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Stephen 12-01-2012 04:52 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.

Gophernut 12-01-2012 05:22 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Saw on the ESPN crawl, that a preliminary count of votes showed that Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa did not get in.

bvilchez 12-01-2012 07:06 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
The unfortunate part of those steroid users on the current list is that I believe, IMO, that without the substances they took they still would have been extraordinary players. I don't know if they would have been putting up numbers like they did but their performance would have still been superb enough to get them inducted.

icehog3 12-01-2012 07:36 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
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Originally Posted by bvilchez (Post 1758057)
The unfortunate part of those steroid users on the current list is that I believe, IMO, that without the substances they took they still would have been extraordinary players. I don't know if they would have been putting up numbers like they did but their performance would have still been superb enough to get them inducted.
Agreed, Jay,

mase 12-01-2012 08:28 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever. I think he makes it.

icehog3 12-01-2012 10:01 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1758002)
Omitting Clemens and Bonds (who to me are first ballot HOF guys) the only two I would vote for would be Biggio and Piazza.
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Originally Posted by mase (Post 1758104)
Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever. I think he makes it.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/doh-1.jpg

dozer 12-04-2012 11:27 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
I'd be surprised if Bagwell didn't juice, yet he will most likely get in at some point. I just don't see how you can keep Bonds out when there will be users that eventually slide through.

Stephen 12-05-2012 09:02 AM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
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Originally Posted by dozer (Post 1759614)
I'd be surprised if Bagwell didn't juice, yet he will most likely get in at some point. I just don't see how you can keep Bonds out when there will be users that eventually slide through.
Yep. Completely stupid. Ditto for Clemens. The best pitcher and the best everyday player from this generation and neither one will be in the HOF (anytime soon at least) because of speculation.

The Poet 12-05-2012 12:58 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
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Originally Posted by mase (Post 1758104)
Surprised no one mentioned Piazza. Greatest offensive catcher ever.
And possibly the worst defensive catcher ever too, so there's that also. :tu



:D

dozer 12-05-2012 11:17 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Despite his shortcomings defensively, Piazza deserves to be in...I am still holding out for Edgar as a dh...

jonumberone 01-08-2013 06:28 AM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
The ballot results will be announced tomorrow @ 2PM ET

Gophernut 01-09-2013 12:03 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
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Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1777819)
The ballot results will be announced tomorrow @ 2PM ET
Nobody gets in. Interesting.

kelmac07 01-09-2013 12:09 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Come on now...not one person?? I guess the writers are holding everyone that played in the "sterioid era" hostage. I, for one, completely disagree with this decision. BOOOO!!!

Gophernut 01-09-2013 12:13 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
I agree Mac, I thought that Biggio, Piazza, and Morris should have gotten in.

E.J. 01-09-2013 01:56 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Not surprised & not even sure I am disappointed. It will be interesting to see if the big names get in later. There is something to be said for being a first ballot guy and you knew because of their history, they weren't going to be FBG's.

I thought Biggio may slide in.

Next year they'll get some 1st ballot guys.....

E.J. 01-09-2013 02:02 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Those mentioning Piazza, I had always assumed he was a juicer....and don't think I'm alone. Though he isn't Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Clemens et. al., I think he gets lumped in with the PED guys.

jonumberone 01-09-2013 05:55 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Interesting results, indeed.
The writers set out to send a message.
I'm not really sure how I feel about this.
One thing is for certain, I am starting to dislike these writers (not just in baseball) who vote.
They use "integrity of the game" as the main reason to keep guys out!
Then they use these ballots to settle grudges and personal vendettas.
Where's the integrity in that? :confused:


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The BBWAA election rules say: "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

icehog3 01-09-2013 07:20 PM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonumberone (Post 1778751)
They use "integrity of the game" as the main reason to keep guys out!
Then they use these ballots to settle grudges and personal vendettas.
Where's the integrity in that? :confused:
Couldn't agree with you more, Dom. :tu

VirtualSmitty 01-10-2013 05:18 AM
Re: 2013 MLB Hall of Fame ballot
 
Craig Biggio
Don Mattingly
Bernie Wiliams

Stephen 01-10-2013 07:10 AM
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I couldn't have said it any better myself...


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