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Chainsaw13 12-09-2015 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAsh (Post 2065340)
vin...I usually add an extra hour for anything up to 2 inches thick...then begin my sous vide cook time....the hour in the bath allows for thaw

That's about what I did also.

jonumberone 12-10-2015 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by markem (Post 2065325)
I do not have a vacuum sealer, so have been using the zip-lock immersion technique. I think that both would have been better fully sealed. I'll get a vacuum sealer after the holidays.

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Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 2065329)

I want to thank Dom for starting this thread! I am not up for using the grill in the pouring rain or freezing cold, and now I can still have a good steak! Going to try some lamb chops next :D

I think it's awesome that the two of you ordered one.
I can't wait to see what other people turn out with the sous vide method.
First Pit Barrel Cookers, and now Anova circulators. I'm a bad influence! :D
I just can't get Pnoon to finally break down and get the PBC. The force is strong with that one. :sl

Mark, curious why you think using a vacuum sealer would turn out a better product? It's my understanding that the reason for removing the air is because it is a poor conductor of heat. Was it that you weren't able to get out all the air with the immersion technique, or did you read something that a better vacuum holds in more moisture?

stearns 12-10-2015 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2065456)
I'm a bad influence! :D

Understatement of the year :r

markem 12-10-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2065456)
Mark, curious why you think using a vacuum sealer would turn out a better product? It's my understanding that the reason for removing the air is because it is a poor conductor of heat. Was it that you weren't able to get out all the air with the immersion technique, or did you read something that a better vacuum holds in more moisture?

Holds the liquids in better contact with the meat.

bonjing 12-13-2015 03:19 PM

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Why such long cook times? And do you adjust the cook times if you're going to wear meats? How is this using seafood, mainly asking about fish.

AdamJoshua 12-13-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 2065956)
Why such long cook times? And do you adjust the cook times if you're going to wear meats? How is this using seafood, mainly asking about fish.

I always try to make sure meats are at least medium rare before I wear them.

bonjing 12-13-2015 06:15 PM

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I don't know how that happened? Oh nevermind, fat fingers. That was a little Hannibal Lecter'ish :D. I meant sear meats.

markem 12-13-2015 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 2065956)
Why such long cook times? And do you adjust the cook times if you're going to wear meats? How is this using seafood, mainly asking about fish.

Hey Greg - hope you are feeling better.

I like this site for ideas about fish. In general, it is better to cook fish in water than any other way so that it cooks evenly and doesn't dry out.

http://blog.sousvidesupreme.com/cate...h-and-seafood/

I plan to do some cod and halibut once I am back from vacation.

CigarNut 12-13-2015 08:40 PM

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I cooked some (3) lamb shoulder blade chops tonight -- 3 hours @ 135 degrees; seared 90 seconds in cast iron on each side in bacon fat. They came out fantastic, perfectly done (medium rare, jucy and tender):

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attach...9&d=1450064313

I was not sure about the cook time and temp as I got conflicting info from the Internet. I consulted with our local expert (dom) and he helped me out!

Porch Dweller 12-13-2015 09:01 PM

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This thread is really making me consider picking up a sous vide unit. I'm :dr over the pictures.

Chainsaw13 12-14-2015 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjing (Post 2065956)
Why such long cook times?

The long cook times are a factor of the low temps the items are being cooked at. The extra time allows for the proteins to come to temp all the way through the item. In the case of things like chicken, turkey, the extended times also pasteurize the meats, making them safe to eat, but not having to get cooked at the higher temps associated with baking/roasting. Lastly, for items with a lot of collagen and connective tissues, the extra time is needed to break them down. Same concept as doing a braise or bbq.

mosesbotbol 12-14-2015 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 2066013)
Lastly, for items with a lot of collagen and connective tissues, the extra time is needed to break them down. Same concept as doing a braise or bbq.

I hear my buddy say this part a lot.

T.G 12-15-2015 08:29 AM

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Trying to determine if the Wi-Fi model is worth the extra $70.

Aside from better wireless range and being able to configure a router to allow one to communicate with the cooker from outside your home (or wherever you have the cooker set up), is there any other difference between the BT and the Wi-Fi?

Is the phone app even any good? And does anyone really even use it to control the cooker? Play store reviews for the android version are mixed.

Chainsaw13 12-15-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2066191)
Trying to determine if the Wi-Fi model is worth the extra $70.

Aside from better wireless range and being able to configure a router to allow one to communicate with the cooker from outside your home (or wherever you have the cooker set up), is there any other difference between the BT and the Wi-Fi?

Is the phone app even any good? And does anyone really even use it to control the cooker? Play store reviews for the android version are mixed.

Take it for what it's worth, but I don't use the BT/app all that much with my limited cooking with the Anova. The short range, always having to connect when you reopen the app. The one thing i do use it for is to set the timer on the Anova. Easier than on the unit itself.

bvilchez 12-15-2015 10:51 AM

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So I see this thread and told the wife I want one for Christmas. We shall see what arrives.

Dom....you just keep pushing us down a different slope brother.

jonumberone 12-15-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2066191)
Trying to determine if the Wi-Fi model is worth the extra $70.

I have the Wi-Fi model. At the time I ordered mine it was $30 cheaper than the Bluetooth model.
I think whether or not it's worth it depends on how you plan on using it.
I'm always monitoring pit and meat temps when I bbq, so doing the same thing with the Anova appeals to me.
If you don't see the need to start it up, monitor it, or access it remotely, than it's probably not worth it.
I personally like the thought of being able to monitor it, but I don't think I'll ever start it remotely.

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2066191)
Aside from better wireless range and being able to configure a router to allow one to communicate with the cooker from outside your home (or wherever you have the cooker set up), is there any other difference between the BT and the Wi-Fi?

As far as I know, that is the only difference.
All the specs on the Anova website are the same, and the units look identical
I found this blurb in a review on CNet

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This is the company's second connected product for home cooks; the previous Anova Precision cooker only has Bluetooth, which gives users the ability to control the cooker from across the house, but not across town. Besides the addition of Wi-Fi, the newest Anova isn't much different than the Bluetooth-only model, which costs $20 less. Both cookers are nearly identical, as is their cooking performances. The most notable difference is the availability of the bare-bones app that pairs with the Wi-Fi unit. You can connect to the Anova Wi-Fi cooker from anywhere, but the app is pretty limited in its commands. Anova's previous app for the Bluetooth-only model, which is available for iOS and Android, is far more robust and helpful for using the precision cooker. Fortunately, you can use the heartier app on the Wi-Fi cooker. Just brace yourself for double notifications from both apps.
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2066191)
Is the phone app even any good? And does anyone really even use it to control the cooker? Play store reviews for the android version are mixed.

Being alerted when the water comes to temp and being able to set the timer are nice features, but the range sucks.
The few times I let the Anova heat the water, I used my Maverick thermometer to alert me since the app can't see the Anova from my lounge.
I haven't seen the bare bones Wi-Fi app Cnet mentioned for android, so I haven't had a chance to even try any of the Wi-Fi features.

jonumberone 12-15-2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bvilchez (Post 2066219)
So I see this thread and told the wife I want one for Christmas. We shall see what arrives.

Dom....you just keep pushing us down a different slope brother.

My pleasure, Jay! :D

CigarNut 12-15-2015 01:32 PM

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I have the Bluetooth model and I use the app all the time -- I use it to set the time and temperature and to get alerts -- the app alerts when the water is at temperature and when the time has completed.

I periodically check the app to verify that the temperature is holding.

I wish that the app would alert me when the temp is close -- the Anova beeps when the water is within 2 or 3 degrees, but the app does not (yet).

The BT model is limited on range, but the extra dollars for the Wi-Fi was not worth it for me as I am generally within BT range -- or not out of range for very long.

I really like the Anova, but for me it's more about being able to cook things during the winter that I would normally grill (and it's too cold or too wet or too windy to grill). I have not yet found a food where the Sous Vide method is better than grilling. Then again, I have only used it twice :)

T.G 12-15-2015 06:00 PM

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Thanks for the info, guys. Just ordered the BT unit to play with.


Dom, we need to talk about that Lang split and if I can get a trailer hitch on a BMW.

jonumberone 12-16-2015 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2066276)
Thanks for the info, guys. Just ordered the BT unit to play with.


Dom, we need to talk about that Lang split and if I can get a trailer hitch on a BMW.

:D

omowasu 12-17-2015 07:48 PM

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I have the exact same Anova sous vide appliance, and have done both steaks and chicken in the Anova. I would really like to try a brisket soon, first preparing in the Anova and then smoking at a low temperature.

I have similar issues with the sear. A very hot charcoal grill tends to work well for the finish (red hot coals, 90 seconds on first side, 60 on other).

mosesbotbol 12-18-2015 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by omowasu (Post 2066627)
I would really like to try a brisket soon, first preparing in the Anova and then smoking at a low temperature.

Would be interesting to cold smoke the brisket first then SV it.

363 12-18-2015 07:35 AM

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Dom all of that looks great! this is something I have wanted to look into.

DBall 12-18-2015 06:03 PM

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doing my first long cook... Chuck at 136 for 48 hours... :banger

Chainsaw13 12-18-2015 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 2066809)
doing my first long cook... Chuck at 136 for 48 hours... :banger

Cannibalism? :D

Contemplating a 72 hour cook of some pork shanks. Problem is I want them for dinner on Sunday. Should've planned better.

AdamJoshua 12-18-2015 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 2066809)
doing my first long cook... Chuck at 136 for 48 hours... :banger

Poor Chuck, never had a chance. :sad

jonumberone 12-21-2015 06:35 AM

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Did a small 5lb rib roast yesterday.
First time I was really happy with the sear I got in a cast iron pan.
This time I used way more oil. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 an inch.
A little bit more mess, but it rally helped the Maillard reaction along.
Did this a little more well to appease my wife. 134° for 4.5 hours.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscsoncnbd.jpg

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psmap1p7pj.jpg

I was shocked at the large chunks of fat when I cut into it.
From the outside there was no indication that there would be that much fat.
But it was really easy to just eat around it.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psad15uh3j.jpg

Honestly, it was one of the best rib roasts I have made.
I let the roast wet age for close to 60 days, and it really showed in unbelievable tenderness that I have never achieved before.

mosesbotbol 12-21-2015 07:58 AM

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^^ Great Stuff ^^ looks awesome and making me hungry

T.G 12-21-2015 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 2063710)
Hey Dom, I'm thinking of picking up one of these for the searing process.

http://www.amazon.com/Searzall-Torch...keywords=anova


Hope you ordered early...

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attach...1&d=1450711129

CigarNut 12-21-2015 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2067098)
Did a small 5lb rib roast yesterday.
First time I was really happy with the sear I got in a cast iron pan.
This time I used way more oil. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 an inch.
A little bit more mess, but it rally helped the Maillard reaction along.
Did this a little more well to appease my wife. 134° for 4.5 hours.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscsoncnbd.jpg

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psmap1p7pj.jpg

I was shocked at the large chunks of fat when I cut into it.
From the outside there was no indication that there would be that much fat.
But it was really easy to just eat around it.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psad15uh3j.jpg

Honestly, it was one of the best rib roasts I have made.
I let the roast wet age for close to 60 days, and it really showed in unbelievable tenderness that I have never achieved before.

Wow, Dom! That looks fantastic! I would love to try that, but I might need a bigger pot :)

Chainsaw13 12-21-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2067116)

Holy shite! That should go into the Funny Pics II thread.

BigAsh 12-21-2015 09:04 AM

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Did 16 pounds of eye roast for a party Saturday...130 for 30 hours...seasoned well, then vac sealed...minimal post-bath sear as I was slicing thin on deli slicer for sandwiches...the juice in bag went into a stock pot with sweated onions/garlic, some add'l beef stock, and a concentrated "stock base" for an "au jus"...made a great sandwich with horeradish...way better than deli roast beef...
Out of the bag...
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps61klhejg.jpg

Sliced...
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...psquzoefpu.jpg

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...psyusnwqet.jpg

markem 12-21-2015 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAsh (Post 2067136)
Did 16 pounds of eye roast for a party Saturday...130 for 30 hours...seasoned well, then vac sealed...minimal post-bath sear as I was slicing thin on deli slicer for sandwiches...the juice in bag went into a stock pot with sweated onions/garlic, some add'l beef stock, and a concentrated "stock base" for an "au jus"...made a great sandwich with horeradish...way better than deli roast beef...

:dr Wow!

CigarNut 12-21-2015 10:21 AM

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Looks awesome!

stearns 12-21-2015 10:31 AM

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...holy s*** :dr

mosesbotbol 12-21-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAsh (Post 2067136)
...I was slicing thin on deli slicer for sandwiches...

What kind of deli slicer do you have?

BigAsh 12-21-2015 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2067163)
What kind of deli slicer do you have?

A cheap one from craigslist a couple years ago...$25...Buffalo Tools "Sportsman"...for the minimal need it fit the bill perfectly...works great but a b!tch to clean...(and it was only $25)

mosesbotbol 12-22-2015 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAsh (Post 2067166)
A cheap one from craigslist a couple years ago...$25...Buffalo Tools "Sportsman"...for the minimal need it fit the bill perfectly...works great but a b!tch to clean...(and it was only $25)

Tough to clean is what you get on the lower end. I been wanting to buy a deli slicer for some time, but am waiting to finish my kitchen first. The one's my buddy keeps pushing on my is near 1K; but he claims is worth it...

T.G 12-22-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2067266)
Tough to clean is what you get on the lower end. I been wanting to buy a deli slicer for some time, but am waiting to finish my kitchen first. The one's my buddy keeps pushing on my is near 1K; but he claims is worth it...

The LEM 10" slicer is a really good unit at about half that price.
http://www.lemproducts.com/product/c...n-saws-slicers

BigAsh 12-22-2015 06:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2067266)
Tough to clean is what you get on the lower end. I been wanting to buy a deli slicer for some time, but am waiting to finish my kitchen first. The one's my buddy keeps pushing on my is near 1K; but he claims is worth it...

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2067275)
The LEM 10" slicer is a really good unit at about half that price.
http://www.lemproducts.com/product/c...n-saws-slicers

trust me I'm not doing $975 worth of cleaning! :D...if I ever see the need I'll get another unit but for the 1-2x year that I use it it more than serves its purpose which is 1)to give me a good, clean, uniform slice and 2)get back in the box 'til next time

T.G 12-22-2015 07:37 AM

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No photos but I've been using the Anova for the last few days and have been impressed with how meats turn out with this cooking process. I've never really viewed boneless skinless chicken breast as good for much other than chucking into a soup or drowning under a sauce to cover it up, until now. Was also quite impressed by how it took a thin, cheap ribeye from Safeway (generic mid-tier supermarket w/ average quality) and turned it into something quite edible, which is unusual for their meats IMO.

mosesbotbol 12-22-2015 10:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2067275)
The LEM 10" slicer is a really good unit at about half that price.
http://www.lemproducts.com/product/c...n-saws-slicers

That one looks pretty good. Do you own it?

8lug 12-22-2015 11:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 2067098)
Did a small 5lb rib roast yesterday.
First time I was really happy with the sear I got in a cast iron pan.
This time I used way more oil. Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 an inch.
A little bit more mess, but it rally helped the Maillard reaction along.
Did this a little more well to appease my wife. 134° for 4.5 hours.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...pscsoncnbd.jpg

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psmap1p7pj.jpg

I was shocked at the large chunks of fat when I cut into it.
From the outside there was no indication that there would be that much fat.
But it was really easy to just eat around it.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/a...psad15uh3j.jpg

Honestly, it was one of the best rib roasts I have made.
I let the roast wet age for close to 60 days, and it really showed in unbelievable tenderness that I have never achieved before.

Dom can you explain the wet aging process? sounds interesting.:)

T.G 12-22-2015 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2067308)
That one looks pretty good. Do you own it?

I'm waiting for it to ship, they've been back ordered for a while now.

A friend has one, I've used it, I think it's a nice slicer. It's not a Hobart, but it's also not carrying the $2500+ price tag of a Hobart.

I currently have a 7" Deni that I bought in near new condition for around $6 in a thrift store a few years ago. It works, but I'm not thrilled with it. Lots of little gripes about it that might not be an issue to anyone else but me, the big catch is that I find myself discarding the safety guard and food pusher all too often, and I fear that the next time I cut myself with it because of this, I might not be so lucky as to only need a few closure strips or sutures.

Chainsaw13 12-22-2015 01:54 PM

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I have this slicer from Cabelas - http://www.cabelas.com/product/CABEL...3893716&rid=20

Works well if you don't want to step up to the price of the LEM. Not to bad to clean and does a good job.

markem 12-22-2015 02:06 PM

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So I have a rib eye setup for dinner in the sous vide. I plan to cook the steak at 132* for about 4 hours just to see what a 4 hour bath will do.

But, I also have snow peas and carrots. From what I've read, they need to be cooked at about 184. The two recipes I have looked at call for about 45-50 minutes. I can't, of course, put the meat and veggies in the same water bath.

Suggestions? Putting the veggies in the lower temp bath and letting them go with a pan fry at the end doesn't seem to buy me much. I'd love to hear what others are doing.

No - throwing the veggies away and having more steak is not in the cards.

T.G 12-22-2015 03:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markem (Post 2067351)
So I have a rib eye setup for dinner in the sous vide. I plan to cook the steak at 132* for about 4 hours just to see what a 4 hour bath will do.

But, I also have snow peas and carrots. From what I've read, they need to be cooked at about 184. The two recipes I have looked at call for about 45-50 minutes. I can't, of course, put the meat and veggies in the same water bath.

Suggestions? Putting the veggies in the lower temp bath and letting them go with a pan fry at the end doesn't seem to buy me much. I'd love to hear what others are doing.

No - throwing the veggies away and having more steak is not in the cards.

There was something I was cooking the other day at 150F. I put some small potatoes in a separate bag and tossed those in the water also, despite the recipe Anova app calling for 190 (1 hr). I ended up leaving them in for about 2-1/2 hrs at 150 and they were almost raw when I took them out.

YMMV.

Chainsaw13 12-22-2015 04:08 PM

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Time for another Anova! :D

markem 12-22-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 2067369)
There was something I was cooking the other day at 150F. I put some small potatoes in a separate bag and tossed those in the water also, despite the recipe Anova app calling for 190 (1 hr). I ended up leaving them in for about 2-1/2 hrs at 150 and they were almost raw when I took them out.

YMMV.

that's my suspicion. Thanks for being the guinea pig, Adam!

T.G 12-22-2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by markem (Post 2067384)
that's my suspicion. Thanks for being the guinea pig, Adam!

No problemo. :tu

How thick is the ribeye steak that you are planning on cooking for 4 hours? I'm curious to hear how that one works out.


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