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Didn't watch the game last night. Not watching next week either. Who needs the headache?

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:r:r:r:r

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This picture sums up how I feel about everything that's gone on with this team. PLEASE, for the love of god...FIRE HIM! WTF!?!?!?!? If he was a decent coach and had a track record of winning, then maybe I'd cut him some slack, but he doesn't. He's out of touch with his players and makes poor decisions on a regular basis, both in relation to games and personnell moves. Who wants to play for a coach who would cut someone on Christmas eve because they didn't like something the player said (who was also the team's leading receiver at the time) or suspend a player who spent "too much time" with his family after the grandmother who raised him died.

Moss may have dogged it a few times, but he is also still VERY dangerous as a player, and his presence on the field opens up other areas of the field for other players. Because of the way other teams have to game plan for him and roll coverages his way, and what he does to the defensive alignment, I'll live with him taking some plays off, and maybe resting for the big burst that still has to beat a double team when needed (ala the Jets).

F@#$ Brad Childress and the sh#!ty job he's done. I'm still a Vikings fan, but don't know that I will care much again until he's GONE. Who's got a bandwagon I can jump on? (won't be an NFC North team or the Cowgirls...OK, maybe I'd jump on one of THE Dallas Cowgirls :p)

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I think Brad Childress is on very thin ice? the owner wanted Moss.
If you need a bandwagon jump on ours, the Pats will be very competitive and are getting stronger every week:D

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Does anyone remember Randy's "I'll play when I want to play" speech?
That's definitely a very dangerous player. For whatever team he's on.
I'd go so far as to say he's had absolute zero positive impact since he's came to Minnesota. The fact that no one takes him seriously is probably the tipping point in the last four games. The Vikes are thin. If Randy Moss comes in and plays the way he can play, he's a big help to the club. Instead, he comes in and hurts the club by allowing opposing defenses to NOT key on him, which is what happened.
Add to that the locker room cancer he carries with him everywhere, and you've got a guy who is definitely very dangerous. :tu

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I do understand what you're saying, as far as questioning his effort, but the defenses HAVE rolled coverage his way. They stack a safety behind the CB on his side. Teams have also had a LB out there to chuck him. If they get him with 1:1 coverage, why wouldn't Favervarevravervarvervarvereva call an audible and have him run a go route right past the DB?

Look at the numbers Harvin has put up since Moss's arrival (receiving and rushing). AP has done well, also, with the D more spread out. Take him off the field, and it's a LOT easier for defenses to game plan and defend against the MN offense. Stack the box, because there is no-one outside to truly worry about.

Just my :2

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On one level I agree with you, but looking at the whole picture, I think ANY half decent wr would give you as much benefit as Moss. I'd go so far to say that with any other wr, you're likely to win.
Why wouldn't Farve call an audible and have Moss run a route past the db? Because he's pouting and won't hear it, or it's too much effort for him to run a route when it's not "his turn".
Moss didn't get sh1tcanned because he's helping the team. Seriously.
"What he can do" on paper doesn't help unless he brings it to the field.
Imagine what he'd have done for the Vikes if he wasn't such a dick? It makes me sad. I truly fault Moss' play for the Vike's woes since he showed up. Things didn't work out like Childress hoped. It was another Ill-advised move on his part, I think. I'm not sure who's idea the Moss acquisition was, but it smells like a Childress. So I might owe him an apology. :)

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Acquisition was Wilf. I don't think that Chilly was ever on board with it. A superstar receiver with a questionable history is NOT something he'd ever go for. He seems to think his SYSTEM is what wins games, not having the more talented players. A couple years ago, he called it a "kick-ass" offense. It's been anything but that. They had opportunities to get a top shelf receiver in the preseason, but never went for one. Then acquiring Moss...they HAD to know what they were getting. Chilly likely never wanted him in the first place, and got rid of him as soon as he could.

And, his impact had not just been on paper. Look at the defensive alignments that we've seen since he was here Safeties were deeper and rolled to Moss's side. Seriously, I've noticed it more. They aren't crowding the box, intent on stopping Peterson only. You think any DB will be scared of Bernard Berrian or Greg Lewis or Hank Baskett? Harvin will now be covered by the #1DB every game, thus ending any mismatch he created before. At the very minimum, having him on the field as a decoy seemed to keep teams honest and from stacking the box against AP. Now, that won't happen. By jettisoning him, and keeping Chilly, this team has essentially thrown the season away. I think it may be in Faevrearvearervarvervarevravervavrer's best interest to leave now, before he gets killed in a lost and meaningless last season.

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I also have been wondering if that will happen. Favre may just decide the hassle isn't worth it and retire.

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The aquisition makes more sense now. At least as to why it was done. :D
Percy Harvin has definately been tearing it to pieces up the middle with a wider field. I'm just not so sure that's Moss or the scheme.
You still have to provide deep coverage, regardless if it's Berrian or Moss.
I agree Moss's "aura" might garner more attention, though.
Harvin is willing to get lit up in the middle of the field, because he's nuts. I think his game is still going to be there as long as Farve still keeps going down the filed.
Granted, no one will be there to catch the ball, but Farve is gonna have to make nice to someone and get on the same page with them, or he'll never complete a pass over 7 yards for the rest of the season.
I would think he'd take an interest in Berrian. He definately has the hands to get the job done.
If you take "Brett doesn't come to camp" and add it up with "Brett can't practice cause he's about to die", how is he ever gonna get any reps with his receivers? Maybe the front office thought was that Randy has more years in a jersey than Berrian and should be able to jump right into Brett's mind? He has to get some reps with them or they'll never catch a ball.

I had real high hopes to see Minnesota do well this year. What a catastrophe it's turned into, and it just looks more and more bleak every week. I think they can still take the division with a max of two more losses, and they honestly have not played bad ball. I know if you're a Minnesota fan you gotta be ready to puke, but they really are a good club.
I guess my point is that they can definately compete, and they have a good chance of turning this around. If they lose to Arizona this weekend, I'd suggest buying a Packers Jersey, and thank God you're not a Dallas fan. :r

Tell me this...
Is it just me, or does the NFC look super weak this year? The Giants seem like the only team that has their sh!t together, and they have always seemed poised to implode on any given Sunday.
You know things are rough when all the buzz is about Tampa Bay...

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:r
Tampa Bay is gonna be a threat if they keep on improving. Who'dathunkit?

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Harvin's improvement = Moss's presence. No doubt. If it were the scheme, he'd have had big games earlier in the year. The fact that they can have him motioning into the backfield, while still having a serious receiving threat out wide is a part of it. Defenses have to account for both of them. If you're a D-coordinator, who would you be more afraid of on the outside: Greg Lewis, Bernard Berrian, or Randy Moss?

As for Berrian, he may have the hands, but having good hands is of no use when you can't actually get open. LOL I've watched him this year, and about the only times he's been able to shake the defender has been in the last couple games. Even then, he hasn't come up "big". He was a deep threat a couple years ago, but it seems like he's lost a step or two, honestly. Not sure what's gone on there.

The QB is DEFINITELY NOT on the same page as his receivers. I'd have to agree that it's the lack of reps in the preseason and during the week. If he'd been here for 4+ years, maybe then it'd be better, but this is only his 2nd (and hopefully last...I never wanted him here to start with, and the only way it makes sense is if he brings home a ring). The timing just isn't there. We saw it last year...same scenario, but he was healthy and able to practice during the week and develop some of that timing as the season went on. I don't see it happening this year. :(

I know they're a good team, and have been right in most of the games, but they're playing catchup, mostly because of the performance of the offense, and specifically the QB. And simply being in the games doesn't mean anything in the NFL. Only wins count.

The coaching and decisions made (playcalling and challenges/not challenging) have not helped. Those are things that have been like this for as long as Childress has been here. His first year, I saw WAY too many 6-7 yard patterns called when it was 3rd and 10. He was coaching a scheme, not for success. He knew he didn't have the receivers that could break tackles and get those extra yards, but he still called those plays. How can you have 12 men in the huddle coming out of a timeout in the NFC title game? How can you have 10 men on the field for a critical 4th and goal play on offense? I've said it time and again, and I'll keep saying it until he's gone. They will go nowhere as long as he's the coach.

As for the NFC being weak, I completely agree. When the wildcard teams are Philly and Tampa, something's off. The Giants do look like the team to beat in the NFC, but as you said, they're always on the doorstep of imploding. GB is looking like they're starting to get in a groove, but they didn't look all that great against the Jtes, and Rodgers has seemed to be rather off the last couple weeks, in regards to his timing with his receivers.

A loss against AZ DEFINITELY ends their season, and if so, hopefully Chilly's coaching tenure with it. With all due respect, I'd NEVER lower myself to wearing a GB jersey (Cowboys, either). YUCK! LOL

As I saw somewhere (not sure exactly where, maybe a friend on FB), the smartest thing for the team to do for the future would be to dump Chilly and hire Frazier as the head coach. Look at the track record of former Viking coordinators as head coaches (Dungy, Billick, Tomlin...). Seems like they always do well and get a ring somewhere else.

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...and by the way, with the info about the catering incident that's out there now...

I'd eaten at their place (Tinucci's) MANY times growing up. It was decent. Not great, maybe good at best, but not horrendously bad. There was nothing truly special about the food to me. I looked mroe forward to seeing the big sailfish on the wall and spending time with my family than actually eating the food there, honestly.

My opinion on Moss's reaction: VERY poor form. Just walk away and say nothing or that you're not hungry or that the food is not what you want at this point in time. Did that warrant getting put on waivers? Not in my mind. Maybe an internal fine or 1 quarter suspension for "violating team rules" or something like that. Not everyone is going to like every kind of food offered. Just try to be civil about it.

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I missed that story.
The story I heard that was the straw that broke the camel's back had something to do with Moss stopping his route causing Farve to take the hit in the chin. I don't know if there's any truth to that because there was no downfield film on the play. I never saw anything on sport center or on the web, either.
The media was going pretty easy on Moss as of yesterday, usually they're like sharks. Not sure why they'd lay off him. Maybe they're trying to get some ammo gathered up?

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I heard this on the radio this morning, and the suggestion by the sportscaster was that maybe Farve wanted him gone.

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Farve and Childress thought Moss would save their ass and forgot they still had to get him the ball for it to happen. This whole thing is starting to smell, they needed someone to blame their failure on and they chose Randy. My guess is the media is just not taking the bait.

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I know I'm likely beating a dead horse here, but here's a take on ESPN that sums up a lot of what I've been saying, in regards to the value he added, not just his actual numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...four-weeks-ago

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As a Colt fan, just wanted to throw out a
Big FU!! To Childress now that Moss ismwith the Titans

What a maroon Childress is

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Preaching to the choir, my friend. LOL

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Ya know, being unemployed, I just may fire off a resume to Minneapolis. The head coach job description mustn't require any special skills...
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Santa says ONE CLAP

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LMAO!!! Seems like it!! Definitely can't include doing research, time management, interpersonal relations, integrity, or attention to details.

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I watched that and laughed.
I didn't see the meter maid giving one clap though.
Or his dope dealer.
Wait, you can't use your hands to clap when you are bonging up, you might drop it and break it.

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Looks like Percy Harvin and Brett Farve don't much care if Randy Moss is gone.
Granted, they played Arizona. I still think Moss hurt them a lot more than he helped. Berrian even caught a few.
I can't talk much sh1t cause I didn't get to see the game yesterday, I was traveling. I was forced to listen to the Cleveland game on the radio.
I still agree that Chilly is not only a douche, but after this week's actions, I think he's mental, too. And he might be a girl. :tu

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LOL Scott...despite the win, I still think that Chilly needs to go.

Berrian FINALLY was able to get open...but as you said, it was the Cardinals. Berrian doubled his output for the entire season yesterday. Harvin played well, and was obviously hobbled on that bad ankle (came up limping a few times). They got AP more involved in the passing game, too. Rice should be back on the field soon, too, but I still think they'd be better if they had Moss out there (though he probably would have caused the fumble that Camarillo did to save a TD and get the ball back). There were signs of life, but it still took an amazing comeback, and putting the game in the hands of Faevarervarvervarevarervarevar to beat AZ in OT...at home. And the defense FINALLY had a sack (6, to be certain). But again, it was AZ. They finally played the way they've been expected to all year at the end of regulation and in OT (three 3-and-out series to end the game).

The real key is if they will bve able to parlay this into a roll. The next 2 games are against the Bears and GB. They will truly be back in the thick of things if they win both of them. Lose one (or both), and they are DONE. A further gap in the division won't be good, and the Saints are seeming to turn it up, making the other wild card more difficult to get. There's hope right now, but not a lot (at least partially because Chilly is still the coach).

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I SO wish I'd have seen that game. :D
They're talking Rice back this week. Hopefully very limited. That should stick a fork in the whole Moss saga. If they had a couple more wins under their belts, they become a super mega bonafide contender.
I'd hate to be in the "watching my team get one more loss and they're done" seat. They're just hitting their stride a couple games too late.
Regardless, there's probably gonna be a couple 8-8 wildcard teams. So there's that.
I'd expect more trouble out of the Bears than the Packers, really. I see the Vikes laying a world-class ass whooping on the Pack next week. 31-10 or so.
From everything I've read, it's gotten real chilly for Chilly. If the team knows he's not getting any love from the front office, they'll play for themselves and win despite him, if you get the kind of mindset change I'm thinking.
Harvin is gonna go monster the next couple games. Moreso in the Green Bay game.
Shilala the Greek has spoken. :)

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Rice isn't definite for Sunday. Harvin's fighting the migraines again, and a sprained ankle. Asher Allen is questionable with a concussion, and Favre is feeling the effects of his EZ Pass O-line. All we need now is an injury to Jared Allen or one of the Williams "brothers" for the perfect end to this season.
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Vikes fire Childress...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/B...Vikings-112210

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Good

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Shouldn't have been a suprise

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Bout time.

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He'll bounce back somewhere pretty quick (IMHO). He's a great football guy, just got in over his head with all the drama (Favre, Peterson, and Moss). He should have stood his ground, made good decisions, and explained himself when he did make a decision. I think he might have learned his lesson.

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Not the first coach Favre got fired, I predicted that before they signed him last year.

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Hopefully Frazier knows how to throw a challenge flag. The Vikes needed an assistant coach whose sole job was to *****slap Chilly and yell, "Throw it, dumbass!"
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Actually, I think he was in over his head as a head coach in the NFL. Having watched him fairly closely over the last 4.5 years, he did NOT make good decisions, in regards to game management and player management. He made several big mistakes, in how he handled the team (i.e. the release of Marcus Robinson and the fining of Troy Williamson), his clock management, game management, playcalling, etc. I will say that he did know how to hire good D-coordinators (Tomlin and Frazier). He was proved to not be honest several times with the press about what was going on with his team (most recently with the release of Moss). Where is the drama with Peterson? Honestly, I haven't heard any locally, aside from him getting a couple speeding tickets, and having missed one "mandatory" team function for "Adrian Peterson Day"in his hometown. I wouldn't call the fumbling "drama", just an on field issue that seems to have been corrected.

As for his coaching skills, look at this season. Have they scored once on their first drive of the game? That relates to his coaching skill, because he has all of those plays scripted. Other teams have known what's coming, and have been able to stop it rather easily. The poor penalties that they've taken are more of a direct reflection of the coaching of the team. If they have a lot of bad/stupid penalties, like this team has had, it is direct relation to the coaching, and that goes right to the head coach. He has to be able to set the discipline, and get the players in position to make the plays and perform as they are able to, and he has NOT been able to do that.

My lack of trust in him as a head coach goes back to his first season here in MN. He was calling the offensive plays that season. I had season tickets that year (which we gave up BECAUSE of the product he put out on the field). I saw FAR too many 6yard patterns called when it was 3rd and 10. He was a system guy, and believed that his system was better than the players he had. He didn't put them in position to succeed. The players he had didn't have the ability to consistently break tackles and get the extra yards needed. The defense improved with the coordinators he hired, but the offense HE put in did not do anything. He called it a "kick-ass offense", and it wasn't that until last year when he brought Faavrevarevravrearververvarve in to run it. Even then, a lot of people attribute that to him running what he wanted to, and not the play that came in from the sidelines. Or maybe it was because Bevell was calling the plays.

I can honestly say that I don't feel bad about wanting him gone and being critical of the job he did. I was at the game Sunday, and was part of the chant that echoed in the stadium. From my perspective, his job performance was poor. And at the same time, he honestly doesn't ever have to work again, with the money he's made, and will get from the buyout. With that being said, I've heard he's a decent guy, but wasn't what this team needed to truly succeed. Good luck to him in his future.

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I really think that Frazier will continue to be the coach of this team beyond this season. He's been widely thought of as a future head coach, and I'm glad he's got the opportunity to do it here. :) If they don't keep him beyond this year, I really hope they bring in a proven winner (ala Cowher, Gruden, Billick, etc.).

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I'm glad to see Chilly gone. Poor bastard will have to sit on the beach and collect a check for what, three more years?
Once this season is over, it looks like the Vikes should be totally out of money.
Fortunately they have a good amount of talent, and they should be competitive until they can compete financially again.
It's tough to watch a good team just go to hell and know there's lots more to come. I'd be completely shocked if they don't have a firesale at the end of the season and start from the dirt up.

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You're forgetting about the Rooney rule... the Vikings will have to interview some white guys. :D

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LMAO!!!

I heard yesterday the names of a few of the others who they looked at before hiring Chilly. One of them, in particular stood out to me...Jim Caldwell. I think that would have been a great fit. A Dungy protege, who has done well in succeeding him. That being said, could he have done it with MN? Who knows.

The Wilfs want to win...badly. Why else would they bring in the players they have, and go "all in" as they have this year? Because of this, I don't really forsee a "firesale" at the end of the year. They will still have some VERY good pieces of the puzzle in place. In addition, I think it was Chilly who was planning on blowing up the roster after this year (since he had full personnel control). I think the players have enough respect for Frazier (and he has enough equity with them, especially having been a good player in the league and winning that ring with one of the greatest teams EVER), that they might want to stick around (a guy like Ray Edwards, for instance). But they DO have a bunch of free agents, and the big question is who will they resign? Greenway is a must. AP is a no-brainer (slap the franchise tag on him). Rice is a guy you'd like to keep, but honestly is a bit of a question mark since he had only one big season and has been hurt this year. Edwards is a solid DE to have opposite of Allen. Pat Williams will retire, but they have a couple young guys they've been grooming to replace him. I think Kevin Williams is signed for a couple more years, as is Allen. What they NEED is a true "shut-down" corner. It's not Winfield, who is talented, but his best spot is playing on the slot receiver (and with his age, he may be best served by moving to safety in the next couple years). I like the linebacking core of Henderson and Greenway. Lieber has pretty much disappeared this year. Can Griffin come back from tearing his other ACL and be productive? Will Asher Allen or Chris Cook develop into a solid NFL cornerback? What will happen with right guard? And of course, there is the huge question mark at QB. As for QB, my personal feeling is that Jackson has all the tools to be a good QB in the league. Has sitting for 2 years and developing behind Faveravervarevraveravrverevaeear helped him? I'd like to see. It DID work for Aaron Rodgers.

yes, I'm a big football, especially Vikings guy, and now that Chilly is gone, it is much easier to say that I'll go down with the ship. LOL But if I have to choose another team in the division to win it all...go Bears. :p

Yeah, I agree. My comment was more about Childress' apparent unwillingness to throw the red flag. What sucks is that MN is stuck paying out the rest of Childress' contract.
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Oh...I know that...I was thinking "Why the F@CK is he not throwing the flag?!?!?!?" in the GB game when there was that bobbled TD pass by the GB tight end. He has NEVER known when to throw them at the right time.

I just wanted to voice my opinion of Frazier taking over the team. :)

I hope they do give him a shot going forward. A while back, we had another hot DC under Denny Green, who went on to great success elsewhere. His name was Tony Dungy. ;)
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And don't forget Frazier's predecessor under Chilly...Mike Tomlin. He's ALREADY got a ring. :)

Yep, Dungy was just on my mind because of all the speculation that he would take the job. Plus, we *know* he has experience dealing with a prima donna QB. ;)
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Ha ha ha. Yeah. Unfortunately, he's already said he's not interested in the job. If he came back to coaching, I really think it would be either there or to the U of M (Minnesota, as he's an alum). By turning down both, I really think he is truly done with his coaching career.