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I know what steroids do, Carlos. I was pointing out that I don't see it as an advantage if everyone has the choice to use them or not(whether legal or not). Others chose not to use steroids. Choices give advantages.

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If roids didn't offer an advantage, athletes wouldn't use them. Some athletes just have more character than others.

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Working out also offers an advantage.:tu

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Yes, but that is by natural means. Roids are by artificial means.

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This is your brain.............

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...to/alzado2.jpg

This is your brain on drugs.................

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...-steroids1.jpg

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But still an advantage.
Nowadays, I would completely agree, but remember steroids haven't been illegal but for a few decades. I'm not condoning the use of steroids in baseball, I just fail to see the huge outrage by everyone at Bonds, Sammy, and McGwire. I think the biggest outrage of the whole steroid era is that the big names that have come out are not Yankees. Like someone else said in this thread earlier, where's all the disgust and rage against A-Rod?

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Dang Yankees haters. Always boils down to that.:r

You don't have a Yankees player breaking a record such as that of Marris or Aaron. I think that is clearly what has brought light to the three names you mention. I bet if a Yankee was in their place, breaking said records, on steroids, the same outrage would hold true.

I think that as a diehard Yankees fan since 1967, I have exhibited that outrage in this thread.

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It does always boil down to that!:r

And just for the sake of argument...
Pete Rose set records without using steroids. Therefore he needs to be in the HOF.;)

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I would agree with that.
What he did was stupid but in the grand scheme of things, certainly not something that should stop Pete, the player, from being in the hall of fame.
Charlie Hustle.

He owned a restaurant here in Boca when we first moved down about 14 years ago and we saw him there any night of the week you went. He ran his radio show from a booth he had set up dead center in the restaurant. Did quite well and was always packed. Have never figured out why they closed it down.
if you bought a Sundae Ice cream, it came in a baseball cap. If you asked for the reds, Pete would sign it for you. Got a few of those plastic cups/caps signed.

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So much to say.....

If and when A-Rod is approaching and breaking Bond's career HR record, there will be a lot of disgust toward A-Rod. The reason there is so much disgust towards McGuire & Sosa is baseball marketed and people bought into the home run chase that year "bringing us back to baseball". It worked, we're back and a lot of people now feel they were duped. Rightfully so.

As for the question You're kidding, right? Of course steroids gives the user a competitive advantage over the non-user. Not everyone "has a choice" because not everyone is morally wired the same. To suggest that the non-user had a choice to use them is silly to me. Morally, they had no choice. (I hope that makes sense! :r)

As for McGuire's admission, it was CRAP. He's trying to sell a BS story that the roids didn't help him become a better hitter, it just helped him heal faster. He can't possibly believe that. He went from 1 HR every 14 AB to 1 HR every 7 AB, not because of steroids, but because of a shortened swing and better discipline. :r :r :r Who does he think he is fooling? :td The outcry, IMHO, wouldn't be as severe had he not tried to sell that BS

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I don't buy that. Some people think that baseball is immoral (Lou Gherig's mother). They can't even play the sport b/c of their morals. So those of us who think that baseball and sports in general are not immoral have an unfair advantage over those who will not participate based on their morals b/c we chose to play over those who chose not to play.

And even the most morally sound people make bad decisions.

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Uh, by the way; it's "Maris." Thank-you. Not surprising MM used the juice- I imagine a majority did. You're talking about enormous sums of money to be earned, and if the juice helped you get it.....

The sad thing is that kids are taking them because their heroes did, too. And, bottom line; they do work. When you're 25 and ready to sign for $100 million, the fact that you might die of cancer when you're 50 is far from important on your list.

I remember asking my doc if he thought andro might help me build muscle- "Yeah, but you'll also build liver cancer." No thanks. I do wonder if more juicing is still going on than generally acknowledged.

Remember Brady Anderson coming out of nowhere and having a 50HR season- and then basically vanishing? Hmmm....

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Every time I see the title of this thread I think:

http://importantshock.files.wordpres...8/macgyver.jpg


Ok, carry on, sorry for the interruption. :)

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He makes steroids out of a ball point pen, two pieces of twine, and a bent paper clip.;)

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This is my beef w/ why they take steroids. Not the unfair advantage part. Steroids are bad for your body, just ask Eddie Guerrero. And when the big guys do it, the young ones who look up to them think that it's ok to abuse their body. But the same can be said about Darryl Strawberry and cocaine.

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Could you imagine what he would have made if he was on steroids???


Or maybe he was. :sad

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:r:r:r

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Everyone makes bad decisions. No doubt about it. Everyone breaks the law to some extent (speeding for example). But what I interpretated from your statements is you feel everyone has a choice to do roids to compete with their counterparts since they are doing it. I think that's extremely unfair to those people who won't do them, be it for moral or future health reasons. Then you go on to say "the young ones who look up to them think that it's ok to abuse their body". Maybe I'm misunderstanding your first point, because on the one hand you're suggesting everyone can do it because they have the opportunity, then on the other hand saying it's a shame the young ones look up to them. Based on the first point I would have assumed you thought it okay for the young ones to do it too if everyone else was doing it. :confused::confused:

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Saying someone has the means to do something is totally different than saying it is right or wrong.

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I have to tell you, I just got a good laugh reading through your tips on alcohol and smoking on cruises. After your replies in this thread, I had you picked for a straight and narrow type. I think baseball may be one of the fews things we disagree on.:D:r
And Go Cards!!!!!!

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The only thing is that the pitchers were doing it and he crushed the balls they threw at him. There was no testing back then it was against the law of the United States not baseball. If he gets in to the HOF it is because The rest of the legue was doing it as well. IMO
Who cares about the past, move on.
PS he won't get in to the HOF for one reason, he only did one thing, he did it well mind you. He hit home runs. BA below 270, fielding was ok at best one gold glove That about sums it up. IMHO

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-steroids, I just don't buy into all the outrage that people feel about players in baseball using them. The Olympics, yes, but pro sports, no. I am against steroid use b/c of health reasons, not the unfair advantage reasons.
:tpd::tpd:

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I was about as surprised to hear this as the time Clay Aiken admitted he was gay.

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That is not true. The only crimes these really committed were taking perscribed drugs without a perscription. If they (all the players in question) admitted to that alone, Congress would have little to charge these guys on.

In the end MLB is just entertainment. Many make out to be something more than that, but it's not really.