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Exactly my point. As crappy as Seattle is, he's still beasting. I can only dream of what he'd be doing in Green Bay right now.

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And what would it have cost us in cap $$? Would we have what we have in other places if we'd have taken him over the 3rd round draft pick? I cannot say, I haven't figured that one out. But, are we hurting for it?

Personally, I'd have liked to see us get someone opposite Matthews for some pressure on the QB. Defense is where we need help, not offense.

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Todd, the Packers drafted a runningback with the third round pick that Buffalo wanted; Alex Green. This makes it all the more frustrating for me as a fan.

To answer your other question, Lynch is only making $1.16 million this year (and next).

Are we hurting now? Not in the wins column. But a solid run game would protect the defense and be a wonderful compliment to the aerial attack come playoff time.

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Yeah, I understand. I thought he was making more than that. I agree that a run game would be a great compliment to the aerial attack - now even, long before the play-offs. I still think we should have looked at a DE or another OLB.

Glad we can disagree on this and still get along. :D

Go Pack!

Peace of the Lord be with you.

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I don't disagree that the Packers should've taken a front seven player with that pick, it was obvious even last year that the spot opposite Matthews was (is) a problem. My gripe is, since they used that pick on a runningback, why couldn't they have upped it for Lynch? They'd be a better balanced team, that's for sure.

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My point was there is only so much that the ball can be spread around. I'm not sure Lynch would have had as many chances to score. We score from outside the red zone as much or more as inside the red zone, and we've got 4 from Kuhn and 1 from Raji to go along with the 3 from Starks and Grant.
That's 8 to Lynch's 9. Not saying he wouldn't have been an improvement, but there's only so many touches available.

Then who's to say what he does to the chemistry of the team. I like what Ted's building from within. :tu

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I wouldn't care if he scores touchdowns or not. I want a guy who can come in and move the chains to protect the lead and protect the defense. But for the sake of, "argument" (nobody of course is arguing) I'd simply counter with these two things:

1. 24 of Rodgers 39 touchdown passes this season have occurred in the red zone (not to mention his two rushing touchdowns)
2. Lynch has scored 9 rushing touchdowns (and one receiving touchdown) on a terrible offense. Not a stretch to think he could exceed those numbers in Green Bay (if needed).
Marshawn Lynch has 225 carries this season. Grant/Starks have a combined 229. I think the Packers would've been able to find a respectable number of touches for him. Further, it was brought up earlier about the salary cap. If the Packers trade for Lynch last season, the Packers aren't paying Grant this season, saving the team a net $1.5 million.
Mr. Thompson's done a wonderful job, but he's far from infallible. He's done a poor job evaluating and drafting defensive line talent (save Raji, who fell in his lap) and hasn't done a lot with the linebacking corps, either. It's also my opinion (again, just my opinion) that he missed the boat with Lynch, which was further evidenced by him spending yet another early pick on a runningback this year (Brandon Jackson and now Alex Green). If anything, he's taken careful note to make sure that he doesn't make the same mistakes his predecessors did; having a stud quarterback but not providing him with weapons or decent protection (see: Favre, Brett).

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It is odd that we are "arguing" on the precipice of a perfect season.
If it happens, are we going to "argue" we could have been "perfecter"?;)

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There's always room for improvement, brother.:tu

But in all reality, this is just an old axe I have to grind with Ted Thompson. I'm a stakeholder now, so next year I'll go up and voice my displeasure in person.:r

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The stock cert I have was sold to my grandfather for $20. I believe it is from the 2nd sale back in the 50s.

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Packers are second in the league in First downs per game.


If Marshawn Lynch was a Packer he wouldn't have anywhere near 225 carries this season. Green Bay is a passing team who has the best receiver corps in the League. I don't understand the obesession with Lynch he is barely a top 10 running back and he is better suited at a team who needs a runing back.

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That's great. Still doesn't detract from my argument. The Packers don't have a runningback (or a collection of runningbacks) that they can hand the ball off to late in the game to chew up the clock and protect the lead/defense. Marshawn Lynch is that kind of back, as he showed (yet again) on Monday night.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion since Grant/Starks have combined for more attempts this season than Lynch. It's not a stretch to project him having somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 carries at this point in the season. Just to take it a step further, in 2009 when the Packers had a primary back (Grant), he had 282 carries with Rodgers attempting more passes per game than he is on pace for this season. Lynch would've filled that roll perfectly, and done it better than Grant did in 2009.
No argument here.
Yeah, because God forbid the Packers have a (young) top ten runningback at their disposal that actually would've saved the team $1.5 million dollars this season. What am I thinking?:rolleyes:
I would love to know how Grant/Starks are better suited to this team, when Lynch literally does everything better on the football field than either one.

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The facts are that Green Bay mostly only runs the ball when they need to run time off of the clock and so far there has been no problem doing that.

The Packers have scored the most points in the league and are 23rd in the league in plays from scrimmage. Anytime a team can score that fast the other team is going to have more tries to score points therefore are going to.

Last we are Packers fans why complain and argue about what could have been when obviously something is going right nothing should take the focus away from the amazing season that they have had, just enjoy it like the rest of us.

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So, what are the thoughts for score of Sunday's game?

Packers win 38-16

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Who are we beating... er playing, again?

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Packers win 47-9!

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Kansas City Chiefs

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They've let teams sneak back into games all season due to the lack of ability to eat up the clock coupled with a porous defense. How many times have they been bailed about by a timely interception with their backs against the wall? Sorry, I'm not nearly as confident as you seem to be in that continuing. At some point, the clock strikes midnight.
That's why it's vital to have a player of Lynch's caliber (it doesn't even have to be Lynch; but it's vital to have that be part of your arsenal if you're going to call off the dogs like the Packers do) to protect the leads (and the defense) built up by grinding out some first downs on the ground and chewing up the clock. That isn't happening so it is giving teams new life every week.
I am enjoying it, but as I said earlier, this is a problem with the organization that I have that stems from last season, and magnified by the fact that they took a runningback with the pick that Buffalo asked for in return. I apologize if I can't/won't blindly follow lockstep and not voice a disagreement when one arises. I watched as Ron Wolf became bulletproof because of assembling a team that made it to two Super Bowls, but yet completely mismanaged the team from the late 90's onward (poor draft selections, poor free agent acquisitions, the handling of Mike Holmgren, poor coaching hirings) up until the time he bumbled the reins over to Mike Sherman.

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While you bring up a lot of valid points, Stephen, if Starks doesn't get dinged up 6 weeks ago (or if we brought in Lynch and he had gotten hurt), we probably aren't having this conversation. Injuries are a part of the game and while we may not have a deep pool of talent at the running back position, we do have servicable talent. Nobody's totally right or wrong. Now we're debating opinions. Nobody wins that game. :)

I say we call a truce and you make it up for one of the NWWHerf and we'll arm wrestle. :D

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I don't have any other option than to be confident. I'm just a fan after all.

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And it's admittedly a petty squabble, but for some reason it's a burr under my saddle.
I've heard about you...
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The Packers worked out 4 new running backs this week, we NEED a running back.

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I have lots of burrs under my saddle. I learned to just wipe them away sometimes and not worry about them. They just get me in a foul mood.

I think Tim's right. You should join us for a herf - have a couple cigars, some great food, something to wet the palate, and enjoy the company of those who share a passion about cigars.

So, what's the score going to be Sunday?

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Just thought I'd throw my three cents into this. The last time I looked, we have the following backs available to us:

John Kuhn, Brandon Saine, and Ryan Grant. I have solid confidence in this group. Starks is currently sidelined, but will most likely return at some point in time (not a big issue), and that will give us four backs once again. I enjoy watching all three of these backs, and combined with the passing core of receivers, it simply becomes a winning machine:tu

I'm going with the following:

PACKERS 42 CHIEFS 17

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I'd love to, brother.
If Orton plays, I think they'll put up a bit of a fight. I'll say 34-13

If not, they'll roll over like puppies wanting their belly scratched. I'll say 37-3, but only because McCarthy calls off the dogs like he did last week.

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I'm all about the Packers winning right till they meet the Steelers in the Super Bowl again this year.
I just see this year's Pack like the 2004 Steelers who finished at 15-1, had a 13-0 run with Ben as a rookie, and lost in the AFC Championship to New England.
That's the game when they finally played a well-rounded ball club and all their deficiencies flared. It looked like they didn't even show up at a 41-27 loss.

The Pack had the number one softest schedule in the NFL this year. They're 27th in rushing the ball (granted, it hasn't mattered, but they haven't played a team with a decent secondary, or a secondary that wasn't nicked up).
The Defense gives up 21 points a game despite the fact that they hardly ever see the field.
They have been in a large number of very close games against very bad teams because of that imbalance, less so in this second half than the first half of the season, but the fact remains. I think they'd be in better shape with a couple losses and really well tested than where they sit today. But you gotta go with what you have, and the Packers have the most incredible offense I've seen since Kurt Warner's Rams. They are a joy to watch. :tu

It's football. Any given Sunday. I'd love to see Aaron Rodgers get that perfect season if the Steelers aren't in the mix, and I absolutely LOVE to watch them play ball.

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Oh, by the way, the Steeler's 2004 season...
They had the softest schedule in the NFL that year.

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I'm sensing another Grape Swisher bet coming on, Scooter. ;)

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I don't bet with welchers - he never did fulfill his part of that bet and smoke his Swisher. :r :r :D

Not that I necessarily blame him.

Besides, aren't we a little ahead of the program.

1) Get into the play-offs. (I think we can safely say that both the Packers and Steeler will do so. Although, the Steelers haven't yet sealed the deal and anything can happen in the next three week.

2) Win through the play-offs to get to the Super Bowl. And here there are no guarantees. I am not 100% sold that the Packers can do this. The defense will need to seriously step up their game if that's going to happen. We have won because of big plays, but we cannot stop anybody from moving up and down the field. We need to stop people first, big plays second.

At least that's the way I see it.

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As God is my witness, I'll smoke one of these stinky sunsab!tches. The rest I'm sending to Emjay. :tu

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Gotta remember though, I did release you from that bet - I couldn't make a friend do that.

But making MJ smoke one? That I could....


... OK, I couldn't even make MJ smoke one. Although, it'd be fun to see him drunk enough that he'd do it all on his own.

Hmm, Scott, send those to me. I think I have the beginnings of an idea. :r :r :D

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That'd be a good idea.

How about this one, don't expect that just because you hit someone they'll automatically go down - wrap 'em up!

Here's another. Cover the guy you're assigned to cover. And if you're in zone, cover the guy in your zone unless you communicate with someone else and are sure that another is covering him.

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Okay, you talked me into it. I'm gonna buy my way out of this. :D
It'll be win/win all around, and most importantly, I don't have to smoke one of these things. :lr

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And...
Being the Packers will not play in the first round, and they'll probably play Dallas (cause I think they'll sneak in, make a showing, then cave) in their first trial, it looks like they'll have to get through San Fran or New Orleans to make the Super Bowl.
They've shown they can outgun NO, but that was early.
I like the Packers chances. I like them a lot better if they don't see San Francisco, but I haven't seen that club in action yet this year, I'm just going on stats, which mean almost nothing come playoff time.
I get to see what San Fran looks like when they play my Steelers this weekend.

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:tu on all points Todd. Now, if our "D" has a linky to this thread....

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I wouldn't bet on that. But I hope someone on the coaching staff is telling them the same things.

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I am looking forward to the rest of the season. And, I am hoping that whoever we face, we will have the defense to stop them and the offensive tenacity to do what is necessary to win.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

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From what I've been able to tell from watching some of them this year, they're kind of like the Steelers on defense. Have a stout front seven that is equally adept at both stopping the run and getting after the quarterback, but their secondary is shaky (18 team interceptions is a deceptive number). If Roethlisberger can evade the rush with his flat tire, he should carve them up.:tu

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We always have Heath and Hines over the middle to spread the field, so if it's gonna be a short field game, then so be it.
I'm looking forward to it. It'll be nice to get a look at San Fran right before the playoffs. :tu

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Come on Kansas City and get the upset victory. It could happen.

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Anything's possible........but, no. Not gonna happen unless the team bus doesn't make it to the stadium. :D

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KC Chiefs leading the Packers 6 - 0. I honestly want Green Bay to get the perfect season but I love my KC Chiefs. By the way I grew up in a Packer home before being a fan was cool. My dad made us eat on Green Bay Packers placemats that he made from his Packers Report newspapers.

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Excuse me while I Happy Dance in this thread. 19 to 14 KC Chiefs take down the SUPER bowl Champions and previously undefeated Packers. This 1 win makes this lousy season okay for this KC fan.

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Congrats to the Chiefs. They came to play. Our receivers obviously didn't. Anytime Finley talks about picking up the slack, what he usually ends up picking up is the ball after he drops it. :td

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Damnit.

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I aint scared. You supply the beer and the blunt, and I'll play Cigar Fear Factor.

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Well, the defense didn't show up to play. Or should I say, the defense played like they normally play - unable to stop anything. And without the big plays, the take-aways, what happens? Yep, you got it! KC defeats the Packers.

Add to that an offensive line that couldn't protect Rodgers and receivers, yes, receivers (more than one) who cannot hang onto the ball, and you will lose.

Now that have a loss. Maybe this will be the wake-up call to get them to step up their game.

I seriously think that part of the problem was that they thought this would be a cake walk game, and they got theirs handed to them.

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I'm tired of hearing McCarthy say they're gonna work on the defense and start playing championship caliber defense. SHOW me.

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Amen brother, preach it!