

Steelergar 04-18-2010 12:52 AM

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You guys think King Mo won that fight?

chippewastud79 04-18-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar (Post 831537)
You guys think King Mo won that fight?

Yes. He took him down repeatedly and controlled the pace of the fight. He took a lot of damage but he dictated the fight, got the takedowns and landed some decent shots, in my opinion, thats enough to win. :2

ActionAndy 04-19-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79 (Post 831914)
Yes. He took him down repeatedly and controlled the pace of the fight. He took a lot of damage but he dictated the fight, got the takedowns and landed some decent shots, in my opinion, thats enough to win. :2


I agree that according to the american scoring system Mo won that fight. I was screaming at Mousasi to get up and work his boxing. But if there were no belts or purses on the line, which one of those guys would you rather have been at the end of the night? Mo looked like living death after the brawl...

I don't know if I have any bright suggestions for how to deal with that type of a situation, just hate seeing that sort of victory.

Steelergar 04-19-2010 04:55 PM

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Yeah King Mo looked like a mutant from total recall after that fight. I guess I don't like the american scoring system. If you can't pass the guard or seriously damage someone who wants to fight from their back. What advantage do they have? Someone told me these guys are having a rematch in DREAM. I'd put my money on Mousasi.

J0eybb 04-19-2010 05:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steelergar (Post 831537)
You guys think King Mo won that fight?

Yes, He looked like crap, but he won taht fightm under any rules, other than the ugliest Mf'r rules.

goalie204 04-20-2010 05:26 AM

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crappy card, hopefully ufc on saturday sucks less

white_s2k 04-23-2010 04:09 PM

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Looking forward to the WEC card on Saturday. Henderson vs. Cerrone should be a great fight. :tu

goalie204 04-25-2010 07:41 AM

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ben henderson owned the cowboy, not a bad card.

goalie204 05-09-2010 03:53 PM

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good ufc last night. Daley fired for his sucker punch, and dana says kimbo is 'probably' out also. peaced.

Steelergar 05-11-2010 08:10 AM

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The Strikeforce event on Saturday has alot of potential, I can't wait to see Roger Gracie. I just saw the DREAM May 29th show has some great matchups also with Nick Diaz vs Sakurai and Ralek Gracie vs the gracie hunter. As well as some good featherweight fights. Oh Yeah great fight Shogun!

Steelergar 05-29-2010 08:34 AM

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If any of you still watch mma check out the DREAM 14 fights from last night. There's alot of finishes and the Kazushi vs Ralek Gracie is a great chess match fight with a exciting ending. Their on you tube.

goalie204 05-29-2010 10:07 AM

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watched it, was good. It's showtime and ufc today

forgop 05-29-2010 10:55 AM

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I'm reallly looking forward to watching Jackson/Evans tonight. I loved watching them on the Ultimate Fighter. I know the UFC fighters aren't buddies like the WWE, buy this is clearly one of those cases of 2 guys that clearly pretty much hate each other. I'm hoping Evans knocks Rampage out.

kgoings 05-29-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 872579)
I'm reallly looking forward to watching Jackson/Evans tonight. I loved watching them on the Ultimate Fighter. I know the UFC fighters aren't buddies like the WWE, buy this is clearly one of those cases of 2 guys that clearly pretty much hate each other. I'm hoping Evans knocks Rampage out.

:tpd: But not cause I dont like rampage...I like them both.

forgop 05-29-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kgoings (Post 872669)
:tpd: But not cause I dont like rampage...I like them both.

I don't dislike Rampage either-I liked both of them on the show, but to me, it's just a matter of Rampage not being a team player when it it came to his fighters getting beat and just turning his back on them. That's bush league IMO.

Santesyu 05-29-2010 08:35 PM

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iam watching stream dont knwo if thats against the rules or not...but pm I guess? but anyway CMON RAMPAGE!

forgop 05-30-2010 10:11 AM

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I was hoping for a brawl between Rampage/Rashad, but Rashad did what he had to do to pull out the win.

DonnieW 05-30-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by forgop (Post 873231)
I was hoping for a brawl between Rampage/Rashad, but Rashad did what he had to do to pull out the win.

That was one of the most disappointing fights I've ever seen.

icehog3 05-30-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DonnieW (Post 873233)
That was one of the most disappointing fights I've ever seen.

Glad I didn't spend any cash on it.

kgoings 05-30-2010 12:57 PM

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Yea the main event was quite a let down, but the third round was kinda exciting.

I was really hoping Bisping got his a$$ kicked again...another let down :td

Brilz got royally screwed, couldnt believe Lil Nog got the decision :td

Diego got whooped, great fight for John Hathoway :tu

Melvin Guillard had a great knee to the body to finish Lowe :tu

chippewastud79 05-30-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kgoings (Post 873327)

Brilz got royally screwed, couldnt believe Lil Nog got the decision :td

:tpd: That was a terrible decision. That kid fought a great fight on short notice against a competitor he admitted was far superior to any one he had ever faught. :rolleyes:


The 3rd round of the main event was a decent end to an otherwise awful fight. Failed takedown attempts and no landed shots, just a lot of leaning on each other. :td

Steelergar 06-05-2010 09:22 PM

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I'm getting caught up on the bellator's that happened the past month and I noticed alot of Sengoku fighters signed with them this season. Its easy to say Eddie Alvarez and Dan Hornbuckle are among the best in the world at the respective weight class. Eddie Alvarez a known brawler has five straight submission victories since his loss to Shinya Aoki. Also did anybody see Aleksander Emelianenko's last 2 fights?

Steelergar 06-06-2010 11:32 AM

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Paulo Filho won by TKO in the 1st round last night against heavyweight daniel gabriel in Brazil .

Steelergar 06-16-2010 10:43 PM

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just watched some good fights from strikeforce los angeles, I like watching that special forces sniper they have at middleweight. Anybody know what channel bellator is on tomorrow night? Dan Hornbuckle is in the main event.

Steelergar 06-27-2010 08:24 PM

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Hey guys some russian guy got triangled and arm barred at the same time, anybody see it?

yachties23 06-27-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar (Post 900991)
Hey guys some russian guy got triangled and arm barred at the same time, anybody see it?


Looked like some rookie mistake to me, I think the guy has potential though.


Straight up was shocked, especially when it looked like he escaped the first time. Big hit to his mark of invincibility, I could only imagine what the look on Dana's face was.

goalie204 06-28-2010 07:04 AM

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funny, the guy that couldn't make a deal with the ufc, and lost to arlovski and dos santos in the ufc just beat the so called "best fighter in the world"

Steelergar 06-28-2010 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 901238)
funny, the guy that couldn't make a deal with the ufc, and lost to arlovski and dos santos in the ufc just beat the so called "best fighter in the world"

Hey pal, anytime your got a BJJ blackbelt and a Abu Dahbi caliber grappler at that, they have the tools to beat anybody. Dos Santos is the next UFC heavyweight champ as soon as they give him the title shot.

goalie204 06-28-2010 09:22 AM

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hey pal...ok?

ActionAndy 06-28-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar (Post 901293)
Hey pal, anytime your got a BJJ blackbelt and a Abu Dahbi caliber grappler at that, they have the tools to beat anybody. Dos Santos is the next UFC heavyweight champ as soon as they give him the title shot.

I'm glad I'm not alone on the Dos Santos train.

And goalie you can't refer to Fedor as the "so-called" best fighter in the world until you can name me another fighter with a thirty fight win streak.

goalie204 06-29-2010 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ActionAndy (Post 901508)
I'm glad I'm not alone on the Dos Santos train.

And goalie you can't refer to Fedor as the "so-called" best fighter in the world until you can name me another fighter with a thirty fight win streak.

That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

wayner123 06-29-2010 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by goalie204 (Post 902390)
That's like saying brittney spears or ke$ha are the best singers because they're so talented.

Look at a lot of fedors last wins..brett rogers..andrei arlovski...tim sylvia...matt lindland...mark coleman...crocop... he fought a few really good fighters and won, but most of his wins have been over cans. Sorry, but i've always said and maintain, fedor is overrated.

So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

ActionAndy 06-29-2010 07:52 AM

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The records of some of Fedor's opponents (at the time he fought them):

Cro-Cop was 16-2-2
Nog was 24-2-1
Coleman was 13-5 (first time)
Sylvia was 24-4
Arlovski was 15-5
Fujita was 9-2
Lindland 19-4

What a bunch of bums!

goalie204 06-29-2010 11:41 AM

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From a post, which i kind of agree with:

Ricardo Arona by decision--->fedor was on top of him most of the match. He won the decision because Fedor was on top of him..SHOULDA been a DRAW!!


Renato BABALU Sobral by decision----->again, fedor was on top of babalu, that is how he won the decision.

Heath Herring by Cut--->a win on a cut really doesn't count as a real MMA win.

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueira by decision--->all fedor did was stay on top of nog and kill the clock.

Kazayuki Fujita by choke---->I gotta admit that fedor won this match fair and square. However, Fujita isn't a top 10 heavyweight at the time.

mark coleman by armbar--->im pretty sure, defeating a 41 year old man counts....

Antonio Rodgrigo Nogueaira 2 by decision--->fedor won because he stayed on top of NOG. Nog and fedor's standup game were similar.

Mirko Filipinovic By decision--->Fedor knows he cannot outstrike Mirko (at the time) , so he had to tackle him to the ground and Kill some clock. The refs like MMA fighters that stay on top, therefore fedor won.


Summary?!!

Fedor has beaten the top MMA fighters in Pride; however, he won through DECISION.

The only MMA fighters that wasn't cans that he defeated was-->a 41 year old mark coleman, kevin randleman, a non top 10 heavyweight kazayuki Fujita, and a 41 year old don fry.

EVERY other NON can MMA match, fedor WOn through decision.

Fedor--->overrated. He wins against top heavyweights through decision.. WHILE he Beat up on CANS, claiming he is the best.

Fedor is overrated. NUFF SAID.... Fedor is a DECISION fighter.

wayner123 06-29-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner123 (Post 902405)
So which Champion or top MMA person, is not overrated in your opinion?

Ahem :confused::confused:

ActionAndy 06-29-2010 12:05 PM

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So GSP isn't a real champ either? I can see your point that he's not always finishing fights--there is a hyped mystique around the guy that he could kill grizzly bears with eye lasers and all that, but c'mon. At the time he fought them Sylvia and Arlovski were NOT cans and he finished both of them. He finished Sylvia so quick you could watch the fight twice before the average Billy Mays commercial ends.

Starscream 06-29-2010 12:41 PM

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Any word on Batista signing with Strikeforce yet?

goalie204 06-29-2010 04:39 PM

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i never said he wasn't a real champ, so don't put words in my mouth, i just said fedor is overrated, and sylvia was pretty much always a can :p

Steelergar 06-29-2010 10:41 PM

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This is a dead horse I'm really sick of hearing about it but I laughed when you called Fedor a decision fighter. Thats the 1st time I heard that, he has 1 decision win in the last 5 years. Most fighters don't even last 5 years in the buisness. Fedor has a worldwide reputation to go for the kill. He willingly risk himself to finish people and doesn't hesitate to jump in a world class bjj guard. Andrson the punk Silva would have run away and danced around the ring like he did against Maia. Silva and Chael Sonnen are decision fighters.

goalie204 06-30-2010 08:59 AM

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If you'd have actually read the first thing i said in that post, it said "from a post" meaning it was a copy/paste from another place. I never said any of those things, just that i agreed with some of it.


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