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I consider smoking cigars akin to smoking a pipe - in this regard - you will find flavors in both that are similar, and then flavors in both that are vastly different. The subtleties of Virginia tobaccos are mild, and require more concentration and palate acclimatization to really appreciate than Aromatics, English, or Oriental tobaccos.

The same is true of CCs versus most NCs, especially the Nicaraugan sticks. Most NCs have their flavors boldly present right from the beginning, though some nuances can be noted to ephemerally appear in the background.

On the other hand, while CCs have some bold flavors, they are more subdued. And to get the most out of them, you need to focus on the flavors and aromas that are more subtle.

As someone else said, sometime those flavors are noted more in nose than in the mouth.

I like both, at different times.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

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Yes I do!

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I'd also like to make the comment that I started smoking cigars with the General Cigar H.Upmann 2000 and the H. Upmann "Churchill"
which was a corona gorda, lol. I smoked them for years, and when they switched away from Cameroon wrappers, then I found Arturo
Fuente, smoked those for a few years, then found Padrons, smoked those for MANY years, and then got into ordering havanas WAY later
than most of my brothers, and after that I never looked back. You could therefore say that I have forgotten more about NCs than
some people know. I was a serious student of all things cigar, reading everything I could get my hands on. I act like a know-it-all
today because I feel like I DO know it all. Of course, I DON'T, far from it. But I FEEL like I do. Certainly enough to know what I like. ;)
And of course, I abandoned the NC so long ago that I have NO IDEA of the things that are going on now, outside of the cursory
knowledge I get by loosely following the forum for those smokes here. So I now know what's hot, I just don't know why, lol.

And Bao, don't tell me what your opinion is, I KNOW, hahahaha.

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You know nothing sir! Whatever people say about me is false...Don't listen to Pnoon or the Hog...they love to make up rumors about me. :D

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Who are you???:sh

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Tom and Peter both told me that you were an above average looking heterosexual male.

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see!!! they lied!!!

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Only the cool kids smoke cc's
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We can hang out anytime as I am almost 100% the same. Save the ABs though.

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i will forgive your hasty judgement of me if you let me explain mine.

i was speaking of random people i meet at work ( i work in a restaurant)that claim to know things about cigars. when i begin to ask them about what brands they like they say they "only smoke Cubans"
this phrase was in quotes because it seemed obvious to me that they are saying that because they are are lying to me because they are fore some reason looking to impress me. so when i press further and they cannot name a single line, source, brand, etc i know they are full of it.

of course i do not speak of people that tend to post in forums such as this because the people that post in forums like this tend to know more about cigars than the average guy that enjoys cigars and many of the forum member either know more than the guy that owns the local B&M or they ARE the guy that owns the local B&M.

i am sorry if i inadvertently insulted people that actually know what they are doing. i was not speaking of you. i should watch my wording.

you are not sorry to insult. if you were you would not do so. but i accept your apology none-the-less. you are just defending your community and i respect that. i would do the same if the rolls were reversed.

I do not feel the need to justify how much i do or do not know about cigars. you can feel free to investigate that yourself if you want. or not. whatever. i use the same handle on the cigar.com forum this forum and BOTL.org. if you want you can read my blog that is in my signature line. if not, fine. im not here to impress you. i am not here to insult you either.

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I have no experiance with CC's. Does this mean they are less on the strong side?

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I would say a full bodied CC is maybe a medium to medium full bodied NC. As far as I know there are no FFP/Pork Tenderloin/Liga Privada FULL FULL bodied CC's. I could be wrong and If I am there are VERY few.

In general strength is not something CC's go for. Flavor however is.

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Interesting....

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I smoke cc's and the occasional nc for a change of pace. To each, his own. I've never been a big fan of the power bombs of most nc's however, I do enjoy them once in awhile.

I think the important thing is not to judge what others enjoy. You can share your opinion if you like the cigar or not as different strokes for different folks however, using a broad brush to say generalities is dangerous and disrespectful.

Even within cc's, there are preferences. There are marcas that I enjoy. Others not so much. At the end of the day, it's about the experience, in terms of the cigar(s) smoked and those who you enjoyed it with.

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Whenever you find yourself annoyed that others don't like the same cigars you do, consider this: if everyone liked your favorite cigars, they'd be exceedingly hard to find and prohibitively expensive.

So...vive la difference!

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To a certain extent... but then again, Habanos has recently discontinued the last of the ninfas, panatela largas and several other long and skinny vitolas to make room for more limited edition toros and petit robustos because that's what's selling, :td so sometimes there's safety in numbers.

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Don't remind me. I'm not a fan of the direction habanos SA is headed. Such a shame, if you ask me.
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It bugs me that some people in this topic talk about nc's all being full bodied. That is not the case, there are shitloads of mild and medium nc's too

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Ya gotta admit though most of the really hyped ones are pretty full, LP and Viaje for instance.

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Fair enough, I am glad you made another post, and appreciate that you see I was looking out for my community. Hope we can start an neutral ground and go onward and upward from here.

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I prefer cigars that taste amazing, regardless of origin. Several NC's are produced using Cuban seed anyway......but if pressed, CC's all the way! I wonder how this discussion would lean if the former USSR didn't want to park nuclear warheads 100 miles from the United States, and CC's were readily available and priced like NC's!

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I think it's because to CC smokers, the vast majority of NC mild and medium smokes simply don't hold a candle to CCs in terms of complexity and range of flavors. There is NO NC that comes anywhere near the delicate but complex taste and smoking experiece of say, a La Gloria Cubana Medaille D' Or No. 1 or 3. Maybe the OR El Triumphador Lancero comes close in terms of quality of flavors and that light sweetness, but IMO, it is still far from as complex as the any of the best CC lanceros. The only NC cigars that offer me something unique and satifying that I can't find done better and with more complexity and range of flavor somewhere in the Habanos portfolio are the big, peppery Nic flavor bombs like the LE Tats, Pepin line and the Padron Anniversary series. I've had some VR farm rolls that come close to these in flavor and body, but still weren't quite as in your face and chewy. If I feel like a Padron then I feel like a Padron, but if I want something light, then NCs are dead to me.
This is my personal experience, so please don't think I'm saying you're wrong. You're an experienced smoker and I'm sure there are some mild and medium NCs that you love, and for good reason. If you list a couple I might even check them out. I'm simply explaining the thought process behind my (and presumably the other CC smokers) bias, and why we act like there is nothing in the NC world in terms of mild/medium smokes. It's because to many of us, the only NCs worth smoking are the full bodied ones. :2

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The only things I find consistent in life are my family and beliefs - the rest change. I used to like Titleist ProV1s, now I love Maxflis. A couple of years ago I loved dark roast beans, now I'm drinking blond roast more often than not. I once hated hoppy beers, now I love them. How boring would life be if we settled in ruts and did the same thing all the time. I smoked hundreds of 5 Vegas As years ago, they were my go-tos. I haven't had any in a long and it doesn't bother me in the least. Tastes change. What I like now may be nowhere close to what I like in a year or two (except I'll always love a delicious LGC!).

YMMV

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The only full-bodied, full strength cc I've ever had is a big Por Larranaga hogleg that Klugs asked me to try at the last Shack. I think that's what it was, if I remember correctly. I asked him twice and he told me what it was, exactly, and I forget again. :)
I was thinking it was an old Belicosos Finos, but it's not. at any rate, it was INCREDIBLY good.

I also think you hit the nail on the head, Bill. I can't imagine any reason that there can't be full-bodied, strong cc's. The money is in what they're doing. I would guess that the trend toward larger rings will also begin a trend toward fuller body/strength. Probably in LE's, that'd be a good place to do it.

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Most of the NCs I prefer tend to be pretty strong, which is fine I just like to be able to smoke without planning my meals out. I think I have a low Nic tollerance. I have not found many NCs that are mild-medium strength that I have been able to really enjoy.

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But there are thousands of NC's, there is a whole world out there besides the hyped ones.

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If that is the case and it simply comes down to what a person likes, why do CC's get so much special treatment on forum boards by getting their own section for every marca and multiple other areas dedicated directly to Cuban blends?

I don't see that preferential treatment for say, Nicaraguan cigars.

:2

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The "why doesn't every NC have a subforum/review area" question has been answered many times. The shear volume (and more new ones daily) makes it nearly impossible. Other than the existence of a habanos forum and marca specific review areas, I have no idea what you mean by preferential.

Where are these "multiple other areas" of which you speak?

The ToE built the board that they wanted and do listen to inmate input. If the board isn't what you want, VBulletin.org is the place to go to see how cheap and easy it is to set one up yourself.

Build it and people who want your environment will come. If it gets lonely, don't complain to me.

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I fail to see the tie-in between your question and the comment, and my first thought was "what's the difference?", but you may want to consider that this board, as well as many others, are privately owned, run and paid for.
Point being, the powers that be may prefer it that way. Considering neither of us have a dime in it, that brings us right back around to "what's the difference?"
Another way to look at it relates to Ferdie's comment earlier. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of non-cuban marcas. Where would one fit a category for each? Who would remove, manage, change things as one marca after another is abandoned because it's stopped selling?
There's not a new cc created every week, and it stands to reason that one could break down the reviews, for instance, such as they are here. I can't speak to how other boards are broken down, I don't visit them.

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1. The interests of the people who initially designed the website, they wanted it and so they made it. That simple.
2. The fact that there are small, finite set of marcas that has hardly changed in the last 10 years, and as such can easily be given that kind of detailed treatment. I dare you to try to organize every Marca on the NC side that's existed in the last ten years.

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I've read nothing but good reviews of Partagas Shorts...Thinking of buying a box as my first Cubans

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I'm a fan of the Party Short, and it's a good transition from bolder nicaraguans to cubans. They're too small for me, generally speaking, since if I have time to smoke, I want to really enjoy it for a while. But when you don't have the time or want something quick, Party Shorts are fantastic.

Boli PCs are another great option, and the SCdlH El Principe is one of the best little smokes out there right now.

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Wow, Really Mark? That's how you read what I said? All I was implying was the fact that cubans definately get preferential treatment on ALL boards, and those who tend to play coy and say things like "smoke what you like, like what you smoke. Doesn't matter what the others say, matters what you like."
while being one of the biggest cc whores most Asylum members know is pretty weak. Give the man an actual answer, he is only seeking help.

As for me asking "If that is the case and it simply comes down to what a person likes, why do CC's get so much special treatment on forum boards by getting their own section for every marca and multiple other areas dedicated directly to Cuban blends?", where did I ever ask for others to get the same?

I was only noting that the site in fact DOES give the preference to CC's and not NC's. I would also appreciate it if you would please me where I asked "why doesn't every NC have a subforum/review area". That wasn't what my question asked at all.

And saying "If the board isn't what you want, VBulletin.org is the place to go to see how cheap and easy it is to set one up yourself.

Build it and people who want your environment will come. If it gets lonely, don't complain to me" makes you look like an elitest. When did I say this board isn't what I want? And who put you in charge of telling people to leave and go elsewhere?

Is this what the mods around here expect out of their senior members? If so, then you probably are right. I should go find somewhere else.


However, even if I leave, the fact will remain. CC's will continue to get the earned respect they get on these types of websites that the NC's do not get. That is the status quo.

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Again, I didn't request that they do. I just am bringing up the fact that there is preferential treatment on ALL CIGAR FORUMS, not just CA.

First and foremost everyone needs to take a step back and remember this is just a cigar board. Let's not make it personal.

For anyone who cares, it is my opinon that this board and countless others stratify CCs and not NCs solely based on what Clayton has succicntly stated below.
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In the words of Jules Winfield, "Everybody chill". :)

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That's cute :rolleyes:

My favorite is "Pigs is dirty animals".

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Just had a Partagas "Chino"

I really like them when I don't have time for a full cigar. Hope you enjoy your purchase!

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Angel on one shoulder: "Don't do it..."

Devil on the other shoulder: "Do it!!!"

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Do it.

Just do it.




Seriously... do it.

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There is no actual answer to the question CC or NC. Taste is subjective and what you smoke is merely a preference. Even if someone "is the biggest CC whore" that doesn't mean they are for everyone and he should tell everyone to smoke CC's because he does.

There are many members here given the choice they would gladly never smoke another CC again and continue to horde and smoke massive amounts of NC's.

I think you are also forgetting that the topic poster smoked 10 or so CC's and they did nothing for him. I won't speak for Mark but to me his post translates to "if you smoked CC's and they aren't your cup of tea maybe they aren't for you. Just smoke what you already enjoy".

:2

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Say 'what' again. I dare you. I double dare you motherf%ck%r, say what one more Goddamn time!

But seriously,giving CCs their own section only shows that there are a lot of people on the board that want the section and that many users perceive it as added value to a forum. It is not an indication that the board is biased or prejudiced against NCs. That would be the case if there were NO section on NCs, or if the ToE made an announcement that NC smokers are douchebags and not welcome on the board. So far in this thread, I have only seen insults being thrown in one direction. Pound for pound, there is far more discussion on NC brands on this site, so I don't see how giving habanos smokers a enclave to discuss CCs is in any way preferential, or why it would cause people to get a chip on their shoulder:sh

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:sl

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CC's FTMFW and I never smoked a cigar in my life!(J/K) Even though my taste pallet is more suited towards the flavors CC's and Nicaraguans produce, I am in no way influenced by what or where a cigar is made or the legal status of them. =D

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I run a Dutch cigar board, we have the NC section split up in Dominican, Honduran, Nicaraguan and Others, but cigars with tobacco from different countries can cause discussion. We recently had the same question and it is hard to divide NC's by country. What makes a cigar a Nicaraguan cigar? If the majority of the tobacco used is Nicaraguan but the cigar is made in Honduras, is it a Honduran cigar or a Nicaraguan cigar?

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How come when Pet Johnson takes a dump, everyone in the webz says he did it wrong? And have you ever been to Nicaragua? :sh

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fixed

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EXCEPT as a part of plan to stock all three in great numbers, I would pass on the Short altogether and
stock the Bolivar PC and the El Principes....two PHENOMENAL smokes of great consistency, especially the Bolivar.

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I try not to talk about my Pet Johnson.