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of course since he is posting things that are other people's work … minus the artistic license.

http://pre01.deviantart.net/5394/th/...er-d83ukno.jpg

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A doodle image will be available in a day or so for comments....

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Only the really tough ones

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The real men smoked cigars! The girly men lit the cigars for the real men. The morale of this story is your either smoking a cigar or your lighting cigars. Your choice of course.

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Reno and all inmates. Here is a sample. If you like the concept we will detail/ modify as desired.

Here Is the general concept:
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...psuqtwucbm.jpg

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A bit cyborgish with the light and camera and I'm guessing a mic / comm support. Personally I like the old school WWII look...but then I'll buy a shitload of them no matter what. :D :lr

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Modern warfare look is good. I'm with Adam on feeling nostalgic and WW II but in the end, I like the troop theme.

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I agree with Adam and Dave.
For my :2, I think the smoke looks more like a cigarette than a cigar.

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OK - so lose the headlight, beef up the cigar.
Concept?

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Still Favor Something Similar To This.:tu

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I agree with Greg.

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How about a guy like this then? Swap out cigarette for big cigar.

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/boot_camp.htm

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The more I think about it, the more I realize that we need to make our own! I was thinking about Churchill or US Grant- but I'm sure their visages are also copyrighted!

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The images themselves aren't but the picture might be. I think since we don't "profit" from the images and just use them for a hobby if you will, most likely we can do whatever we want butI am no lawyer.

Most likely we are below radar and concern. I can ask some lawyer friends but they don't specialize in copyright or patents so they would just be a slightly better opinion then myself.

Maybe Warner Bros will respond and a CEO will want to talk cigars? Could happen hah.

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:po

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Ok, here is the legal side. Summary, as long as we don't profit from the image, we can pretty much do whatever we want.

http://info.legalzoom.com/profit-vs-...ues-20396.html

Profit and Remedies

If your use of a copyrighted work is found to be an infringement, a variety of legal remedies are available to the copyright holder. If the copyright was registered with the U.S. Copyright Office before you infringed it, or within three months of its publication, you may be fined between $750 and $150,000 per act of infringement at the discretion of the court. The fact that you profited from the work might lead a court to assess a higher damage award against you. If the copyright was not registered in time, the court may still order you to turn over all of your profits to the copyright holder. If your use was for non-profit purposes and the work was not registered, the copyright holder must prove that he suffered actual damages from your use to win a judgment. It is often quite difficult to prove damages in copyright infringement cases when the infringing party did not profit from his use of the copyrighted material.

The nonprofit angle is often used by YouTube gamer commentaries when in game audio includes music that is trademarked. If you do not profit, Sony can't cause your video to be removed however, if you turn on advertising and profit, then Sony can make claims to the audio if it can meet some threshold above Fair Use which YouTube gives to Sony upon any claim. So video game reviewers have taken to removing music audio tracks if possible if they intend to profit from the review. Conversely, Twitch TV streams the actual content as it's being played and hasn't run afoul of Sony I presume because the stream isn't saved just broadcast.

Summary, we can do whatever we want, have at it.

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Also bear in mind that the company manufacturing the poker chips will be making a profit, so using an image without permission potentially puts them at risk. Your you tube example is not applicable since there are no tangible, physical goods involved, and no third party making a profit.

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How about a limited run of the ToE. A limited number of each chip with one of the ToE's picture on each chip :D

Sorry ToE's, I just woke up :r

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Hafta agree with Adam. The TOE will have to make the final decision, but in the litigious society we live in we need to tread carefully when using images of people or cartoons/drawings. Even if I take a picture of a guy re-enacting a German General- if I want to profit from that picture I would need his permission. That is why some photogs have model releases in their camera bags. Ideally we have one of the talented folks here draw a soldier and use that depiction on the coin. I doubt a small group like ours has anything to worry about and IF we were "found out" we'd probably simply get a "cease and desist" order, but why even tempt fate? Let's go with our own design.

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They may have to throw Peters chip in the clearance aisle. :)

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You get a pass, buddy.
You, on the other hand. :fu2

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How would we ever get a picture of Tyr since we never see him? ;)

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I copyrighted Peter's image a few days ago and I find that unacceptable.

A BOGO would be ok by me though.

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Sure. But which one of the many Photochops of me would you use? There are easily a dozen viable choices. Can you say "Commemorative Set"? :=:

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Or we could just email the artist and ask him to use the image, let him know it's not for profit, they are just commemorative and are traded back and forth between the members, maybe toss him a cigar or two if he's interested, I don't think it's a huge deal and worth asking. I'm sure there's a contact link on that site is anyone here a member of Deviant?

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You bring up an interesting point however I stand by my assertion that it's a non-profit activity since the company making the chips makes profit from the chips themselves and not from any artwork etc we ask them to use. The same could be said for publishers of others works as well as T-Shirt companies who provide a service to the owners of the images but don't actually profit from the copywrited material and instead profit from the service.

So back to my assertion, we can use the images as long as it's not for profit for ourselves. And even more so if it's a one time activity and on a limited run.

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Unless folks posting here practice copyright/patent law (and can offer solid advice), I am inclined to avoid any possible issues - no matter how strong the assertions or "potential" lack of risk.

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So my mate Jon (who did the soldier guy I posted) can draw just about anything. So with some generic guidelines, he'll whip us up some samples.

I'll ask him to do a few military theme subjects - concept sketches first.

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:tu

Thanks, Neil.

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A Mountie with a cigar hanging from his mouth? It could be a regional release

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I like this one

http://i.imgur.com/dVUgYkD.jpg

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Eye bleach, please.

Neil, thanks for your help on this. :tu

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My wife agreed to whip up something as well. What format does the poker chip company require? .bmp, .jpg, .tiff?

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Just a pic

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Ahhhhhh.

:lr

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"Exclusivo Canada!"

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Ok here is what the wife whipped up. The background is the Asylum used from the image on a previous coin. The mug is myself so only my Mom can claim copyright.

The cigar is unbranded and would be hard to see. I think it was a AJ Frrnandez The Bull.

The idea for the other side would be dog tags with Cigar on one and Asylum in the other.

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8cg4nmh0.jpg

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I hold the copyright to this shot
http://i1333.photobucket.com/albums/...se6tbezs7.jpeg
Just need to get the badass in the pictures permission:D

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:tu

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:tu:tu:tu

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Here's Jon's latest. Sorry about the stain - I stood on it with my snow covered boots when I stepped into my office this morning. (He had slipped it under the door)
Concept sketch:

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...psteavyliw.jpg

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I know I am a new guy here, and haven't been involved with this forum long, but this sounds like a cool thing. So I'll take my chances and make a suggestion.

What if Side A had the American Flag and a thanks to our troops, or something about supporting them and Side B have a Person with a Hannibal like mask smoking a cigar through the mask, with the name Cigar over and Asylum under the image on side B.

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Neil, nice work by your friend. I like the slight lightheartedness it brings.


Jordan, just fyi, the crazy guy motif was already done a few years ago. http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=20

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Gotcha, For some reason when I was reading through the thread before posting, that was one of about 3 pictures that didn't show up.

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Attachment 16474

How about something like this? Then on the other side a set of dog tags that has "Cigar Asylum" on one and "Supporting the troops since 2008" on the other?

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I like it

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Gonna lower the dog tags a bit and darken them, kind of looks like a scout neckerchief.