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Bunker 12-08-2010 04:51 AM
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I think another small contributor could be all the talk of taxing pipe tobacco the same as cigarette tobacco (to get all those scofflaw roll-your-own guy using pipe tobacco in their cigarettes).

One of the attractions of the pipe, at least for me, is the cost savings compared to smoking 2-3 cigars a day.

Yes, I do enjoy Stonehaven but given the choise if eventhing else is equal I would still rather smoke a cigar.

Blueface 12-08-2010 05:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashcan Bill (Post 1085920)
I don't know about another boom Dave, but I can see a potential increase in NC reviews on the horizon. :lr
:r
Was thinking the very same.

Padron is going to love my wallet all over again.

RevSmoke 12-08-2010 05:32 AM
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So, what have I missed that leads you all to think there will be another boom? What cigar events are these?

Lived through the first one, saw the prices rise and then fall a little bit, but nowhere near where they were previously - they are nearly doubled where they were pre-boom.

If that happens again, I may give up cigars altogether.

longknocker 12-08-2010 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 1086176)
So, what have I missed that leads you all to think there will be another boom? What cigar events are these?

Lived through the first one, saw the prices rise and then fall a little bit, but nowhere near where they were previously - they are nearly doubled where they were pre-boom.

If that happens again, I may give up cigars altogether.
Don't Do That, Todd!:sad

landhoney 12-08-2010 08:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1086103)
Perhaps the powers that be will realize, seeing the influx of Cuban cigars into Chicago over a two week period, the potential for tax revenue that can be generated, and might be a small push toward ending the embargo for economic gain?
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Originally Posted by docdoty (Post 1086111)
I sure hope that's what happens, Tom.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1086117)
We can only hope.....we can only hope.
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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1086124)
I know it is a BIG stretch....but I am hoping to bring some calm to the panicking masses.
And then they'll tax a bit more, and a bit more, and a bit more, and then we'll all be smoking $20 Parti Shorts.....and then back to smuggling. :r

BloodSpite 12-08-2010 08:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RevSmoke (Post 1086176)
So, what have I missed that leads you all to think there will be another boom? What cigar events are these?

Lived through the first one, saw the prices rise and then fall a little bit, but nowhere near where they were previously - they are nearly doubled where they were pre-boom.

If that happens again, I may give up cigars altogether.
I'm with you sadly. With 3 gas, rising cost on everything currently cigars are a *affordable* hobby/pleasure. If the price goes up, the cost associated greatly reduces the pleasure value, at least that's my view from the cheap seats ;)
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Mugen910 12-08-2010 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ninjavanish (Post 1085721)
Opening Cuba will certainly almost have to be a part of it.
I disagree...I think Dan's theory of having the combo of social and economic situations will make the big difference. If there is another boom it will have to stem from a surplus $ and how the job market is imho.


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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1085856)
A couple of us who remember the boom in the 90's were talking with Jonathan Drew and Pete Johnson about this subject about a month ago when we were down in Nicaragua. We kind of all agreed that yeah, we're kind of starting or even in one right now, but it's different, it's not like the flash in the pan boom of the 90's, more like a renewed interest and along with it, a demand for new, QUALITY products. The 90's you could roll up floor sweepings with sawdust and stuff it inside a cooked wrapper and sell it for $300 a box. One could say that this was due to tobacco shortages, but the reality was, people were still buying the sawdust in a cooked wrapper and thinking it was the most bomb-ass cigar on the market. Now, today, no one will tolerate that - people will pay the premiums, but not for crap. Too much good stuff out there to set the benchmark by. Crap will die on the vine pretty quick and end up in the CI 30-buck bonanza page.

Part of this is the internet and the availability of information to consumers plus the ability to instantly compare prices and see reviews. Part of that is just the evolution of the consumer.

Today's consumers have more information at their disposal and word spreads much faster. What the modern boom will end up being remains to be seen, but whatever it is, it won't be the same.
I concur.

dannysguitar 12-08-2010 09:42 AM
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Interesting thread. I don't know what to think...

icehog3 12-08-2010 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1086134)
Very big...
That's why I capitalized it. ;)

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Originally Posted by mariogolbee (Post 1086138)
Tom, you have soothed this savage beast.;)
My work here is done! :wo

T.G 12-08-2010 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1086424)
That's why I capitalized it. ;)
Si senior Hog.

icehog3 12-08-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1086436)
Si senior Hog.
Es la verdad!!

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/senorhog.jpg

OLS 12-08-2010 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 68TriShield (Post 1085680)
With recent cigar related events, do those of you that remember the "cigar boom" of the mid nineties think there will be another?
I think it's sure booming at O'Hare this week. That's a herf I'd like to be at. We ned to do like those prison break
type movies where the truck get's knocked off halfway to the incinerator. I'm in, Tom's got the car, I have the
knockout gas.

icehog3 12-08-2010 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OLS (Post 1086647)
I think it's sure booming at O'Hare this week. That's a herf I'd like to be at. We ned to do like those prison break
type movies where the truck get's knocked off halfway to the incinerator. I'm in, Tom's got the car, I have the
knockout gas.
Initiate countdown......

It's 16 miles to Chicago. Brad and I got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.

Hit it.

68TriShield 12-08-2010 03:11 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHa_jqxnn4o

:D

Bill86 12-08-2010 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 68TriShield (Post 1086731)
:tu :tu

EPIC movie. Great scene.

gvarsity 12-08-2010 03:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1086103)
Perhaps the powers that be will realize, seeing the influx of Cuban cigars into Chicago over a two week period, the potential for tax revenue that can be generated, and might be a small push toward ending the embargo for economic gain?
Unfortunately opening Cuba is not about money it's about ideology and mobilized political groups which leads to real money as in campaign donations which trump tax revenues for most politicians. As long as Cuba is communist and the wealthy exiled Cubans are active in Republican politics it will be hard to sell much beyond limited relaxing of rules regarding Cuba. Maybe humanitarian aid and increased travel but unlikely they are going to open up to their only real export. We'll see but I would be surprised if it happened any time soon.

I think it is clear that if not a boom we are in a golden period for NC cigars. The number of new boutique brands bringing quality product with a whole variety of innovations and rediscovered traditions being released indicates real growth particularly considering the poor economy. It seems like it is more tobacco people with good product than people trying get on a trend make a quick buck with marketing like in the 90's.

I think the lack of taxation on internet purchases and the inherent dangers of states trying enforce sales tax make quality cigars much more affordable which is contributing the increase in cigar purchases. It is also unfortunately contributing to the demise of many B&M's. I don't know of a single B&M in my area that is not also selling wine & beer or something else other than tobacco besides a couple of outlet kinds of places.

icehog3 12-08-2010 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gvarsity (Post 1086742)
Unfortunately opening Cuba is not about money it's about ideology and mobilized political groups which leads to real money as in campaign donations which trump tax revenues for most politicians. As long as Cuba is communist and the wealthy exiled Cubans are active in Republican politics it will be hard to sell much beyond limited relaxing of rules regarding Cuba. Maybe humanitarian aid and increased travel but unlikely they are going to open up to their only real export. We'll see but I would be surprised if it happened any time soon.

I think it is clear that if not a boom we are in a golden period for NC cigars. The number of new boutique brands bringing quality product with a whole variety of innovations and rediscovered traditions being released indicates real growth particularly considering the poor economy. It seems like it is more tobacco people with good product than people trying get on a trend make a quick buck with marketing like in the 90's.

I think the lack of taxation on internet purchases and the inherent dangers of states trying enforce sales tax make quality cigars much more affordable which is contributing the increase in cigar purchases. It is also unfortunately contributing to the demise of many B&M's. I don't know of a single B&M in my area that is not also selling wine & beer or something else other than tobacco besides a couple of outlet kinds of places.
Agree with you on most all of it. The "tax revenue" idea was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. We were just discussing at breakfast how powerful the expatriate lobby was, how such a small group percentage wise wields such a powerful influence.

SNKBYT 12-08-2010 04:15 PM
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just saw the news clip about the O'Hare CC seizures (insert crying smiley here)

gvarsity 12-09-2010 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1086753)
Agree with you on most all of it. The "tax revenue" idea was more tongue-in-cheek than anything. We were just discussing at breakfast how powerful the expatriate lobby was, how such a small group percentage wise wields such a powerful influence.
It is amazing. Can't be more than 10-15 thousand core expats. Shows what you can do when you have money and are well connected and very focused.

It is a crazy tight community. I spent a week in Miami in the early 90's with a buddy of mine from college who's family was part of that community. All handshakes and backroom deals. I did get to meet the elder Padron son at the Padron Little Havana factory again via the side door. :) Got a bunch of X000 maduros for a buck a stick after watching the torceador roll em up.

Dunkel 12-09-2010 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 68TriShield (Post 1086152)
It's possible Tom but that will bring challenges for the Cuban producers imo.
Yep, challenges like making cigars that aren't so hard to draw, or have wrappers that look like they were drug through a knothole. (Ducking to avoid being pelted by rotten tomatoes thrown by CC fanboys) ;)


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