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mariogolbee 11-19-2014 11:36 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
So... today I started with seated rows and cable pull-downs to learn a little about my back. I also tried two different machines with iso-something-or-others which were said to target my entire back, shoulders, and biceps. With these back exercises I've learned that I really need to develop grip strength, because my hands and forearms seemed to take the blunt of the punishment.

In other words, I focused on my back today. I also got some curls and chest presses/push-ups in, though.

Adriftpanda 11-20-2014 12:46 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Good job, Mario.

One more day then I am off!

Heavy deads today followed by some more deads.

Deads 5x3
Halted deads 5x7
BB shrugs 3x12
Seated cable rows 3x12

Finished off with some abs.

icehog3 11-20-2014 01:16 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Nice job, Mario. :tu

Good dead day, Huy. :tu

My day off was today, International Chest Day in the AM.

Sancho 11-20-2014 02:43 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Nice job Mario and Huy!

I use a dynaflex powerball for forearms and grip strength, they run about 30$. It's just s gyro ball you spin up and have to react to keep going. Target market was rock climbers where forearm, grip and upper arm strength are critical.

dijit 11-20-2014 02:52 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mariogolbee (Post 2000232)
So... today I started with seated rows and cable pull-downs to learn a little about my back. I also tried two different machines with iso-something-or-others which were said to target my entire back, shoulders, and biceps. With these back exercises I've learned that I really need to develop grip strength, because my hands and forearms seemed to take the blunt of the punishment.

In other words, I focused on my back today. I also got some curls and chest presses/push-ups in, though.

Mario just a little something for thought while your grip strength develops. There are wrist straps you can wrap around the bar to assist in pulling motions. Dont become dependent on them though once the grip strength develops put them back in your bag. They should be about $20 a pair.

icehog3 11-20-2014 10:56 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Mario, these are the best (and most comfortable) wrist straps I have used:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sc...EBB110BD3298D3

International Chest Day....I had wicked insomnia last night so I decided to go light and do a rep day.

Incline bench 185, 205,225, 245, 265
Bench press 205, 235, 265, 225
Vertical bench 275, 295, 315, 275
Dips 4 sets to failure

Adriftpanda 11-21-2014 01:39 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Mario, wrist wraps are great to use but to build grip strength my best advice is to just not use them. One great exercise that hasn't been mention yet, "farmers walk."

Grab some semi heavy dumb bells,and just walk with the dumb bells in your hand. It will help your grip strength. Since you are starting out, I wouldn't recommend purchasing any wrist wraps or straps just yet. FWIW.

Volume leg day for me.

squats 4x6
front squats 3x8
close stance hack squats 3x10
db lunges 3x10
seated calve raises 3x15

This program has me doing 5 on 2 off but I had a nice late cheat meal, so I'll be doing some fasted cardio tomorrow morning.

icehog3 11-21-2014 01:30 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
I agree with Huy that not using wraps/straps is best (I haven;t used mine for a couple years), but just wanted you to get the best if you decide to try them, mario.

Had to take today off, second bout in 2 nights with insomnia. Hoping to get a good night of sleep tonight, and double up tomorrow.

Sancho 11-21-2014 07:13 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Mario, you should just shake hands with Tom till your grip strength improves ;)

Squats 5x5
Bench 5x5
Row 5x5

Had the place to myself tonight, feeling way better than my mid week slump.

Hope you can catch some z's Tom, I hate not being able to sleep.

I'll probably take the weekend of myself, had some knee pangs on my last squat set. I know I rolled forward on my fourth set at the end :sh

icehog3 11-21-2014 08:13 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Thanks, Chris. I'm gonna try. Hope the knee doesn't cause you any more grief.

icehog3 11-22-2014 02:36 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Back and shoulders today. Did some pre-fatigue with cables for back, then repped out the rows.

Cable pulldowns 200, 230, 250, 270, 290
T-bar rows 205, 225, 250, 270
Wide Barbell rows 205 x 4 sets
Barbell rows 225, 255, 275
Cable rows 240, 260, 280
Pullups 3 sets 14, 12, 10

Seated Military press 135, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195
Military press 3 sets @ 165

Felt great after a good nights sleep and a day off. Lots of protein in the plan for this evening.

Sancho 11-22-2014 05:28 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Looks like a great day for your back/shoulders Tom! Where was the pain level at this time around, based on your reports the last few days it seems like it's been pretty good the last week or two?

icehog3 11-23-2014 12:38 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
I think doing another body part (back) before I did shoulders helped, Chris, pain was dialed way down today. Might have to think about switching things up for a while and hitting shoulders on back day, or at least as a second body part instead of first in my workout.

Adriftpanda 11-23-2014 07:48 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
That's a good idea, Tom. Does it hurt when you push?

Entering my 3rd week of this program. Adjusting to it really well and the weights are feeling easier. Resting 2 days has helped me push so much more (knock on wood).

Flat bench (pause push) 5x3
Wide grip flat bench (touch and go) 3x6
Chest supported row 5x5
Neutral grip db press 4x8
Face pulls 3x15

superset bis and tri to finish it off.

icehog3 11-24-2014 12:57 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Only hurts on overhead pressing, Huy. Other push lifts are affected by the shoulder (altered range of motion, etc.), but not really painful.

Good deal that the new program is working well. :tu

Adriftpanda 11-24-2014 11:46 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Squat day

Heavy squats 5x3
Pause squats 3x8
Good mornings 3x10
Back extensions 3x15
Finished off with some core work for abs.

Taking tomorrow off because we will be driving down south after work.

icehog3 11-25-2014 01:09 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Good day, Huy.

Going to take an extra day off tomorrow after tough back to back hockey games. That will also give me incentive to double up Thursday and try the back and shoulders combo again.

Safe travels tomorrow, Huy.

Sancho 11-25-2014 08:47 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Safe travels Huy! Interested to see how combining it turns out Tom.

Squats 5x5
OHP 5x5
Deadlift 90, 135, 155 x5

Knee was much improved today

icehog3 11-25-2014 10:49 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Glad to hear the knee feels better, Chris. :tu

Adriftpanda 11-26-2014 07:45 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Seated OHP 4x6
Flat bench (pause push) 4x6
Wide grip lat pull down 3x10
Seated DB press (unilateral) 3x10
DB row 3x10

Finished off with super setting bicep and tricep. 3x10-12

icehog3 11-26-2014 08:07 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Chest day here too, Huy.

Bench press 225, 245, 265, 275, 295
Incline Bench 205, 225, 246, 265, 275
Verticalk Bench 250, 275, 295, 250
Dips (+45) 4 sets to failure

Adriftpanda 11-26-2014 08:42 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
I miss doing incline... Nice day Tom.

Sancho 11-26-2014 09:04 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Solid day Tom! Nice work!

icehog3 11-27-2014 12:06 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Thanks Chris! :)

Huy, no inclines on the current program, or are you having an issue?

Adriftpanda 11-27-2014 04:51 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
No incline on the current program. Its a power lifting program.

Heavy deadlift day.

Deadlift 5x3
Halted deadlift 3x7
BB shrugs 3x15
Seated v-grip row 3x10

finished off with some planks

icehog3 11-28-2014 08:30 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Did back yesterday. Gym was mobbed, couldn't get a barbell at the beginning so I did a crapload of cables to start again, not what I wanted but had to adapt.

Widle pulldowns 180, 200, 220, 250, 260
Narrow pulldowns 180, 200, 220, 240, 260
Cable rows 220, 240, 260, 270, 290
T-bar rows 225, 250, 270
Barbell rows 3 sets @ 185

Didn't get to try the shoulder combo, all the racks were taken. Hopefully all is back to normal starting today.

Adriftpanda 11-28-2014 11:15 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
So you at two pies yesterday? I think I matched you. Fasted training to burn off the pies and stuffing.

icehog3 11-28-2014 01:19 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Two pies on top of all those other bready carbs. Huy. :r

Quick shoulder and srm workout today. Did shoulders second, again, it seemed to help...but I was so low on sets, that might be it too. :r

Cambered bar curls 115, 125, 135, 145, 155
Preacher curls 160, 160, 145, 135
Seated Military Press 135, 155, 175, 185
Tricep presses 105, 115, 125, 115, 105, 95

Adriftpanda 11-28-2014 03:01 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Ahhhh leftovers for tonight. I'm going to try my best to pass on the jalapeno corn bread and all the other starchy stuff. No to pies :(

First time fasted training on this program, it wasn't easy. Volume day.

Squats 4x6
Front squats 4x6
Close stance hack squats 3x10
DB lunges 3x10

Giant set to end the day:
hanging leg raise, russian twist, and seated calve raises 5x10 w/no rest.

icehog3 11-28-2014 03:47 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Nice job on a fast, Huy.

No leftovers for me, my family killed it all. My 5 plateloads of turkey, potatoes, stuffing, corn and cranberries didn't help. :r

Sancho 11-29-2014 06:52 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Trying to kill a pie or two last night

Squats 5x5 plus some post fatigue
Bench 4-5x5 missed my program weight by one rep, I blame pie
Pendlay row 5x5

Might try and get back this afternoon but things were busy busy yesterday

icehog3 11-29-2014 10:04 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Stupid delicious pie. :mad:

Off day today, came down with a cold Thursday night so maybe it's a oood thing to be off. Hoping I feel better by tomorrow.

Adriftpanda 11-29-2014 10:32 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Off day as well for me. Late night run to Jack n Box :)

Sancho 11-30-2014 09:36 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Squats 5x5
OHP 4x5
Deadlift 3x5

Off day tomorrow, hope your feeling better Tom!

And Huy, it's been years since I've seen a jack in the box, maybe Florida was the last place I saw one of those establishments. Good times though!

icehog3 11-30-2014 11:48 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Thanks Chris, I am still battling and might even beat this one before it settles in my head or chest. Enjoy the off day.

Adriftpanda 12-01-2014 10:49 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Good day of heavy chest and some accessory work.

Flat bench 5x4
Wide grip bench 4x5
Chest supported row 5x5
Neutral grip DB press 3x10
Reverse delt flys 3x12

Superset some tri/bis

icehog3 12-01-2014 11:27 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Cold be damned, got in for some light back work

Bent Over Rows 185, 205, 225, 245, 265, 285
Wide grip pulldowns 200, 220, 240, 260, 285
Pullups 4 sets to failure

icehog3 12-02-2014 01:58 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Shoulder day....did the delt work with super high reps and extreme range of motion.

Seated Military Press 135, 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 165, 135

Shrugs 4 sets @ 275

That's it. I was gassed after about 160 reps on the presses.

Sancho 12-02-2014 07:40 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Can you do that Tom? Morning and afternoon :D

Glad your pushing through the cold as well, tis the season.

Huy, what's the difference between the wide grip and flat bench? Inside versus outside the rings? Same travel path tucking elbows slightly or are they 90* out?

Had a good one tonight, felt really good, maybe I got enough sleep or something :sh
Squats 5x5
Bench 5x5
Bent over row 5x5

Adriftpanda 12-02-2014 11:40 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Heavy squat day!

Squat 5x3
Pause squats 4x5
Good mornings 3x10
Back extensions 3x15 BW
Russian Twist 3x1minutes

Chris, the wide grip variation leads to a larger range of motion and increased control. Practicing a wider bench press grip increases torque and in turn, it will increase strength. Note that it's also more taxing on your shoulders than narrow grip. It's a movement most power lifters use.

icehog3 12-03-2014 01:11 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Cambered bar curls 125, 135, 145, 155, 165, 175
Barbell curls wide grip 95, 105, 155, 125
Barbell Curls close grip 2 sets @ 110
Preacher Curls 135, 155, 155, 135
Skull crushers 115, 135, 155, 175
Cable pushdowns 5 sets @ 125, 105

Adriftpanda 12-04-2014 12:06 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Smash them!

Press and pull day. Still really sore from Monday, may need to do 2 on 1 off, 3 on 1 off just to let me pecs and shoulders recover.

Stand OHP 5x5
Flat wide grip press (pause push) 5x5
Wide grip lat pull down 3x10
DB row 3x12

Superset rope extensions to reverse grip curls 4x10-15

Adriftpanda 12-04-2014 11:15 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Heavy deadlift day.

Deadlift 2x5 traditional (Form was a bit off because it was heavy so I switched over to sumo. Didn't want to compromise form)

Sumo deadlift 5x5
Halted sumo deadlift 4x7
Seated rows 4x8-10

Hands are jacked!

Adriftpanda 12-05-2014 10:55 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Volume leg day but it still was heavy for me.

Squats 4x6
Front squats 4x6
Close stance hack squats 3x10
DB lunges 3x10

Some core work afterwards followed by supersets of calves

icehog3 12-06-2014 12:38 AM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
3 good days in a row, Huy. :tu

International Chest Day

Bench 225, 255, 280, 315, 275
Incline 195, 215, 235, 255
Powermaster Incline 200, 210, 225, 190
Decline 275, 275, 275
Dips 4 sets to failure

icehog3 12-06-2014 12:52 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Quick back day, kept it short (and mostly cables) as I have a game at 3.

Wide pulldowns 200, 220, 240, 260, 270, 280
Cable rows 240, 260, 280, 310, 330, 260
Bent over rows 4 sets @ 225
Pullups 2 sets bodyweight

Sancho 12-07-2014 08:30 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Had a so so day yesterday, stalled most lifts 3-4/5

Curious what your thoughts are on addressing imbalance, my upper body is heavily biased to the left side. I know this is because I carry my 35 lb toddlers on that side, however it makes my right arm the weak side. My bench and ohp for both break down on that side, any ideas for getting it balanced? Maybe just work the one arm, extensions, curls? I'm worried the heavier I go the bigger the disparity will be. Unless at some point it should somewhat right itself.

Did do a number of toddler presses tonight exploring the issue :) kids loved it.

icehog3 12-07-2014 10:07 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Start carrying them on the right, Chris. ;)

I haven't seen people have much success with one side training, I would just work with weight you can meet your reps with and let it even out over time.

Bis and Shoulders today, high reps on both, with very little shoulder work...but it felt good and strong.

Preacher curls 145 x 6 sets
Close grip barbel curls 110 x 4 sets
Cambered bar curls 125, 135, 145, 155

Seated Military press 135, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195

Sancho 12-08-2014 09:19 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Thanks Tom! I may try and start swapping them to the other side, tough habit to break.

Good to know on the one sided strength training

Looks like a solid day! Glad to hear the shoulder was cooperative especially on a high rep day

Tonight was:
Squats
Bench
Barbell rows

Adriftpanda 12-08-2014 11:12 PM

Re: Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 II
 
Bench day with some accessory work

Flat bench 5x4
wide grip bench 4x5
chest supported row 5x5
neutral grip db press 3x10
facepulls 3x12

superset a couple bi/tri movement to cap it off.


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