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I concur with the dog suggestion.

Also, I haven't seen it mentioned, but most of the professional home alarm systems have "panic buttons" that can be activated in emergencies, if things get really out of hand. Some of them even have direct in-home audio monitoring which links to a dispatch center so that the alarm company can silently listen in and send whatever help (fire, ambulance, police) is needed at the time.

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Please help me understand the dog option. Unless it's a trained attack dog I wouldn't want to count on a dog.

Don't get me wrong I love dogs and have two.

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+1. Dogs generally won't bite on a consistent basis unless trained to do so.

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Albert,the alternative is her being hurt or worse.

Non lethal means will probably only piss the loonytoon off more.
When and if he gets out,she needs to be packing heat and not a 22cal.

:2

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Thank you guys for the advice!

First, the cameras are back in operation and she has filed the restraining order, the police and even the magistrate have been very supportive so far so those protections are in place.

A dog is an option but this guy would be the kind to figure out a way to poison it before making an attack, though he is disturbed and obviously an idiot, his acts seem to be somewhat thought out.

My FIL has shotguns and at least one handgun (a .38 and he isn't afraid to use them) but I think she is scared of them. After talking to my wife, I think if we found her a compact or subcompact automatic it and sent her to some training she would feel much more comfortable. I am also afraid of her in a close quarters attack with a tazer

He actually lives there with his girlfriend and they own the house so no chance of a landlord but if he stays in jail long enough maybe it will foreclose. She also told my MIL and police he is not welcome back but who knows how she'll act if comes begging back. Since they have come forward many other neighbors have been able to possibly link him to thefts and 2 B&Es, one where he lost his shoe. If the judge allows a search warrant he may be looking at much more serious charges.

She is out today to retain a lawyer to define her rights so I will keep you posted

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Any thoughts on the Glock 36, seems slim enough and a .45

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Yeah, I unfortunately had a childhood friend go loony (bipolar disease and refuses to take his meds) and he flipped out on a female cop while naked. She ended up pepper spraying him and then shoot him 6 times. I wasn't there and there were no witnesses, but the police report stated that he was still fighting with the officer until he went unconscious. He survived and I've since seen him and talked with him around the old neighborhood, but he is certified crazy. His parents ended up moving from the city out of fear of their own son, because he turned on them a few times (once while they were sleeping).

If this guy is certified crazy, the non-lethal option, may not be the best option for your MIL.

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And now she has to spend money to defend her rights. It's a sad world. :sad

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good gun, reliable, will go bang every time you pull the trigger, and you can swap in smaller cal barrels for cheaper practice.

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Rock Solid Albert,that goes for most all Glocks.

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Prefer a Springfield Armory in 45 with a laser sight but that might be too much recoil for a second shot. She needs to find something she is comfortable shooting and can get a second and third shot on target. I hope that things work out ok.:tu

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:tpd: All Glocks are great :dance:

Where is the gun smiley?

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I tend to avoid glock, go with Sprinfield Armory, Kimber, HK or Sig Sauer :)

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:tpd:

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I agree Al, hell they have already had to buy cameras after living there for almost 40 years, replace all the stuff he broke, he even stole the hubcaps off their '94 Toyota Camry, the first damage to that car ever (15 years and hardly a scratch). They have had to replace flowers and shrubs that were torn up by dingleberry, all these things prompted the cameras because without proof the police could not do anything.

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Get her to carry then use the Chuck Taylor rules: 2 in the chest 1 in the head.

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A handgun would be my choice but possibly not a good choice for your MIL. Most women have trouble racking the slide on a semi-auto and a Glock 36 (45 ACP) might be a bit much in the recoil department for her due to it's light weight. A revolver is simpler for newcomer's to start with but the trigger pull on some D.A. revolver's is pretty heavy. My wife can shoot my little Kahr CW9 (9mm double action, very concealable semi-auto) but has trouble with the double action trigger on my Ruger SP101 (.357/.38 Special). She can't come close to racking the slide on the Kahr, though. If your MIL gets interested in a handgun, I'd recommend a 9mm. The S&W M&P semi-auto 9mm is a pretty soft shooter and has adjustable grip inserts to accommodate different hands of different sizes. 9mm defensive loads have come a long way and pretty much close the gap between handgun calibers, IMO. A miss with a 45 isn't as good as a few hits with a 9mm (Speer 124 gr Gold Dots, for instance.)

Shooting any handgun well requires a commitment to learn the manual of arms and to practice on a regular basis. As has been pointed out, even police officer's with training have trouble hitting accurately when the pressure is on. It would be great if you could get her interested in shooting but, even if this happens, she still has a lot to overcome if she's worried about shooting someone.

I like the idea of a well trained dog. For in the house, a 20 gauge shotgun would probably be better if she will not commit to handgun training but she would still need to train with the shotgun. Having a shotgun outside while gardening would be a problem, IMO. She might want to give up outside activities until things settle down.

I sure hope everything works out. No one should have these kinds of worries in their own home.

WyoBob

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Why do you avoid Glock?

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if you need a lawyer just let me know, i have family in ATL that are lawyers. might be able to get you someone cheap or free. just shoot me an email if you need names.

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Ha I gotta get the job first, and its my Italian heritage coming out. I would never do that of course ;)

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Perry dislikes weapons that are extremely reliable, go bang every time, and are ugly.



He also has "issues" with tupperware.....He was force to go to too many parties as a child, and those freezie pop things never worked out for him.

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Take her to the gun store. Give her every Glock under the counter and which ever one fits best get it. There will be one that fits in her hand like it was made for her. Mine happen to be the 17/19. Then have her train with it. Glocks are the most user friendly pistols out there. No decocker, no safety just bang and that is what you need. when the chips are down and you are fighting for your life you dont need an extra variable to worry about (ie external safety.)

-Zach

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24" telescoping billy club. easily snap an arm with one wack

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*shivers*

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This actually sounds like a pretty good idea. With a remote alarm loud enough to wake the dead and bring out the neighbors, unless he's really off the deep end, he would probably turn tail and run. If not, then she could resort to the lethal force as a back-up plan. :2

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They have panic buttons and glass breaks and the works, the issue is that she more fears being in the yard which she spends 90% of her day working on, it is her pride and joy

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I was thinking of something with a remote that she could keep with her in the yard and set off if he sets foot on her property. A good dog would alert her to his presence so she could tend her yard and not constantly keep looking over shoulder.

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what about an electric fence with barbed wire on the top?

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Didn't think of that I will find out about those tomorrow

That would not be a bad idea either as long as the law doesn't consider it a trap

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:hm thats my problem I only think of half the details.

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Maybe if we get a bull :hm

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If I had some free time I could visit for a short while ;)

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Shoot n herf?

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thinking non-lethal. crow bar, lead pipe, pepper spray, gasoline and a fire extinguisher

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You are welcome anytime brother

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thank you, is there a good lake near by?

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We could find one :tu

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only if we could see the terror in his eyes as life slips away :ss

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:tu

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This has been a very informative thread for me, thank you all. OP, I wish you and yours all the best with this fella. My brother's bipolar, never takes his meds either, so I've heard a lot of and seen a little of what mental illness and/or drinking can do.

Thanks also to Hippi3Slay3r for mentioning that Taurus. When I'm of age, I just might look into the Judge, or its next version if Taurus expands on it at all.

A well-informed citizen is a well-armed citizen, and vice-versa.

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If you are really considering the expense of an electric fence? Why not just hire Wackenhut to put a guy on a stool with a .45 in you MIL's yard?

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have we ruled out a mine field and a flame thrower?

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And don't forget a Backhoe to "clean up" the "mess" :r

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Electric bull fence top wires only run about $100, but no that is not an option we were considering. However the wackenhut idea isn't bad either :hm

Mine field might get the cats but flame thrower is still on the table

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One thing to keep in mind about a firearm. In many cases it winds up being used against the owner, they hesitate to use it or do not know how to use it thus allowing the attacker to get to close. I reccomend pepper spray, I carry sabre brand which also has a uv dye and tear gas. Someone also said the stuff from fox labs, I do not have first hand experience with this brand, but I purchased the fox labs mean green. This stuff has an actual green dye that will make identification possible for a couple days. Pepper spray is cheap, but you still have to know it and understand it (be on the right side of the wind, how to work the safety and the distance of the spray).

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Actually, that is the old standard used by law enforcement....35 feet is the accepted standard today.

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just have Tom come over and stay a while, at least he looks mean on the outside. :tu