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tuxpuff 10-15-2009 03:50 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 601505)
Made this yesterday as a birthday gift to a friend. I started it at 9:00 PM, refilled the charcoal at 5:00 AM and finished the 8 LB Butt around 10:30. The Boston baked beans finished around 11:30 AM with overnight soaked Navy beans. This is my first time cooking beans under the butt and it worked well. There's enough juice and fat to cook the beans uncovered! I trimmed a little off the butt and put in the beans at start. Quite happy with the results with both.

I used Kingsford Competition with about 10 cinamon sticks and about 5 chunks of local applewood.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...l/photo-46.jpg

Looks amazing! :tu

mosesbotbol 10-15-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by steve (Post 601557)
:tu:tu

I really like to do my beans under the butt like that. One thing that I didn't mention is that I cut way back on the salt that I use in the beans. I have enough salt in my run that drips off the butt that it makes the beans way too salty if I don't. But I really like the flavor my "butt drippins'" give my beans :ss

That's what I thought would happen and I did not add any salt to the beans.

Steve 10-16-2009 06:47 AM

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:tu:tu :dr

Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 601723)
That's what I thought would happen and I did not add any salt to the beans.


mosesbotbol 10-16-2009 07:04 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
I measure out the salt per pound of food and then add spices and herbs before mulling them together. That way, I make sure the food is well seasoned (salt being the most important) and there's no left over's. Generally, I'll do slightly less than half tablespoon of salt per pound, and then about 50% the total salt as the other seasoning.

I started off with pat dry skinned butt with Worcestershire sauce, then dry rub, followed by a mixture of maple syrup, molasses, and distilled vinegar rubbed on last. I'll let the butt air dry either outside on in fridge. Since it was in the 40's, I left the butt in the WSM for 4 hours before starting it up.

I'd like to get a meat injector. I keep breaking them, but never bought a high end one. I'd love to inject a spice/garlic puree around the bone.

T.G 10-17-2009 06:44 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Decided to experiment.

Sweet pie pumpkin, rubbed with brown sugar, nutmeg, cinnamon, a dash of cumin and a dash of chili powder. About half a chimney of fully lit k-briqs + 2 small chunks of mesquite and 3 cinnamon sticks per Moses's recommendation earlier in the thread.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/71/...mpkinstart.jpg

I'm guessing it'll take about an hour and a half before I know if this was a good idea or an express lane to culinary hell.

T.G 10-17-2009 09:00 PM

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http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/165...umpkindone.jpg


Well, not exactly culinary hell, more like culinary purgatory...

Not horrible, but not that good either.

Very smokey flavor, a tad dry (not bad though), not sweet enough. Cumin might have been a mistake too, not sure. Maybe more sugar would have balanced it out.

Need to figure out how to get more sugar to stick to them next time and also I need to use a water pan in the smoker.

Could have also just been a crappy pumpkin - I'm not sure and it's hard to tell.


I'll drizzle some B-Grade maple syrup on one later and see how that tastes.

Roland of Gilead 10-18-2009 09:32 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Not really a smoker, but it works for me, well, until I get a Weber Smokey Mountain.

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/628047561_GN4Hw-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/628040028_rQmZF-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/628305563_uN7Ci-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/631298886_VTkzv-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/628306606_KvCMZ-L.jpg

-Mark.

jquirit 10-19-2009 12:06 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
It's what I do and it works well enough. Might require more maintenace than using a WSM but with a bit of care and effort, very good 'que can come outta it.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jquirit/August2007BBQ#

mosesbotbol 10-19-2009 06:12 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 604857)
Decided to experiment.

Sweet pie pumpkin, rubbed with brown sugar, nutmeg, cinnamon, a dash of cumin and a dash of chili powder. About half a chimney of fully lit k-briqs + 2 small chunks of mesquite and 3 cinnamon sticks per Moses's recommendation earlier in the thread.

What did you think of the cinamon smoke?

Maybe you could've wrapped the pumpkin in foil? Sounded like a good idea. Maybe direct grilling would've been better? I have no experience in cooking pumpkin.

T.G 10-19-2009 09:07 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roland of Gilead (Post 606532)
Not really a smoker, but it works for me, well, until I get a Weber Smokey Mountain.

-Mark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jquirit (Post 606639)
It's what I do and it works well enough. Might require more maintenace than using a WSM but with a bit of care and effort, very good 'que can come outta it.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jquirit/August2007BBQ#


Yup, same thing I'm doing.

LGT about half a dozen photos of the brick arrangement in my 22-1/2 OT spread across the page:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showth...t=21946&page=2

There's a few things it's limited on, but for the most part, does a very good job.

T.G 10-19-2009 09:18 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 606713)
What did you think of the cinamon smoke?

Maybe you could've wrapped the pumpkin in foil? Sounded like a good idea. Maybe direct grilling would've been better? I have no experience in cooking pumpkin.

In this case, I don't honestly know if I could tell what the cinnamon smoke did for the food or not. This was an experimental cook and I'll have to try the cinnamon smoke with something I'm more familiar with and something that doesn't already have cinnamon in the rub.

I've cooked pumpkin before, but only as an indirect grilling w/ mesquite lump charcoal, and that has worked out well.

Yeah, foil is probably necessary for the smoker or a water pan, or both.

I had a few people sample the pumpkin, and everyone seems to have about the same thoughts that it probably wasn't a very good/flavorful pumpkin to start with.

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 06:32 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
The cinamon is going to faint on the meat I think, but I love the smell of the smoke when it is burning. How much does 10 minutes of smoke on a 3 hour cook relate; maybe not much...

I like to take linguica from the store and put it on the smoker when I first start it up. It'll smoke the linguica enough in ten minutes to make it tast special without cooking it. Once the temps get about 150, I'll remove it

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 06:35 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Last night, I made a 4.85 standing rib roast. I had two ribs and I think was 4-7 rib cut? Stop and Shop had them on sale for $4.99 an lb!

I cooked this in the WSM with nothing in the water pan. I think it is better for chicken and beef without water as it's too hard to get a crust on something that only cooks two hours with a water pan. The roast came out really good. Pulled it off at 125 degrees. I am not expert in choking the heat so much without water. I was worried it may go out, but with beef, it does not have to be in the smoke zone really. The same with chicken too.

Smokin Gator 10-20-2009 07:43 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 608423)
Last night, I made a 4.85 standing rib roast. I had two ribs and I think was 4-7 rib cut? Stop and Shop had them on sale for $4.99 an lb!

I cooked this in the WSM with nothing in the water pan. I think it is better for chicken and beef without water as it's too hard to get a crust on something that only cooks two hours with a water pan. The roast came out really good. Pulled it off at 125 degrees. I am not expert in choking the heat so much without water. I was worried it may go out, but with beef, it does not have to be in the smoke zone really. The same with chicken too.

MMMMMmmm... beef!!! I love doing prime rib on the smoker. I usually sear them first on a hot grill and them throw then on the smoker.

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 05:18 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 608481)
I usually sear them first on a hot grill and them throw then on the smoker.

Do you use a water pan when smoking? If smoked with a dry pan, roasts get perfect crust never saw an advantage to searing first. My one attempt on a previous rib roast with the water pan, the crust never happened. It takes 4+ hours for the bark to form with a water pan.

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 05:20 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Has anyone smoked a lamb shoulder?

Steve 10-20-2009 05:32 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 609324)
Do you use a water pan when smoking? If smoked with a dry pan, roasts get perfect crust never saw an advantage to searing first. My one attempt on a previous rib roast with the water pan, the crust never happened. It takes 4+ hours for the bark to form with a water pan.

When I used my old water smoker, I usually pu playground sand in it. Very rarely was any liquid used.

Smokin Gator 10-20-2009 05:36 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 609324)
Do you use a water pan when smoking? If smoked with a dry pan, roasts get perfect crust never saw an advantage to searing first. My one attempt on a previous rib roast with the water pan, the crust never happened. It takes 4+ hours for the bark to form with a water pan.

I haven't used a water pan for years... Once I thought about the physics of it... you are using a lot of energy to keep that water steaming and it isn't going above 212 or so. The smokers I use are pretty tight so the environment should be plenty moist.

I just like really thick bark. I eat my steaks charred/rare if that gives you any idea:D

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 07:51 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steve (Post 609341)
When I used my old water smoker, I usually pu playground sand in it. Very rarely was any liquid used.

Going to the Cape next weekend and will get a bucket of sand. Been meaning to get some for a while.

I should be able to choke my smoker more without worry.

mosesbotbol 10-20-2009 07:56 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 609346)
I haven't used a water pan for years... Once I thought about the physics of it... you are using a lot of energy to keep that water steaming and it isn't going above 212 or so. The smokers I use are pretty tight so the environment should be plenty moist.

I just like really thick bark. I eat my steaks charred/rare if that gives you any idea:D

The water pan is acting like a choke on the heat to make it easier to keep it steady. My old offset smoker did not need a water pan at all. The fire was far enough way to keep lit ow, but not as tight as the WSM.

T.G 10-22-2009 11:19 AM

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Scored a 4.61lb 7-bone chuck roast for $5.71 at Safeway the other day...

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/678...ast1002325.jpg
Going into the BBQ.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/391...ast1002326.jpg
About 2 to 2-1/2 hours in, just prior to foiling

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/191...ast1002328.jpg
After cooking about another 2 hours in foil

(continued in next post)

T.G 10-22-2009 11:24 AM

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(continuing from previous post due to 5 image limit)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1...ast1002329.jpg
An effortless first tug...

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/290...ast1002332.jpg
This roast almost fell apart on it's own.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/135...ast1002333.jpg
With a little bit of cheese, some chipotle salsa and ground fresh red jalapenos on a tortilla.

Darrell 10-22-2009 11:25 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
That looks good, Adam. :)

Smokin Gator 10-22-2009 01:07 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Chuck roasts are one of my absolute favorite things with which to grace my smoker!! The results are great eaten pulled... but like you did... it makes unreal Mexican style food.

tuxpuff 10-22-2009 09:04 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Very nice Adam! I've got to try one of those!

mosesbotbol 10-24-2009 09:06 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 612394)
Scored a 4.61lb 7-bone chuck roast for $5.71 at Safeway the other day...

Wow, that looks good. What was your total cooking time? Both unfoiled and foiled?

I've wondered about doing chuck roasts on the smoker instead of the crock pot.

Next on my list is a lamb shoulder. There's a Paki place down the street from me that sells them (and goat) to everyone in Boston. $4.99 a pound.

Has any one done lamb shoulder or goat in the smoker?

T.G 10-24-2009 10:22 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Thanks all.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 615913)
Wow, that looks good. What was your total cooking time? Both unfoiled and foiled?

I've wondered about doing chuck roasts on the smoker instead of the crock pot.

Next on my list is a lamb shoulder. There's a Paki place down the street from me that sells them (and goat) to everyone in Boston. $4.99 a pound.

Has any one done lamb shoulder or goat in the smoker?

Thanks bro.

Cooking time was short - about 2 to 2.5 hours on the grate (until it hit 140 internal), followed by about 2 hours in foil (about 170-180 internal). Ran high heat, so about 300-325 the whole time.

I based it on some concepts in this thread:
http://tvwbb.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a...5?r=4250080745
plus, about 8 hours before I tossed it on the smoker, I covered it with Worcestershire sauce and one of my rubs and sealed it back up in saran wrap and stuck it back in the refirigerator.

Smokin Gator 10-25-2009 05:35 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 615913)

Has any one done lamb shoulder or goat in the smoker?

I've done both. Well, actually I haven't done lamb because we cook full grown sheep. Goat is really good. The mutton (sheep) has a strong taste to it. Some people don't care for it. Those are the only two meats that I use a mop on. You probably don't have to, but I always do.

Smokin Gator 10-25-2009 05:39 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 615913)
What was your total cooking time? Both unfoiled and foiled?

A chuckie is the same cut as a pork butt and the times are about the same. I cook at lower temps (220 or so) and figure about 1 1/2 hours per pound. It will hold in a cooler for hours though so you want to give yourself plenty of time.

I cook to 170 internal, then foil until the internal is 195 - 200 and a probe goes in with little resistance.

T.G 10-25-2009 10:56 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 616128)
A chuckie is the same cut as a pork butt and the times are about the same. I cook at lower temps (220 or so) and figure about 1 1/2 hours per pound. It will hold in a cooler for hours though so you want to give yourself plenty of time.

I cook to 170 internal, then foil until the internal is 195 - 200 and a probe goes in with little resistance.

That would have been my preferred way of cooking it, but I was running short on time, so I gave the high heat cook a try, figuring "What the heck, if it doesn't work, I'm only out less than $6" and it worked. I figured that if I waited for the higher internal tempratures, at the higher cook tempratures, I'd end up with shoe leather.

Something else to note, I don't have a temprature probe at the grate level, I just have a simple aftermarket charbroil thermometer (about $8 at home depot) that I drilled a hole in the lid for and mounted about 2" off the grate surface, under the vent (a bit to the side of the lid hook - and just above it so that when I use the lid hook, I don't catch the thermometer tip). So I don't know exactly how much temprature difference there is from that point to where the meat is sitting.

mosesbotbol 10-25-2009 11:08 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 616128)
A chuckie is the same cut as a pork butt and the times are about the same. I cook at lower temps (220 or so) and figure about 1 1/2 hours per pound. It will hold in a cooler for hours though so you want to give yourself plenty of time.

I cook to 170 internal, then foil until the internal is 195 - 200 and a probe goes in with little resistance.

What about the Goat or Lamb Shoulder at 225ish, is it still 1.5 hours a pound or less?

Smokin Gator 10-25-2009 07:00 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 616365)
What about the Goat or Lamb Shoulder at 225ish, is it still 1.5 hours a pound or less?

Hmm... about the same amount of connective tissue... so I would figure on that. I really think it will be less though. Just remember... if it gets done early make sure it is wrapped tightly in foil and put it in a cooler. Use old towels to take up the extra space and it will hold for hours.

Scothew 10-25-2009 09:24 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
It wont overcook itself like that Gator? Im a newb smoker so please forgive my dumbness :)

T.G 10-25-2009 11:04 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 616944)
Hmm... about the same amount of connective tissue... so I would figure on that. I really think it will be less though. Just remember... if it gets done early make sure it is wrapped tightly in foil and put it in a cooler. Use old towels to take up the extra space and it will hold for hours.

I've never done lamb on the smoker/q but I've done it on the grill and my instinct agrees with you on that it will take less than 1.5 hours/lb.

I'd be guessing if I said by how much less though.

Smokin Gator 10-26-2009 04:28 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scothew (Post 617195)
It wont overcook itself like that Gator? Im a newb smoker so please forgive my dumbness :)


If you mean being wrapped in foil and put in a cooler... I will say sort of!!! If I am holding it for an hour then I cook to the internal I want and don't worry about it. The juices are redistributing and I think it really helps the meat in the end.

If I am holding for longer than an hour then I will take it to just a little lower internal temp, like 5 degrees, and then put it in the cooler.

mosesbotbol 10-26-2009 07:03 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by T.G (Post 617423)
I've never done lamb on the smoker/q but I've done it on the grill and my instinct agrees with you on that it will take less than 1.5 hours/lb.

I'd be guessing if I said by how much less though.

Cooking lamb on grill and smoker are quite different. Grill is almost twice as hot.

Scothew 10-26-2009 07:04 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Thanks Brent, that totally answers my thoughts.

T.G 10-26-2009 11:25 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 617650)
Cooking lamb on grill and smoker are quite different. Grill is almost twice as hot.

I know.

Point being was that I'm agreeing with gator.

tuxpuff 10-28-2009 07:53 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Smokin Gator...I finally got around to trying out the rubs you sent...they were EXCELLENT! Great balance of flavor. Here's the damage from this past weekend...

http://www.internetarmy.com/cigars/img_0704.jpg

http://www.internetarmy.com/cigars/img_0708.jpg

http://www.internetarmy.com/cigars/img_0712.jpg

mosesbotbol 10-28-2009 08:22 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tuxpuff (Post 620802)
Smokin Gator...I finally got around to trying out the rubs you sent...they were EXCELLENT! Great balance of flavor. Here's the damage from this past weekend...

How many people were you feeding?

tuxpuff 10-28-2009 08:26 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Well the butts were on sale so I stocked up. 1 was for the football game (5 people)...one for a birthday party later on in the day...and 1 I just pulled and put into individual serving sized baggies to freeze.

T.G 10-28-2009 09:46 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tuxpuff (Post 620802)
smokin gator...i finally got around to trying out the rubs you sent...they were excellent! Great balance of flavor. Here's the damage from this past weekend...

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Nice!

Smokin Gator 10-28-2009 10:09 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Dang those look good!!!! Glad you liked the rub.

tuxpuff 11-02-2009 11:00 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
More of Smokin Gator's wings...soooooo good!

http://www.internetarmy.com/cigars/img_0784.jpg

http://www.internetarmy.com/cigars/img_0785.jpg

mosesbotbol 11-02-2009 11:26 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Cooked a 8.5 lb hotel style turkey yesterday. Did without the water pan and it came out fantastic! Perfect color like Gator's wing picture and so moist.

I am suprised how much of 4 people ate. Barely any leftover's for tonight :-(

This is my first turkey on the WSM and thought practice run before T-day was in order. Ya right, I am just a sucker for turkey and will make as much as I can.

Opusfxd 11-03-2009 01:01 AM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Did a 6# pork butt and a 4# brisket to take to work for a mid shift go live thing Sunday. It was well received with everyone trying a Carolina Mustard sauce I make and loving it.

mosesbotbol 11-08-2009 05:17 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Opusfxd (Post 629036)
Did a 6# pork butt and a 4# brisket to take to work for a mid shift go live thing Sunday.

What do the numbers refer to?

Smokin Gator 11-08-2009 05:45 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 637074)
What do the numbers refer to?

The weight. Six pound pork butt and a four pound brisket.

Smokin Gator 11-08-2009 05:47 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
I did nine racks of ribs and a huge pan of Hog Apple beans today for a family get together. I can't wait for the EYH2!!!

Darrell 11-08-2009 05:49 PM

Re: What's in your smoker?
 
You must spend an ungodly amount on meat, Brent. :r


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