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T.G 10-29-2012 01:19 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1741117)
I found this review which, at least states that someone has tried them. http://www.thecigarstore.com/blog/ci...mo-del-diablo/
A review from a website that is trying to sell the cigar, yeah, that's an impartial, unbiased review alright.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1741117)
I realize this is a gimmick, but the question is - did these guys make a quality product with a gimmick, or is their gimmick the only thing they have going for them?
They also have lots of cheesy T&A photos on the Recon lifestyle page going for them.

For $12 a cigar, there are plenty of well established great cigars out there to be had that don't rely on gimmicks, no need to smoke a bowl of pectin for a lifestyle.


Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1741117)
Okay, I the nub. My name is Jon, I have some experience with Punch, Acid, Thomas, and some others I can not currently recall. I found your site when I was searching for information about these Recon cigars. I am former Navy, my friend was in the Marines and he will be visiting us for T-day weekend next month.

I joined to find out more about cigars. I am in a point in my life where I would like to sit back and actually enjoy a nice scotch and cigar. So, I may have some questions from time to time, I will do my best to put them in the appropriate thread when they do arise.
Welcome to the site.

icehog3 10-29-2012 01:56 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1741117)
Okay, I the nub. My name is Jon, I have some experience with Punch, Acid, Thomas, and some others I can not currently recall. I found your site when I was searching for information about these Recon cigars. I am former Navy, my friend was in the Marines and he will be visiting us for T-day weekend next month.
I realize this is a gimmick, but the question is - did these guys make a quality product with a gimmick, or is their gimmick the only thing they have going for them?
I found this review which, at least states that someone has tried them. http://www.thecarstore.com/blog/ciga...mo-del-diablo/

I joined to find out more about cigars. I am in a point in my life where I would like to sit back and actually enjoy a nice scotch and cigar. So, I may have some questions from time to time, I will do my best to put them in the appropriate thread when they do arise.

Thank you,
-Jon
Welcome to the site, Jon. I find it interesting that your first post, searching for Recon cigars, includes a link to a glowing review....just call it my "suspicious nature". I am sure your participation in the coming days will dispell my skeptical side.

dubleuhb 10-29-2012 02:02 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Bowl of pectin...:eek:


:noon

357 10-29-2012 02:03 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Either these cigars have an amazing cult following of people who love to make single posts on cigar forums (singing their praises) or...

pnoon 10-29-2012 04:53 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 357 (Post 1741155)
Either these cigars have an amazing cult following of people who love to make single posts on cigar forums (singing their praises) or...
And the shills keep coming.
:rolleyes:

Ranger_B 10-29-2012 09:21 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
So I still have not found someone who has smoked one but I decided to write the company asking about their tobacco and the product here is what I got back:

"Thank you for your interest in the Triumphant Recon Cigar. Whether you are a consumer or retailer, we will be happy to share information and educate you on the virtues of our unique brand. Please see attached letter from our COO. We look forward to serving you.


Customer Care
www.ReconCigars.com"

And this is the flyer

"October 23. 2012
Attn: Frank Brennan
Dear Frank,
I am very happy to introduce you to the Triumphant Recon Cigar.
The Recon is a Nicaraguan born 6.5 x 54 Toro, medium-bodied hand rolled cigar. The wrapper is
Ecuadorian Light-Habano, the fillers are five year aged Nicaraguan long-fillers from three different
regions of Nicaragua: Esteli, Condega and Jalapa. Our binder is Indonesian.
Lastly, and what is the most artisanal craftsmanship of our production; we hand cut (in very
specific shapes) and hand place, pieces of Candela, Maduro, Connecticut Shade and Dark
Maduro wrapper leaves to complete the acclaimed ‘Camo’ look. This is a ‘Woodland Camo’ to be
specific. We have a reverse Woodland (a full-bodied Recon) in development as well as a desert
Camo and various sizes in the works. As for the Recon’s flavor profile, it is creamy, aromatic with
nuances of cedar and citrus. This cigar, although not full bodied, packs a lot of flavor.
Packaging: The Recon comes in a replica ammunitions case that holds 20 sticks. It measures 23
!” x 12 "” x 3”.
We have created a highly unique cigar whose aesthetics in no way affect the burn or flavor notes.
It is truly something to marvel and enjoy form beginning to end. We have engineered a cigar that
delivers on the promise.
Our master tobacconists are the Puentes brothers (Gonzalo and Daniel); third generation Cuban
cigar masters now residing in Esteli and creating some of the most disruptive blends for Humo
Del Diablo, LLC (Recon Cigars’ parent company). They bring a long legacy of tobacco growth
(Gonzalo is an agricultural engineer) and cigar production to and industry where commonplace is
everyday practice. We could not be more pleased to be teamed up fellow innovators.
We are very excited about the opportunity to present you with our cigars. We look forward to your
thoughts and experience. Thank you kindly.
Best regards,
J. Giovanni Baquerizo
Co-Founder/ COO
Humo Del Diablo, LLC"


I can say that they do appear to be honest about wanting to help soldiers and marines with a portion of the profit going to service charities. But a company launching a very gimmicky smoke at a Super premium price I think is not the smartest business model. Mind you a few gun guys or gear guys from SHOT show and AUSA and other shows have said they like the smoke but these are not the smokes we find here enjoying the large variety of premium cigars.

T.G 10-29-2012 09:47 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger_B (Post 1741425)
So I still have not found someone who has smoked one but I decided to write the company asking about their tobacco and the product here is what I got back:

"Thank you for your interest in the Triumphant Recon Cigar. Whether you are a consumer or retailer, we will be happy to share information and educate you on the virtues of our unique brand. Please see attached letter from our COO. We look forward to serving you.


Customer Care
www.ReconCigars.com"

And this is the flyer

"October 23. 2012
Attn: Frank Brennan
Dear Frank,
I am very happy to introduce you to the Triumphant Recon Cigar.
The Recon is a Nicaraguan born 6.5 x 54 Toro, medium-bodied hand rolled cigar. The wrapper is
Ecuadorian Light-Habano, the fillers are five year aged Nicaraguan long-fillers from three different
regions of Nicaragua: Esteli, Condega and Jalapa. Our binder is Indonesian.
Lastly, and what is the most artisanal craftsmanship of our production; we hand cut (in very
specific shapes) and hand place, pieces of Candela, Maduro, Connecticut Shade and Dark
Maduro wrapper leaves to complete the acclaimed ‘Camo’ look. This is a ‘Woodland Camo’ to be
specific. We have a reverse Woodland (a full-bodied Recon) in development as well as a desert
Camo and various sizes in the works. As for the Recon’s flavor profile, it is creamy, aromatic with
nuances of cedar and citrus. This cigar, although not full bodied, packs a lot of flavor.
Packaging: The Recon comes in a replica ammunitions case that holds 20 sticks. It measures 23
!” x 12 "” x 3”.
We have created a highly unique cigar whose aesthetics in no way affect the burn or flavor notes.
It is truly something to marvel and enjoy form beginning to end. We have engineered a cigar that
delivers on the promise.
Our master tobacconists are the Puentes brothers (Gonzalo and Daniel); third generation Cuban
cigar masters now residing in Esteli and creating some of the most disruptive blends for Humo
Del Diablo, LLC (Recon Cigars’ parent company). They bring a long legacy of tobacco growth
(Gonzalo is an agricultural engineer) and cigar production to and industry where commonplace is
everyday practice. We could not be more pleased to be teamed up fellow innovators.
We are very excited about the opportunity to present you with our cigars. We look forward to your
thoughts and experience. Thank you kindly.
Best regards,
J. Giovanni Baquerizo
Co-Founder/ COO
Humo Del Diablo, LLC"


I can say that they do appear to be honest about wanting to help soldiers and marines with a portion of the profit going to service charities. But a company launching a very gimmicky smoke at a Super premium price I think is not the smartest business model. Mind you a few gun guys or gear guys from SHOT show and AUSA and other shows have said they like the smoke but these are not the smokes we find here enjoying the large variety of premium cigars.
Based on what, Frank? I see nothing in that letter that indicates any donation, let alone a specific percentage. All I see is a bunch of standard marketing BS about the cigar.

PS: I have heard the Puentes family name before, I just can't remember where.

icehog3 10-29-2012 11:03 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Some of that letter could be straight out of a Thompson's catalogue. :2

CigarNut 10-30-2012 08:09 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
bishes

xFreebirdx 10-30-2012 08:25 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
I don't know......looking at the images they have in their header on their home page.
The cigars look like the wrapper is peeling/loose and cracked in a couple pictures.
You'd think they would of caught that. I hope its not because those were the best cigars to use for pictures........
Looks like it could of been a cool concept if things were done right. I just don't get the feeling that things were done right........

Ranger_B 10-30-2012 10:56 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1741429)
Based on what, Frank? I see nothing in that letter that indicates any donation, let alone a specific percentage. All I see is a bunch of standard marketing BS about the cigar.

PS: I have heard the Puentes family name before, I just can't remember where.
Sorry the donation information came from a discussion with a representative at a WWP event. They are partnered with hope for warriors and if you want to go to recons website there is a button on the bottom of the page that brings up the info on their partnership. Or you can look here http://www.hopeforthewarriors.org/ca...41227/partners and see they are a corporate partner. I have no dog in this fight and I have not and will likely not purchase one of these smokes but I am curious to see if any consistent cigar smoker has tried one and what their honest opinion was.

pnoon 10-30-2012 11:29 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger_B (Post 1741648)
Sorry the donation information came from a discussion with a representative at a WWP event. They are partnered with hope for warriors and if you want to go to recons website there is a button on the bottom of the page that brings up the info on their partnership. Or you can look here http://www.hopeforthewarriors.org/ca...41227/partners and see they are a corporate partner. I have no dog in this fight and I have not and will likely not purchase one of these smokes but I am curious to see if any consistent cigar smoker has tried one and what their honest opinion was.
I have not gone beyond the main page of their website. I find it hard to take them seriously. I like pretty/sexy women as much as the next guy but that site is absurd.

When any retailer/vendor of any product mentions "a portion of the proceeds" that could mean 50%. Or it could mean 0.00001% and still be accurate.

T.G 10-30-2012 12:16 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger_B (Post 1741648)
Sorry the donation information came from a discussion with a representative at a WWP event. They are partnered with hope for warriors and if you want to go to recons website there is a button on the bottom of the page that brings up the info on their partnership. Or you can look here http://www.hopeforthewarriors.org/ca...41227/partners and see they are a corporate partner. I have no dog in this fight and I have not and will likely not purchase one of these smokes but I am curious to see if any consistent cigar smoker has tried one and what their honest opinion was.

Save the three shills (and counting) whom have graced us with their presence, I don't believe that any of us have a dog in this fight.

While their status as a contributor to the charity was established some time ago, I couldn't see where you got their contribution status based on that particular letter, thanks for clearing that up. What I question, and have been questioning in these regards since the beginning of this thread, is what that amount or percentage is, as any amount, no matter how trivial, grants one the right to make the claim of contribution. Furthermore, from a personal standpoint, I find the waving around of this claim of contribution to be reprehensible as donating to charity shouldn't be about giving yourself bragging rights.

As for the selling of a gimmick, that doesn't bother me, but don't act like it's not a gimmick. Such behavior makes me seriously question the product.

I do wish them success with their business, but it won't be my wallet that contributes to it.

CigarNut 10-30-2012 12:34 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1741676)
...I find the waving around of this claim of contribution to be reprehensible as donating to charity shouldn't be about giving yourself bragging rights...
Well said Adam! I could not agree more.

Ranger_B 10-31-2012 07:52 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 1741681)
Well said Adam! I could not agree more.
This is where I fall on the issue as well. Dont get me wrong when I hear a company is helping Vets I will be more likely to spend my money there; they have to have a product I want in the first place.

pnoon 11-01-2012 06:44 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1741117)
Okay, I the nub. My name is Jon, I have some experience with Punch, Acid, Thomas, and some others I can not currently recall. I found your site when I was searching for information about these Recon cigars. I am former Navy, my friend was in the Marines and he will be visiting us for T-day weekend next month.
I realize this is a gimmick, but the question is - did these guys make a quality product with a gimmick, or is their gimmick the only thing they have going for them?
I found this review which, at least states that someone has tried them. http://www.thecigarstore.com/blog/ci...mo-del-diablo/

I joined to find out more about cigars. I am in a point in my life where I would like to sit back and actually enjoy a nice scotch and cigar. So, I may have some questions from time to time, I will do my best to put them in the appropriate thread when they do arise.

Thank you,
-Jon
Quote:
Originally Posted by innovator (Post 1737066)
Neither. I'm just as qualified as you are. Just scouring for info I came across this forum and the few comments made. Just giving props where they are due. I dislike reading negativity especially when these folks are trying to do something positive. It's easy to hide behind the vail of the web and sling dirt. Even when unprovoked. Let see you try to come up with a cool, creative idea that appeals to people and puts a smile on their faces. Its easy to go in the other direction isn't it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1737073)
We have no idea of your qualifications. And you certainly have no idea of Adam's (T.G).

This is not about Recon cigars. This is about the PERCEPTION of someone joining the forum heaping glowing praise on a line of cigars in a thread that was over two months old. Your posts here are consistent with the many shills that have come before you. You may or may not be a shill but your posting behavior sure indicates you are.

Consider the suggestion to join the community and participate. Lots of friendly and knowledgable people here.
<crickets> :rolleyes:

CigarNut 11-01-2012 08:06 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 1742746)
<crickets> :rolleyes:
Shhhh.... Let's not disturb them :D

MadMac 02-02-2013 11:49 PM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Okay, I'm not going to make any excuses about why I didn't get back until now, but I will let you know that I have given up on these things without even trying them.
I am still interested in learning more about different cigars, but I'll probably just do it the old fashioned way - trial & error, while smoking with a good friend. Thank you anyhow.

dwoodward 02-03-2013 12:17 AM
Re: Recon Cigars Anyone know about these?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMac (Post 1790566)
Okay, I'm not going to make any excuses about why I didn't get back until now, but I will let you know that I have given up on these things without even trying them.
I am still interested in learning more about different cigars, but I'll probably just do it the old fashioned way - trial & error, while smoking with a good friend. Thank you anyhow.
You could always make a post in our introductory forum and then check out the NST (Newbie Sampler Trade)... It should help you on your way to finding what you like. :tu


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