Cigar Asylum Cigar Forum - First Firearm Thread.

hmm... I must be missing something here.

I picked up a Sightmark red dot scope after reading good reviews around the web, my FIRST red dot sight.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o01_s01_i03

Build quality seems good enough, good field of view, mostly visible red dot (bright sunlight and snow like I have here gave it a bit of trouble, but you can still make out the dot, which is all one can expect for under $100.

But here's the problem - correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, the theory of a red dot is that, similar to a reflex sight, the dot moves around in the window relative to your head position, so it doesn't matter what angle you look through it, the dot is on target, right?

So I set it down on the table, aimed it at the wall 10ft away, and peered through. Eureka, a dot! and I moved my head to the side, Eureka, the dot moved with my head! But wait... the point of aim also moved with my head! Significantly! At only 10ft away, moving my head to the side could adjust the point of aim by approx. 4 inches in either direction!

This effect is generally minimized with a scope which has minimal eye relief, you can't actually see through it unless you're lined up pretty close to center. But with a wide red dot tube like that one, if the point of aim shifts, then how are you supposed to line your head up precisely down the middle to get an accurate shot if it has such a wide viewing angle?

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

CigarSquid

01-07-2013 08:28 PM

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Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

Robulous78

01-07-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WyGuy (Post 1777693)

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

the wiki quik explanation

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emopunker2004

01-07-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1777694)

Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

Do it. Significantly cheaper and since its range ammo it should serve ur purpose

emopunker2004

01-07-2013 08:37 PM

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Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait til payday

Robulous78

01-07-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777700)

Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait tile payday

What are you getting Justin?

emopunker2004

01-07-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777703)

What are you getting Justin?

Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

Robulous78

01-07-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777705)

Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

Oh? that requires licensing? I had heard you talk about it but I didn't know...

emopunker2004

01-07-2013 08:52 PM

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Yeh any rifle with a barrel less than 16" or shotgun with barrel under 18" is a sbr or sbs and I have to fill out forms and mail money to the ATF for a "tax stamp"

Robulous78

01-07-2013 09:02 PM

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Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have atleast the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

spectrrr

01-07-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777713)

Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have at least the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

Well, that goes back to the history of the NFA, which was conveniently passed right at the end of prohibition, when all those agents were about to find themselves without a job. Never heard of a government agency ever getting SMALLER now have you? They had to come up with something for guys to do once all the horrible liquor was legal again.

So why the individual items?

Silencer - This was also during the great depression, people needed food, and they had a problem with poachers selling illegal meat.

Machine Guns - They needed extra charges to hold chicago gangsters on, and they were carrying tommy guns.

SBRs - not sure on this one, might be more of the machine gun logic.

So why $200? well, $200 seems like nothing to pay today, that's about the price of a new smartphone! But just imagine trying to pony up $200 back in 1934!

spectrrr

01-07-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WyGuy (Post 1777693)

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

ah hah :tu

emopunker2004

01-08-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Robulous78 (Post 1777713)

Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

Blueface

01-08-2013 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by emopunker2004 (Post 1777809)

Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

emopunker2004

01-08-2013 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1777813)

Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

There are two routes you can take.

1. Have a revocable living trust that the NFA item will belong to. Also with the trust, only persons designated as Trustee can handle the NFA item. With the regular route like route 2, only the person who sent in the Form1/4 can handle it.
or
2. Get fingerprinted and then have the Sheriff or Police Chief sign off on your Form 1.

I'm going route 1 to avoid the hassle of route 2. The signature is really only supposed to be the CLEO saying that they know no reason why you would use the NFA item for illegal purposes. But most use it as a way to just be a dick and depending on the CLEO they may deny or approve however they like. You can also have a judge sign instead but unfortunately the only really gun friendly judge we had got voted out of office this time.

Some people pay big $ and set up a trust through a lawyer who knows NFA very well. Most use quicken willmaker plus 2009 to do it cuz it's cheap/free. Just make sure you get the 2009 or older edition as the 2010 and newer don't do trusts.

CigarSquid

01-08-2013 07:21 AM

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Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

emopunker2004

01-08-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by garryyjr (Post 1777838)

Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

Get the ammo from the place i linked?

I use a 5.11 Double Duty belt for my EDC belt. :tu

CigarSquid