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As a Packers fan, I approve of this message. I want Luck nowhere near the NFC North.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Good luck tomorrow fellas. I have a feeling the Redskins will look impressive for a change! Sorry.

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Driver is the only receiver long in the tooth. Every other receiver has plenty of tread left on the tires.
Everyone, save Finley, is signed for at least the next two seasons.;s

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It looks like the Redskins D is trying to take away the Vikings #1 pick. Losing the game: so easy a caveman can do it!

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What does your dad do?

Edward was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came out, Fireman, Policeman, Salesman, Carpenter, Dairy Farmer, etc.

But Edward was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.

'My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he'll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him.'

The teacher quickly gave the other children some work and took little Edward aside to ask him if that was really true.

'No' said Edward, 'He plays football for the Vikings, but I was just too embarrassed to say it in front of the class.'

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Man, if you're going make an offensive joke about our favorite team, at least make it funny.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

It is just plain obvious that the Vikings offense works better with Joe Webb under center.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

I've been saying that for 3 weeks now. And I'm not fond of the Vikings. :D

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Jus to put things in perspective, you got beat by the back up to the back up quarterback, the back up running back, no receiving corps outside of Harvin, and the weakest secondary in the league. Next time, talk smack after the game is done. :gary

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Keep in mind thought that it's Webbs second season with a training camp and starter experience under his belt. Ponder hasn't had a training camp and was put in half way through the season. I think Ponder is the better long term QB but both have the potential to do well in the league.

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btw, I'm a diehard Viking fan. Never missed a game on TV since I moved away from MN 11 years ago. Flew to San Diego for the opener this year, Boston last year and a bunch of other road games other years. Nothing good happening this year so better to get a laugh at myself at least!?! :(

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Well, dang. This ruined one of only three chances this year to talk trash. Thought you were a redskins fan from your earlier post.:sh

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Actually this week showed we can't do anything right this year... the players played tough showing they won't give up, then Peterson goes down with a bad knee injury, Ponder gets hurt and we still win the game blowing our chance at the top pick!?! :(

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Ugh. Peterson will have surgery next week, and the Vikings trainer says he could be ready by early next season. We ruin our draft pick options, lose Peterson, Ponder gets concussed, what next? Maybe Webb can beat the Bears this year...

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It was starting to look like the vikes were going to give up another draft position but they've allowed CHI to come back. We should be solidly in the third place position for the draft.

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How can we not seriously look at Webb as a possible starting QB? This kid is just good.

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Allen got the franchise record! The way it's going he should have the league record too.

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I agree that Webb is looking pretty good. he may end up being the QB next season if Ponder has a bad camp this summer.

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Well, I guess if you can't win games...you can at least hang your head on that.

Hell, the Vikings couldn't do well enough to make the playoffs, they were even so poor they fudged up the first pick in the draft, guess they have no Luck! Ha, that was punny!

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Gotta say Webb is tough to bring down...kid is strong as an ox. His arm? We shall see.

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He was pretty damn accurate on most of his passes, even under duress.

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Agreed....but it's one game. Kid might turn out to be a star, might not. Like I said, time will tell.

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Just about brought them back against Detroit, looked good against the skins, and played a solid game against the bears...the kid's good it's just a matter of whether or not the Vikes have the guts to let him play after putting so much stake in Ponder.

The other problem, of course, is that when he wasn't hurt Ponder was solid as well. Team has a lot of issues, but hopefully qb will be taken care of next year.

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Didn't know he had played that much already, Matt...thanks for the insight. :)

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Yeah, Ponder's been hurt a lot this year. We need to work on getting an offensive line that doesn't allow the kids back there to either get the crap beat out of them or have to run for their lives. Webb is just better at running for his life.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

:lr :tu

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Watching this team all year, the O-line cost us more games than anything else on this team, with the possible exception of the defensive secondary.

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...and the lack of receivers. Here's my theory why the O-line looked so bad...

The receivers are/were so poor that the defenses did not have to worry about any downfield threats, so they could single cover the guys out there. That allowed the opposition to blitz more and put more pressure on the offensive line to get their blocks made, which they failed to do.

As I've said, I don't know where they're going to get the guys, but they DESPERATELY need DB and WR help first. That kid from OSU looked pretty damn good last night, and he's a 2 time Biletnikoff Award winner. If he's available at #3, I've love to see him in purple. He seems to have good speed and looked pretty strong, breaking tackes.If they go that route, then they need to go through free agency to address the DB needs for a frontline CB and/or safety. If Winfield could come back healthy, I think he'd be a tremendous safety, but I dont know if he'd be willing to move.

The QB "controversy"...I have no idea what to say there. Webb played very well when he was in. He played well in a big start last year vs Philly. He's strong, mobile, and has a good arm. The question is whether he has the consistency to make it as a starter. I don't know. If a team has time to plan for him, how would the results be different? Ponder has an excellent skillset, as well. He's mobile, ha made some good decisions, and decent accuracy. The question is who has the higher ceiling as an NFL QB? remember that when Webb was drafted, he was drafted to be a WR, because of his tremendous athletic ability, so that's not a surprise with what has been seen from him. Either way, having two seemingly quality young guys there is not a bad thing, as long as they make the right choices in who plays. For the first time in a while, it seems like a bright spot for the franchise.

Now, I've heard a LOT of people call for the jobs of Frazier and Musgrave. I do NOT agree with that. You have to look at the season as a whole, and start with the lockout. The coaches couldn't have contact with their players, and they were trying to implement a new system. Right there, they were behind the 8 ball. Add to that bringing in a new QB (McNabb) and a rookie QB (Ponder). Then you add the poor play by a WR they were counting on (Berrian), and the injuries, et al, with the secondary. Things just deteriorated as the season went on. They just couldn't right the ship, and the injuries to Peterson didn't help things much, though Gerheart is a solid backup. As good as he was, he is no AP. Give Frazier and his staff a full, real offseason to work with their players. If there is no improvement seen next year (in results or general play), then I'd call for firing him. It's different than what I rememebr seeing with Childress. Childress was clearly not head coach material. He didn't know how to call plays to keep drives moving and help a team win (I saw way too many 3rd and 10s where he had all receivers running 5-7 yard patterns, when none of them had tackle breaking ability). Frazier had players not tackle and completely blow coverages late in games especially early in the year to help a few losses along. I hope they spend a couple $ and bring in some quality players at key positions, in addition to making the right pick at #3. But, no matter what, it seems like they'll be chasing the rest of the division for a few more years.

I have no doubts that AP will come back and be an absolute beast. He won't be rehabbing at a strip mall, eating fast food, and being lazy. The man is an animal, and they will have to hold him back from his rehab, I think. Next season may not be a "regular" year for him, but I have no doubt he will regain his place at the top of the NFL Rb food chain soon.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Good take on needing a WR, but we already have a guy on our team that can take that role and own it, if the team would just make the move a reality and not hedge. I think that Joe Webb is the most talented QB on our team, but not necessarily the answer at that position. Ponder has skills and can be the guy that moves this team to the next level. What the Vikings need to do is get Joe Webb involved in the gameplan as the big play WR they need. He has all of the intangibles and is almost freakishly strong and fast. He has huge hands and could jump over any d-back in the league. If the offense stays the same, Joe already has the knowledge to be the back-up QB, spend all of the off-season and training camp refining his skills as a WR. With the WR position addressed from available roster talent, the Vikes can concentrate on addressing the OL and DB from the draft and free agency.

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I agree that it would make sense to just make the move and stick with it (given that's what he was drafted for). But at the same time, how is his route running skills? He can have all the physical tools in the world, but if he can't run a good crisp route, then it won't work. And that is not something learned overnight. It does take time to learn it. How to go into and come out of cuts. Then there's unlearning the things that may be natural to him that work against running good routes. If a guy runs poor routes, I could almost cover him (I said almost, LOL). The Blackmon kid already runs good routes, and has honed his skills as a WR. Harvin seems to work best out of the slot, as well. If you move Webb to WR, and draft Blackmon, in a couple years, you'll have a SCARY WR corps to defend. Throw in a recovered AP to that with Kyle Rudolph at TE, and it almost won't matter who the QB is.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

I couldn't agree with you more!

Re: Vikings Fans
 

I think the world has reached it's packer fan carrying capacity. Any more and we'd all starve to death. (or run out of brats and miller lite, whichever comes first.)

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Actually I'm more of a Bud Light guy!

Re: Vikings Fans
 

LMAO Wade!

Just as you wouldn't jump ship, neither would I. :p I will forever drown in these frigid waters.

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Sadly shakes head....



http://bit.ly/AgjNc9

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Pete...you know me well enough to know that I'm pretty damn far from sane. :p

Re: Vikings Fans
 

I think we need to trade AP. It wouldn't be a popular move but I think his best years are about over. He may have another couple of great years in him but I think he's going to keep getting injured and his performance will start to slip. We can trade him now for some good draft picks and have a great team in a couple of years. It'll take that time to rebuild if we trade him or not, we have too many areas that need improvement.

As far as firing coaches goes, that doesn't make any sense. Frasier is still dealing with Chili's draft picks and poor decisions. He needs at least another 2 years to draft new players and build the team the way he wants it.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Chuckles at the royal/possessive "we." ;)

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What would the Vikings realistically expect to get for a 27 year old runningback with a shredded knee and a lot of miles? I assure you, not what he's worth to the Vikings.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

The Vikings looked pretty damn good yesterday.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Percy Harvin is certainly trying to get into the MVP discussion. He made a bunch of plays yesterday, and has really turned this team around.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

You NFL guys are finding out what I got to enjoy for 3 yrs at Florida - Percy Harvin playing on another level.

These two met in the endzone a time or two:

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/t...ebowHarvin.jpg

Go Vikings :tu

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Yes, Mr. Harvin makes the others guys on the football field look slow and uncoordinated. He's an amazing talent that I love to watch week in and week out.

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Wow. Ponder looks lost again today. Doesn't help that Ed Hochuli seems intent on a Packers win. Can't believe the Vikings are actually up in this game...thanks AP.

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Wondering how long it takes for the Packer D to put everybody and their brother into the box. They have no reason to be worried about Ponder right now.

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Only 7 times since 1960 has a team had a 200 yard rushing effort by a player, and still lose. Ponder was the reason we lost this game with two critical interceptions. My question is why were we even throwing the ball in either of those situations? Peterson was a beast today. If I were him, I would give Ponder a swirly.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

I thought the announcers said only twice it's happened before today... :(

Said teams were 50 something and 2 coming into today.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Maybe in the past certain number of years or so. As of today, teams with a 200 yard rusher are 106-8. There has been a total of 114 games with a 200 yd rusher since 1960.
According to Pro-football-reference.com anyways.

Re: Vikings Fans
 

Another 200 plus yard effort from AP, this time we got a win out of it! Skol Vikings!

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The dude is an absolute beast. I've been lucky enough to have witnessed the majority of his playing career not only with the Vikings, but at Oklahoma as well.

Quick anecdote. Right before the 2007 NFL draft, there were rumors that Peterson's stock was slipping because of all the various injuries that he had in college (thus being viewed as not very durable). Never before or since had I wished so hard for a player to fall to the Packers (who I believe picked 16th that year). Well, Peterson did fall, all the way down to seven and right in the Vikings laps. I consoled myself with the fact that it was unrealistic that he'd fall that far, and that one of either Marshawn Lynch (12th) or Darrelle Revis (14th) would fall to us. The Packers ended up drafting Justin Harrell. Who you ask?

Exactly. :gary