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yourchoice 08-10-2010 02:04 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 948058)
I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2
I agree it seems unlikely they could void the contracts, Tom. But the league could review "questionable" past deals and consider cap implications. That's may still be a stretch.

The allegation that he offered the contract with the NHL's blessing seems unlikely too, but the contract certainly made the point of how preposterous it can be.

icehog3 08-10-2010 02:16 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
It will definitely be interesting to watch this play out.

Gophernut 08-10-2010 04:05 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 948058)
I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2
A quote from the arbitrator who voided the contract is pretty telling though:

"While [those] contracts have in fact been registered, their structure has not escaped league notice," Bloch wrote. "Those players' contracts are being investigated currently with at least the possibility of a subsequent withdrawal of the registration."


So he left the door for the NHL to do just that, of course the NHLPA will have something to say about that I am sure. I agree it will be interesting to watch it all play out.

icehog3 08-10-2010 04:47 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gophernut (Post 948288)
A quote from the arbitrator who voided the contract is pretty telling though:

"While [those] contracts have in fact been registered, their structure has not escaped league notice," Bloch wrote. "Those players' contracts are being investigated currently with at least the possibility of a subsequent withdrawal of the registration."


So he left the door for the NHL to do just that, of course the NHLPA will have something to say about that I am sure. I agree it will be interesting to watch it all play out.
I would have to call :bs on the arbitrator, Steve...I just don't see the League doing anything with past contracts.

Gophernut 08-10-2010 05:25 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 948335)
I would have to call :bs on the arbitrator, Steve...I just don't see the League doing anything with past contracts.
I could see them trying, but I really don't think they'll get very far. The other contracts, aren't as week on the back end like this one is. Also, the NHLPA is going to stand in the way, they are a pretty strong union, and the NHL has a history of looking the other way on these sorts of things.

icehog3 08-10-2010 05:30 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gophernut (Post 948370)
I could see them trying, but I really don't think they'll get very far. The other contracts, aren't as week on the back end like this one is. Also, the NHLPA is going to stand in the way, they are a pretty strong union, and the NHL has a history of looking the other way on these sorts of things.
I agree completely. :tu

Ahbroody 08-10-2010 10:11 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 948058)
I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2
Dont be so suprised. If they can show the purpose of the contract was to circumvent the CBA/ Cap then they just might. Lets not forget those two contracts last summer are what lead to this contract.

They may not be able to void it, but they may be able to put something in that says the K must be balanced and if the player does not complete the K then he must give back a percentage of the money he did not earn. I dont think this would happen though. What would be interesting if they did this would be if they could get the arbitrator to rule that the money returned must be determined by taking the amount of the K and dividing it by years of K. In all honesty if this was done and the Players Union took it to court they would have a tough time arguing the players would actually complete these contracts amd what the true purpose was. The courts in the past have shown they will side with the league and give them a lot of say in how business is done. Dont believe me? Look at how the Coyotes Bankruptcy was handled. The League was given control. If they will do it with the NFL they will do it with the NHL.

All and all I am glad this was done and hope something is done about last years contracts. Its Shiet for teams and players to do this. It violates the whole purpose of the cap and trying to introduce parody giving more teams a shot. I think most of us have had enough of certain teams buying players. Its nice to see teams struggle now that the cap has taken effect.

357 08-11-2010 08:11 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 944345)
Mike I have never moved the target or changed the argument. I have stated the same things since last year. I wont be getting back on topic as I never left. I am not the one putting thoughts and words not written into your posts. It has become painfully obvious that no matter what I write be it direct quotes from a coach or stats we are not going to agree. I have no intrest in continuing this as I fear it will result in Tom having to get involved. I appreciate my friendship with Tom too much to put him in that situation. So I will for the second time in a row post. Lets just agree to disagree. :tu
OK. I was being civil; I wasn't calling names or mocking anyone. You kinda dogged my team. I disagreed with you. Thereafter I was only trying to make a logical argument that supported my opinion. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. We're fans of different teams, we'll never see eye to eye on which team is better. No hard feelings.

357 08-11-2010 08:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 944454)
Nah, it was a Detroit Red Wings reference, Mike.....read between the (arguably most potent third) lines. ;) :r
I know it was a jab at the Wings, and their third line. What I couldn't grasp was how Janet Jackson lyrics were going through your mind. :D

357 08-11-2010 09:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleven (Post 948110)
They may not be able to void those, but I am all for them re-working them to be in line with the spirit of the CBA.

Everyone agreed to the CBA, now teams have found a way to circumvent the actual wording with creative contracts. Its cheating. Plain and simple.
I disagree. The rules are the rules. The intention of a rule is defined by the wording. If the wording is poor, then it's a bad rule. Fix the wording. Amend the CBA and have the PA approve it. I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, but as you said everyone agreed that the average salary over the term is applied to the cap.

IMO, it's not the GM's fault that they are smarter than the attorneys who wrote the CBA. Every team looks for ways to gain a competitive advantage. It's the teams job to do this; be the best within the rules.

:2

Gophernut 08-11-2010 10:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 357 (Post 949079)
I disagree. The rules are the rules. The intention of a rule is defined by the wording. If the wording is poor, then it's a bad rule. Fix the wording. Amend the CBA and have the PA approve it. I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, but as you said everyone agreed that the average salary over the term is applied to the cap.

IMO, it's not the GM's fault that they are smarter than the attorneys who wrote the CBA. Every team looks for ways to gain a competitive advantage. It's the teams job to do this; be the best within the rules.

:2
I agree that this is not what I consider cheating, it is certainly within the grey area because of the poorly written rules. If you want to call it cheating you wont get too much arguement from me on that side though either.:confused:

icehog3 08-11-2010 01:28 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 357 (Post 948973)
I know it was a jab at the Wings, and their third line. What I couldn't grasp was how Janet Jackson lyrics were going through your mind. :D
Because Janet Jackson is bangin'!!! :banger:xxx :xxx

SmokeyJoe 08-12-2010 12:37 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Washington Capitals Mistakenly Engraved on Prince of Wales Trophy! :D

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/11/w...wales-troph%2F

Oops!!!

GHC_Hambone 08-12-2010 02:32 PM
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Saw this a few days ago and I was sure it was a photoshop, I was shocked to learn it was real. How could they make such a bad mistake?!

dubnick 08-12-2010 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GHC_Hambone (Post 950808)
Saw this a few days ago and I was sure it was a photoshop, I was shocked to learn it was real. How could they make such a bad mistake?!
Hmmmmmm.... They BETTER fix it!!! :rl :rl :rl

Ahbroody 08-12-2010 08:02 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Any of you guys that play. Whats your take on the Power Balance bracelets/necklaces?
I see some NHLers even pimping them now.

GreekGodX 08-14-2010 03:26 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 951174)
Any of you guys that play. Whats your take on the Power Balance bracelets/necklaces?
I see some NHLers even pimping them now.
Are these similar to the Trion or Phateon bracelets/necklaces?? I got some Trion ones for free and wear them but I don't think they help me in anyway..

Ahbroody 08-14-2010 05:00 PM
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I am no hippie just want to state that. That said the power balance is differnet. they allegedly use magnets ,the titanium stuff is supposed to promote cal m.

found one on amazon cheap I bought it. :r I will report back.

teemu is apparently pimping these, that said having played for a while I know how superstitious I was and how bad others are. Likely all in the head. I think i will have the boy wear it and see what happens.

Ahbroody 08-15-2010 12:07 AM
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http://www.hockeymonkey.com/weekend-blowout.html
Some good deals especially if you dont live in Cali so no sales tax either.

GreekGodX 08-15-2010 06:46 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 953685)
http://www.hockeymonkey.com/weekend-blowout.html
Some good deals especially if you dont live in Cali so no sales tax either.
I saw this yesterday too!! I need a stick!

Ahbroody 08-15-2010 09:09 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Yeah Looks like Santa is doing some early Christmas Shopping. Seeing some gloves and a stick for Micah.

Registering him to play roller hockey along with his ice hockey this year. Some fantastic deals on youth roller hockey gear also. Being a gear whore is defintely an issue.

Ahbroody 08-15-2010 04:15 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk2wI...os=f2E4SyLl59k
Epic fan spazzzzz out at 21 seconds. :r

GHC_Hambone 08-23-2010 01:33 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Huet to Switzerland?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536260

icehog3 08-23-2010 02:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GHC_Hambone (Post 962989)
Hawks still have to pay him even if he plays there, but at least it's not a cap hit.

Ahbroody 08-29-2010 05:13 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfNU92IoBs

icehog3 08-29-2010 05:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 970398)
Probert was well past his prime at that point. Severyn couldn't have lasted 10 seconds with him a couple years earlier. :2

Ahbroody 08-29-2010 10:23 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
No doubt he looked very winded. You could tell that skill was still there though.

Ahbroody 09-01-2010 02:58 PM
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Well there you have it boys.
Niemi will be a shark this year.
Only a one year deal, hoping it goes long term as I see him as a possible great goalie in a few years.

icehog3 09-01-2010 04:38 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 974270)
Well there you have it boys.
Niemi will be a shark this year.
Only a one year deal, hoping it goes long term as I see him as a possible great goalie in a few years.
Interesting.

Eleven 09-03-2010 11:24 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...

Mike Comrie

And I don't say this because Mike is so great, I say this because Mike is married to this:

http://abhaykant.files.wordpress.com...er-6.jpg?w=500

So seriously, stay home. She is mine! (And Mike's)

:)

icehog3 09-03-2010 01:12 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleven (Post 976440)
Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...

Mike Comrie
Nice pick-up by the Pens if he plays like he is capable of. Maybe the dame is why he hasn't lately. ;)

icehog3 09-04-2010 03:13 PM
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FRom ESPN.com...Kovalchuk's contract will be the last of this type:

Quote:
Five weeks after rejecting the Russian's landmark 17-year, $102 million contract with the Devils, the league approved a revised 15-year, $100 million deal on Friday after reaching an agreement with the NHL Players Association on an amendment covering long-term contracts.

A source told ESPN.com's Scott Burnside that as part of the amendment, the NHL has agreed to stop looking into the long-term deals of Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo, Marc Savard and Marian Hossa.

In exchange for allowing those four contracts and Kovalchuk's new deal to stand under the old rules, the NHLPA agreed to new regulations governing how front-loaded, long-term contracts count against the salary cap.

In the future, the salary cap hit for any contract that is five years or more in length and takes a player to his 41st birthday or beyond will be determined by the average of the yearly salaries only until the year in which the player turns 40.

All remaining years in the deal after a player turns 41 will be recalculated based on the salary of those final years of the contract, according to the source.

The two-tiered cap system will prevent GMs from signing players like Kovalchuk to long-term deals with a dramatically reduced salary at the end of the contract designed to lower the salary cap.

For example, the original Kovalchuk deal would be allowed under the new rules, but the salary cap hit would be based on the first 13 years of the deal. When Kovalchuk turns 40, the cap hit would be recalculated based on the final four years of the contract. Under the amendment, the first 13 years of the original deal would cost the Devils $7.68 million annually against the salary cap while the final four years, when Kovalchuk would almost certainly have been retired, would come with a cap hit of $550,000.

"You could still do [that deal] but you can't use the five years at $550,000 to bring down the cap hit. It's almost two separate contracts really," the source said.

While the five contracts at issue will be honored at their current values, the new agreement agreed upon on Friday will cover any new contracts.

"Getting all those deals approved in exchange for [the new regulations] is a great deal," for the NHLPA, the source told ESPN.com.

icehog3 09-04-2010 04:11 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleven (Post 976440)
Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...
Pens signed Comrie for 500K, I wish the Hawks would have signed him rather than Pisani at the same price.

That being said, if Comrie "completes the puzzle", the Pens must have had all the pieces before that...I think the Hawks, Sharks, Wings, Canucks, Kings, Caps and all will still play. ;) :r

Ahbroody 09-04-2010 08:25 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 977704)
Pens signed Comrie for 500K, I wish the Hawks would have signed him rather than Pisani at the same price.

That being said, if Comrie "completes the puzzle", the Pens must have had all the pieces before that...I think the Hawks, Sharks, Wings, Canucks, Kings, Caps and all will still play. ;) :r
Wait wait Wings? I kid I kid
Agreed thats why they play the games Tom. I dont know what to think of this new Sharks team or Hawks team. This season will be very interesting in the west and I dont see any team running away with it.

icehog3 09-04-2010 09:30 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 977852)
Wait wait Wings? I kid I kid
Agreed thats why they play the games Tom. I dont know what to think of this new Sharks team or Hawks team. This season will be very interesting in the west and I dont see any team running away with it.
Hawks, Sharks, Kings, Wings, Canucks are all definitely in the mix, Mike.

Eleven 09-07-2010 06:43 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 976529)
Nice pick-up by the Pens if he plays like he is capable of. Maybe the dame is why he hasn't lately. ;)
I will keep my fingers crossed that she doesn't 'Tony Romo' him :)

357 09-07-2010 08:33 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 977881)
Hawks, Sharks, Kings, Wings, Canucks are all definitely in the mix, Mike.
Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O

icehog3 09-07-2010 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 980110)
Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O
Gonna be a great season in the West! :tu

Ahbroody 09-08-2010 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 357 (Post 980110)
Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O
I dont think we agree on placement in the West:r, but I do believe it will be one kick ass year. I think the Sharks Have a strog chance of winning the west for the 3rd year in a row, but wouldnt be suprised to see the Canucks swipe it. As for LA I said last year its a great young team as is PHX. They can catch fire and do a lot a damage.

ahc4353 09-08-2010 07:18 AM
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Don't know if this has been discussed (searching on my phone sucks).

Dave Kolomatis signed a 3 year deal with the Kings. This is the second D man (John Carlson Caps) from my sons organization to go pro.

Maybe there is hope for Mitch yet! :D

icehog3 09-08-2010 07:57 AM
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Go Mitch!! :wo

Ahbroody 09-08-2010 08:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahc4353 (Post 981275)
Don't know if this has been discussed (searching on my phone sucks).

Dave Kolomatis signed a 3 year deal with the Kings. This is the second D man (John Carlson Caps) from my sons organization to go pro.

Maybe there is hope for Mitch yet! :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 981300)
Go Mitch!! :wo
:tpd: that would be awesome.

Ahbroody 09-10-2010 01:45 AM
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Too funny found out the NFL season started today when I got to work. Didnt even know.

Is it hockey season yet?

icehog3 09-10-2010 08:19 AM
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Training camp in 1 week! :wo

jmsremax 09-10-2010 08:41 AM
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Just my tickets in hand today! :wo


Here's to the '10-'11 season :chr

Ahbroody 09-10-2010 09:19 AM
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got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

jmsremax 09-10-2010 10:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 984039)
got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

I hear ya...I split it amongst some friends because the cost of each game is quite high when you add in the beers before, during, and sometimes after.

Ahbroody 09-11-2010 02:04 AM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Because I love me some PJ Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXO4zLwNkA

icehog3 09-11-2010 08:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahbroody (Post 985017)
Because I love me some PJ Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXO4zLwNkA
Great scrap. :tu

Barcode 09-11-2010 12:49 PM
Re: NHL '10 - '11 Thread
 
Restricted free-agent center Peter Mueller re-signed with the Colorado Avalanche on Friday, agreeing to a two-year contract.

Hopefully the youth movement will get the AVS back on top of the west.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_yl...lanche-mueller


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