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Yeah, and we can thank the players' union for that. With a steroid ban but no testing or penalties, any player who did the right thing and didn't take steroids was at a disadvantage.

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:tpd::tpd::tpd:

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I'm not condoning steroids, but nowadays you have to take them just to be competitive w/ the rest of the users in professional sports today. There are still some greats who are steroid free, such as Griffey Jr. (at least as far as we know), but it seems that more and more of these guys are users. Makes me wonder why Barry Bonds was crucified when there were many others doing the same thing he was doing (and before you say they crucified him for being an @$$hole, look at Ty Cobb).



I kinda expect this outta A-Rod, but I'd be shocked if it comes out that Jeter was a user. He's more of a class act than that, despite him being a Yankee.

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I can only speak for myself but for me it is because he broke long-standing and respected records with the help of an advantage that the record holders did not have. I highly doubt that Hank Aaron used anabolic steroids.

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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/pgStory...&photo=9197300


great list detailing what a scumbag this guy has been

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I also highly doubt that Hank Aaron faced pitchers who used anabolic steroids either. :)

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True....I think MLB is going to have to have some kind of Asterik, footnote (call it what you want) to distinguish the Steroid Era. I love the game and it will go on. Tough decision though on how to account for this

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I guess its ok to cheat if everyone is cheating, and also ok to steal if everyone is stealing, etc.

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Exactly!:D

No, it's not, but if everyone else is doing it, one person should not be crucified while others are merely slapped on the wrist. I'm not condoning the use of steroids, just pointing out an often overlooked point-of-view.

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:tpd:

It is a shame but it is true. Baseball definitely lost it's innocence in the last 10 years or so and it is really sad.

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Agreed...Look the media sucks and anyone that does not cooperate with them (Barry Bonds for one) gets crucified by them....The media in this country sucks and plays a large part in what gets spoon fed to us

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And that's not just baseball. Look at our economic crisis right now. It wasn't good in the first place, but the media has caused us to spiral in the last few months out of nothing more than fearmongering tactics.

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Do you think the Sox are immune from this? Think Kapler is roid's free? What about Ortiz? Certainly when Conseco was playing several players from Valentin, Vaughn, Everett look like obvious "enhanced" players...

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Bonds had nothing lose by telling the truth, but he is such a self-centered egomaniac. He believes his own dillusions and that he is untouchable. I don't think Congress should even bother with this, but it looks like Bonds could see jail time in this...

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Did you read my previous post where I stated that any Red Sox players who used were also a POS? I am convinced that Kapler and Nomar used and with his behavior, Everett would be a good suspect. It would be nice if people would read a thread before jumping someone's schitt.

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That's a pretty bad list. I don't like A-Rod, but I wouldn't call him a scumbag. He at the very least has donated quite a few million dollars to various charities.

Overpaid, over hyped, under performer in the playoffs, bad choice in women, sure. Scumbag no.

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That's my biggest peeve in all of this. Why is Congress getting involved in Major League Baseball? Don't they have important things to worry about, such as the economy, our troops, and our overall well-being?

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"hating on the Yankees is a boston tradition." LOL, so true. Some of my best friends are Red Sox fans and we enjoy such banter. But be honest if you guys had him you guys would be singing a different song. That is my only point. IMHO my response was fair and justified though especially with all the anti-Yankees rhetoric found in these threads. I too condemn any player that does this on that we can agree.

You guys won a series, the curse is over, move on. That is what I am getting at.

T

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well, the guy came out and admitted roid use from 2001-2003. I will give him credit for having the balls to own up to it instead of flat out denying it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

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:tpd:
Most of them will deny it even after getting caught.

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He did it because his PR folks told him to do it. I'm sure they had an 8 hour meeting with the best PR strategist foks that money could buy and they told him to do this.

Look at the recent events in this area and how the public has reacted. Clemens and Bonds admit nothing to this day while Giambi and some others apoligize and the public and media are much more accepting....

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anybody watching his interview with Peter Gammons on ESPN? Its making me sick listening to this guy. "It feels good to come out and get it off my chest" I highly doubt he would have admitted to roiding up if he didn't get caught. What a clown.

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Maybe his apology is forced, but it seems as if he is being fairly upfront with the admission. No smoke and mirrors, no saying he was doing it for an injury, no saying he didn't know it was illegal or didn't know what he was taking. He admits he messed up and that it is all his fault for trying to get a competitive edge. Better than many other athletes who have skated the issue and continue to do the same thing.

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When asked which substances he took he replied he didn't know what he was taking. Give me a break

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:tpd: What a joke he is and Gammons (Boston Native) is being soft on him....

I need a drink after watching this Soap Opera :al:al:al

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Interesting statement. The next time you break the law (smoke pot, speed, buy cuban cigars, etc) I expect the first thing you'll do is run straight to the law and admit your guilt, because your a person of such higher morals :r

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He admitted he knew what he was taking was illegal and he was guilty of trusting people by using what they told him to. He also said he didn't know what he had tested positive for so he wasn't going to say what it was. I am not a fan of the Yankees, nor am I a fan of Alex Rodriguez, but I respect him for being fairly upfront about it and owning up to his actions. I realize that Red Sox Nation and a lot of fans will hold this against him for a while, but atleast he came clean and admitted it.

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If you look at an earlier post I said I give him credit for coming out and saying he did it. How can you not laugh at him and roll your eyes when he gives a statement such as "I was young, stupid, I was nieve." He had been in the league for 8 years. Its not like he was a rookie looking to prove something. He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Cripes, make up your mind. :rolleyes:

To all so quick to hang the man: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." ;)

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I think deep down your really obsessed over A-Rod. I mean, we've been listening to you talk about him ever since you used to go by Stogiefanatic or whatever it was at CS :r

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Yes he likely did, and he also knew it wasn't illegal or get him suspended at the time. He also knew that many other players were doing the same thing for a "competitive edge". He owned up to it and you have to give him credit for that.

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Absolutely. :2

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:bh

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Enjoy it while you can Sox fans. There are 103 other names still to be revealed on that list.

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As long as Griffey ain't one of them, then it's not the end of the world for me.

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I think Griffey is clean, at least I hope to God he is. If not baseball is really going to have a problem on their hands.

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At this point I think every player in the last 10-15 years has done PEDs at least once in their career.

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I agree to a point. If I had to guess, 50-60%

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The one name that scares me coming out is Jeter.

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You can't tell by looks alone, but Jeter doesn't have the "look" of a steroid user. But then again, neither do many of the smaller size wrestlers in the WWE who have tested positive through the years.

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You also have to look at the players that have tested positive the last year have mostly been skinny middle relievers that do not have that roid look. It also takes years of use to get the Bonds look.

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He is a pretty big dude, he was 2 feet in front of me at Fenway in 04. Most of the designer PEDs guys are taking now don't give you the Conseco, McGuire look. The stuff A-Rod took did not give him that roided look but he still looked absolutely huge. I have a pic I took of him and Jeter walking side by side in 2004 and A-Rod is way bigger than Jeter

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Texeira played on that Rangers team as well........

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The worst part of this is that sumbag Canseco has been proven right yet again.

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Here are a few pics of A-Rod and Jeter on July 24, 2004

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3691/1202038hu8.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5...2043zf5.th.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8...2061ob5.th.jpg

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Pudge Rodriguez was also on the team with A-Rod for 2 years. He never seemed to get big but he stayed heathier than many other catchers. All this witch hunting could have been avoided if the Commissioner's Office had kept their word and destroyed the records after getting the statistical data. And once again for you Yankee fans, I do expect that several Red Sox players will be on the list if it is ever released including Nomar.

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I agree that A-Rod does not have that bulky roid look especially in these pictures.

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OK, How about Big Papi? How about Manny? Let's throw Varitek in there too.

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I have always thought Manny was a roider especially with all his personality issues. Big Papi I think is just a big dude.

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Varitek is a freakin monster as well, saw him up close a few times this past season. Its possible hes on something. I agree about Ortiz I think hes just a natural big dude.