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I am going to be watching the NFL this year more than I have in the last few years. It is an exciting time to be a Redskins fan!

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I understand why you're pissed off; you've just watched your team get eviscerated for doing what you're convinced everybody else is doing. I think that ANYONE that participates in, what amounts to, conspiracy to commit mayhem should be prosecuted. The Law, and a person's Rights do not stop at the sidelines. Targeting a person for injury is a crime, whether on the field or on the street.

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I want to stay out of this as much as possible now that it is clear I am of the major minority opinion, (?) ,
but the wording of this above is difficult for me to parse. I think what you are actually SEEING every Sunday,
from EVERY team is a defense that is purposely trying to hit an opponent so hard that he stays on the
sidelines....a bounty merely pays EXTRA for it. Trying to end a career is certainly a messed up aim
that all players will tell you in public is NOT what they want. But fans are naive if they think that these
guys are not trying to get the first string out of the game as soon as possible, it simply makes it easier
to win games and I would bet they are encouraged to do it 5 days a week.

However at the same time I also think that if you have not played pro football, you don't have a CLUE what
they think or what actually goes on inside a pro locker room/meeting room. So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think.

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I would also like to answer in one fell swoop, everyone who has basically characterized me
as having a hissy fit over this judgement. Some have even tried to do it gently as if it
changes what they are implying. I am boycotting the NFL in 2012. Nowhere in any of my
posts have I encouraged others to join my cause or share my opinion. Nowhere in any of
my posts have I ever inferred that I think I am going to hurt the NFL by boycotting it.
Nowhere in any of my posts have I inferred that I feel I am going to incur some kind of
personal, emotional loss by missing games. Like I said early on, when I thought the NBA was
becoming basically pro wrestling with a ball, and that they were marketing themselves like they
wanted thugs and gang-bangers for their audience, it was clear to me that they did not want me
as a fan I left them behind and never gave them a second look. If I do this to the NFL too, it will
be because I felt they came down too hard on my team. And lastly, if people then say "Well then
what's the point of your post if you don't care who knows, who cares about or who is hurt by your
boycott?" And I say to that, have you READ some of the posts we get here?? There is one that
basically asks people to tell us all what the most expensive thing they ever bought was.

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There is a difference between playing a clean game and getting a nice hit on the person with the ball and going out on the field with a particular person targeted that you are trying to physically hurt just because. And then we can throw in that the coach is paying the player to target another player to inflict physical injury just to take him out of the game.

You seem to fail to see the difference between the two and it makes you feel better to say that everyone is doing it.

No, not everyone is doing it.

There are still some class acts out there that get good clean hits and just play the game.

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Your opinions of the aims of players is speculation too, Brad. So not only do I/we not have a clue, but, no offense, neither do you! It's ALL speculation!

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I got the first draft pick in our Fantasy Baseball league that I'm running. I've never got first draft pick in anything, ever. Yahoo must love me this year. Miguel Cabrera, yeah!!! :tu

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I congratulate and adore you, My Friend! :D

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Some pretty strong opinions here. I'll voice mine now, too. There's a few issues here. Had the Saints stopped when they were told to, this would be a non issue. They were told to stop, and they didn't, then there was the lie and coverup. Additionally, there is all of the evidence that the league had against them. Whatever the documentation of the program is (e-mails, etc.), too. There's obviously no precedent for a team doing anything like this and being punished, so that's one of the big problems. IMO, they were slapped on the wrist a couple times, already, when the league told them to knock the $hit off. They kept doing it, showing a lack of respect for the league and their authority. What else were they to do? They had to mete out a punishment severe enough to let the team (and the rest of the league) that they mean what they say, and if you don't follow the rules, you're going to pay a hefty price. Was it too steep? Obviously to you, it was. Were it to happen to the Vikings, I'd say flat out fire the coach and GM, and let them deal with the suspension when they're out of work, or when (if anyone would hire them again) someone else decides to hire them. They knew the rules, and were reminded of them, but still went around it. IMO, it's much like the "lack of institutional control" charge that college programs deal with when an assistant and/or coach is violating rules, and the AD gets their hand slapped with that.

Now, did they end anyone's career? I don't know, honestly, but there was the intent to injure opposing players. I played enough football to know the brutality of it. At the same time, you weren't out there trying to cause an injury that could potentially end someone's playing days/career. With the knowledge of what concussions have done to some former players (Al Toon and Merril Hoge come to mind right away), going after someone's head in this day and age is beyond not cool. A coach who condones that, and a player who does that, too, is not someone I'd want to play for or with. The fact that Williams didn't care if they hit someone after the whistle (which I believe the tape that I've heard states) implies a disregard for clean play. Play to the whistle, and help your opponent up, not beyond it.

As for just knocking a player out for the game goes...well, that one has been debated a lot. Yes, these athletes have a lot better body control than your average Joe, but at the same time, there aren't many physics majors out there who know just the level of force to apply to cause a "minor" injury vs a "major" one.

I think the NFL's hands were tied a bit in regards to the punishment they handed out. They are being sued for not doing enough to protect the players' safety, especially in regards to concussions. Handing out a punishment like that says that they're serious about it, and want to protect the players.

It serves multiple purposes here, to show they want to protect players, and to serve notice to anyone else who thinks they can get around the rules that if they are caught, they will be punished severely.

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This is what sports is all about!!!


Even a Skins fan can work himself into such a frenzy as to be excited about football! This stuff is better'n drugs.





February through August is always the best time to be a Redskins fan.

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Aint that the truth

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Yep, that's why I specifically stated this "So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think."

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Yep, that's why I specifically stated this "So speculation about their aims
based on what they say to the media is useless, I think."

What's more, I think Roger Goodell killed Trayvon Martin....This Zimmerman guy is just a patsy.

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lmao!

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you took cabrera over fielder or votto??????!!!!!!

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Cabrera will probably be close to Prince in HRs, best him in triples, and hit for a much better average.

Who is this Votto you speak of? :r

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True, but THIS year will be different, haha Hahahah Bahahahahahahahaha :D

Oh and I got the best player in baseball with the overall #2 pick this year! KEMP! (A bit bias, but the numbers don't lie)

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OLS - I believe I understand your statement and I agree with you. You are not looking for a pity party or to have us join forces with you. Thankfully you live in a country where you can voice your opinion and this Forum has always been a place where we respect each other's opinions.

Unfortunately, as they are dealing with billions of dollars of annual revenues and pending lawsuits, hypocrisy raised its head for the good of the majority. As mentioned above, if the hammer didn't drop it would have been a boon for existing litigation.

Again, I agree with you up to the Martin reference, IMHO it is too soon for that joke.
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Cam is a BEAST! Gotta love a QB with that swag. Go Panthers!

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You're going to Hell for that, Tom.:r

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Brad, I enjoy your posts and your presence here, so I'm going to be honest here, no offense intended.
I think this thread that you have created have been similar to a few threads that I have created here, especially in the sports section. In the past, I have made a judgement and a decision and I posted it here looking for acceptance, yet there was no acceptance by the members here at CA. I still firmly stand behind my thoughts, opinions, and decisions, even if the majority here say I am wrong. I don't think that you created this thread for the sole purpose of looking for acceptance in your decision, but deep down, maybe even subconsciously, you created this thread looking for someone to back you and agree with you. It didn't happen, and it's ok. You made a decision, you can back it and at the end of the day, you can still live with yourself and accept it. That's a good thing. I may not agree with you entirely on this subject, although I do see where you're coming from, and I respect your decision.
I may be way off base here, but this thread reminds me of a few that I have started over the years. No harm, no foul either way. At the end of the day, we here are ALL friends and BOTls, and whether or not everyone agrees with you or not, we still can respect your decision.:tu

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Among other things. :lr

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I'm right there with ya.

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I respect your opinion starscream, but no, I really just put it up there to let people know that I was pissed off about the
penalty, and for my own sake, that was the last straw. And I LOVE the Saints. Hard to imagine doing something that
counter-intuitive. Why miss football to protest a penalty against your team. I fully understand all the opinions
where people say this is a REAL problem in the league and they were warned twice and they did it anyway. Do Raiders
fans resent people thinking their team plays dirty? Do Eagles fans resent that people consider them the worst fans
in the league? It's all relative. I agree that you have to protect the pumpkins of these players WHO CHOOSE to play a
dangerous game and they do it for the money. It's all relative. I am not anti-fair play. I am anti bullying by the league
office. RIGHT OR WRONG, I resent their actions and I intend to protest.

Why I chose to make a thread on it is simple, I was frustrated by the severity of the penalty and I am a member
in good standing. I COULD do it so I DID IT. I am not looking for sympathy for me or my team.
The league can kiss my entire A$$.

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Fair enough, Brad.:tu

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Well, ESPN made sure that a lot of people will be boycotting MNF this upcoming season. Holy crap, that might be the worst MNF schedule ever. The good thing is at least I won't be dragging ass into work on Tuesday morning.:D

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Kanye West says the NFL hates black people.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-den...0948--nfl.html

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The punishment was appropriate because the crime was aimed straight at the pockets of the other owners. Put yourself in the shoes of an owner who just signed Aaron Rodgers to a multiyear deal that includes $35 million in guaranteed money. Now another team gives a linebacker a bonus of a few 10s of thousands of dollars to injure Rodgers and his career is over. Not only are you out the $35 million but your team just went from perennial playoff contender to also-ran. Ticket sales, sponsorship deals, merchandising right in the toilet.

The Saints bounty program was a serious threat to the profitablility of every team in the league and they're lucky the penalty was no worse.

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I'll be watching one of the games. :D

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So they reinstated the players, Brad, is the boycott over?