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mosesbotbol 07-25-2015 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nutcracker (Post 2045865)
It helps to know the som. He has helped me a lot over the years, as I pursued sommelier certification as an enthusiast not in the hospitality industry. He gave me lots of tips and blind tastings.

It's often "who you know" in this world....

Wow, did you receive any certification? I am just a casual wine drinker with a modest/small cellar. I been to some blind tasting and without no context, is very difficult to guess accurately. The cellaring aspect of wine can change how a wine shows. I don't really have any wine geek friends close by, so those exercises in refining my tasting notes moves at snail's pace.

Sure, my friends like wine, but nothing scholarly about them drinking a wine. No pad of paper for notes. ;s

I sometimes wonder why I bother bringing over 30+ year old clarets when they are all gushing over some 15% alcohol Zin I'd assume pour down the sink.

Last night, we had a 1996 Chateau de Beaucastel CdP. A muscular CdP with plenty of tannin that took a couple of hours to be really smooth and charming. Cork looked great. Had a little browning on the rim edge of glass, but not oxidized at all. I have about 4-5 more of this vintage and look forward to them... Been on a Rhone kick recently.

The other night was 1979 Guigal Cote Rotie Brune et Blonde that was rocking. Guigal was originally imported to the US, down the street from my house, so older vintages are floating around regularly. Cote Rotie is one of my favorite wine regions.

nutcracker 07-25-2015 07:45 AM

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I've done quite a few courses in wines and spirits (WSET, CSW, CSS) and certified through US Sommelier Association. They can be hard if one is not in the industry and tasting daily. (Especially WSET)

For folks who are "eager amateurs" of French wine, the best course I have done is through the a french Wine Society. They run weekly lectures and tastings for 13 weeks (quite in depth) with a multiple choice exam at the end (no tasting exam) - they also do immersion courses in France. I'm currently trying for their Bourgogne Master level. It's a lot of fun, and I hope to head to Burgundy next summer just prior to that exam.

Anyone who is a fan of French wines needs to check this out:

https://www.frenchwinesociety.org

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

mc808 07-25-2015 01:49 PM

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Those French Wine Society immersion trips look great!

I have an Advanced Sommelier certificate from the Court of Master Sommeliers and I have been in the industry for over 25 years but I am still learning something new every day.

mosesbotbol 07-26-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mc808 (Post 2046087)
I have an Advanced Sommelier certificate from the Court of Master Sommeliers and I have been in the industry for over 25 years but I am still learning something new every day.

What is your capacity in the wine industry?

The only one wine category I feel "confident" on is Port Wine. I have had most of the great 20th century vintages, and about 30-40% of my collection is Port going back to the 19th century.

This knowledge did not come cheap either. If I guessed, it would be over 100K in port personally consumed easily...

I assume you'd have to spend 3-4x to know Bordeaux or Burgundy to similar detail?

mc808 07-26-2015 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2046127)
What is your capacity in the wine industry?

The only one wine category I feel "confident" on is Port Wine. I have had most of the great 20th century vintages, and about 30-40% of my collection is Port going back to the 19th century.

This knowledge did not come cheap either. If I guessed, it would be over 100K in port personally consumed easily...

I assume you'd have to spend 3-4x to know Bordeaux or Burgundy to similar detail?

I currently am the General Manager for six gourmet food/wine/cigar retail shops in Hawaii. I used to manage wine programs at hotels such as the Ritz Carlton in Kapalua.

Port is one of my weakest categories in terms of knowledge. You obviously have far more experience in Port than I. The oldest Port I've had was an 1890 Dow that was barely clinging to life. My favorite Port experience was staging a 1963 horizontal tasting of over two dozen wines with Michael Broadbent.

Drinking great wine is never cheap. I find it more economical to taste with like-minded individuals and share the expense.

mosesbotbol 07-27-2015 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mc808 (Post 2046195)
Port is one of my weakest categories in terms of knowledge. You obviously have far more experience in Port than I. The oldest Port I've had was an 1890 Dow that was barely clinging to life. My favorite Port experience was staging a 1963 horizontal tasting of over two dozen wines with Michael Broadbent.

I have had 1890 Dow twice. Once is was a goner and the other time quite nice. 1900 Dow is an exceptional vintage if you can find it. That must've been an awesome horizontal of 1963; one of the greatest post war vintages. Michael Broadbent has a great portfolio of wines including Ferreira, Crasto, Musar, and their own branded Madeira (by Justinho). I have some various '63's, about 3 cases worth.

A couple of '63 Dow tregnum's would be most interesting I have of this vintage.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps8dc9567f.jpg

mc808 07-28-2015 02:57 AM

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Wow those big bottles are awesome!

mosesbotbol 07-28-2015 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mc808 (Post 2046285)
Wow those big bottles are awesome!

Thanks. Been waiting for a time to open one. With vintage port, my mandate is it must be drunk down in one sitting.

I also have a 3000 ML bottle of 1977 Taylor in wood. That one is in the cellar, but you may've seen one before. I probably have about 2-3 cases of 1.5's, but those are pretty common...

Gabe215 07-28-2015 09:17 AM

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Moses, do you buy all your bottled online? Or do you have a phenomenal distributor in Boston?

mosesbotbol 07-28-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2046322)
Moses, do you buy all your bottled online? Or do you have a phenomenal distributor in Boston?

Modern bottles are bought locally or online; being shipped to me in the fall or spring. There's some good online vendors for older stuff like HDH, Zachy's, Acker, Rare Wine Company; just to name a few.

I buy a lot of stuff at auction and have been doing so well over a decade. Always big gamble at auction and you should know what you are doing. I'd suggest a narrow focus and research on any Lot you may be interested in. I do both live an online auctions. Live auctions can yield the best results, but take the most amount of time and quick thinking. There could be a wine I wasn't initially interested in, but when it is up and no one bids on it, I will bottom feed and throw a low ball bid.

Some stuff I buy is from a distributor/importer who also buys out estates I am friends with. There's a couple of distributors that let me buy at their wholesale price which helps.

Other bottles are just from people I meet who have cellars they are clearing out.

Gabe215 09-03-2015 09:29 PM

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Blandy's 5 year Special Dry Madiera

mosesbotbol 09-04-2015 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2052176)
Blandy's 5 year Special Dry Madiera

What did you think of that? That is the minimum age for any Madeira I would drink. Probably wise to go with the drier style of Madeira at age.

Can you get Broadbent Madeira in your region? They make 5 year, but their 10 year is IMO the best Madeira for the money.

Gabe215 09-07-2015 07:51 PM

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It was very good Moses this is my first Madiera with age, I've had Broadbent rainwater which I enjoyed a lot, and Sandeman Fine Rich which wasn't to my taste, reminded me of Sherry. So I have only those to compare it to but I really like it it's a nice change of pace to Port which is pretty much all I've been drinking lately. So yes I can get Broadbent but they do not stock 10 year but if they have it chances are they can order it. What kind should I ask for special dry? I'd like to try Bual also?
As always thanks for any and all input wise one!

mosesbotbol 09-08-2015 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2052606)
So yes I can get Broadbent but they do not stock 10 year but if they have it chances are they can order it. What kind should I ask for special dry? I'd like to try Bual also?
As always thanks for any and all input wise one!

Broadbent has a few higher Madeira's. The 10 is medium sweet. I don't believe it's a single varietal like Bual. They also make a Colheita for around the same price, but I like the 10 better. I believe they also have a Terrantez that is well priced, and if so is worth all the money and then some. Terrantez may be the best Madeira varietal, but very rare and limited in production.

If you can get a 10 year and if you're feeling sporty the Terrantez, you'll be very satisfied for the purchase. If you can get the 10 for under $40, you are doing well. I like the Broadbent 10 better for the same money as RWC Historic Series Madeiras.

Gabe215 09-09-2015 05:00 AM

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Broadbent 10 seems to come in Sercial and Malmsey, I'm assuming your referring to Sercial?

GreekGodX 09-09-2015 05:47 AM

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If anyone is near NJ, I recommend going to the Wine Library. You can also order from their website. Great selection and their prices are even better. https://winelibrary.com

I went there this past weekend and stocked up on some different wines. Amazing customer service as well.

mosesbotbol 09-09-2015 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2052768)
Broadbent 10 seems to come in Sercial and Malmsey, I'm assuming your referring to Sercial?

The Sercial is the drier one. I would get the Malmsey from them.

Gabe215 09-09-2015 06:54 PM

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Efharisto Christos, I have family in Hoboken and Astoria Queens(I'm also Greek) I might have to make a pit stop there next time I head up there!

mosesbotbol 09-10-2015 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 2052777)
The Sercial is the drier one. I would get the Malmsey from them.

I just ordered a case online for $33 a bottled shipped. This vendor did not have on premises, so fingers crossed they can actually get it for that price.

My local B&M said Broadbent also has Bual and Verdelho. I really like Verdelho (semi-dry), but did not give me a price yet. I'll be happy with Malmsey at that price either way...

mosesbotbol 11-04-2015 05:59 AM

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For those who like CdP (Chateauneuf du Pape), try "la Fiole du Pape". It is a non-vintage wine made of different vintages and bottled. It can be aged, but is ready to drink when bottled. Very good CdP you don't have to worry about a vintage or sitting on the bottle.

Cool looking bottle to boot. Recommended for under $30

http://asset1.marksandspencer.com/is...DP_PROD_IMAGE$

Gabe215 01-11-2016 03:32 PM

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No activity on here since the first week of November!?!?!?
Went to the best PA Liquor store today any picked these up!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...psvnpaqdxt.jpg

mosesbotbol 01-12-2016 04:43 AM

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How's the Fuerheerd? That's a rare brand! I have never had their tawny before; only one or two vintages. Does it say when it was bottled?

I know the Broadbent is good; I buy that one all the time.

Gabe215 01-12-2016 10:03 AM

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Is it?? I see it all the time and usually pass by it, I went specifically for that Madeira off your recommendation, and was planning to get a cheap Tawny (sandemans) and they were out all they had was TF 10 and for $10 less I reached for Fuerheerd. I only had a small glass to try it and I t is indeed VERY good and for $20 a bottle you really can't beat it!! I'll look to see where it was bottled when I get home this evening. As for the Madeira I'm saving it for a rainy day!

Gabe215 01-12-2016 03:22 PM

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It was bottled in 2015

Gabe215 01-21-2016 05:21 AM

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Don't knock me for the Jam Jar, it's fun to drink. Enjoyed the Fuerheerd so much that I got another 10 year tawny and decided to try their Reserve Ruby. Moses, ever hear of Barão De Vilar? It was on sale for $39.99 so I figured I couldn't go wrong regardless!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...psjfayphla.jpg

mosesbotbol 01-21-2016 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2071583)
Moses, ever hear of Barão De Vilar?

I have heard of Vilar, but never tried any of their ports. I think they are more of a Colheita brand.

nutcracker 03-21-2016 05:43 PM

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So - potato gnocchi with provolone and mushrooms. (And a touch of Manitoba's favorite vegetable - BACON).

My Italian friends might disown me, but mushrooms = Borgogne.

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...stkhfk1ms.jpeg

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...sk3gf5wrk.jpeg

Peasant wine for peasant food! Fantastic!

mosesbotbol 03-21-2016 08:17 PM

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A rich white wine for a big meal.

nutcracker 04-30-2016 06:12 PM

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A 2007 Patagonian Malbec with our homemade burgers. Chef Earl's BBQ sauce really picked it up. (Available at St Pauls Farmers' market.)

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...s5ocdqeys.jpeg

I usually prefer Cahors Malbecs, which are more tannic and structured. The A Lisa is pretty good with a bit of age on it.

mosesbotbol 05-02-2016 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nutcracker (Post 2085448)
I usually prefer Cahors Malbecs, which are more tannic and structured.

Same here

Gabe215 06-25-2016 03:44 PM

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Tonight's line up :dr

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...psok57ung6.jpg

mosesbotbol 06-27-2016 08:18 AM

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^^ Some fun ones there. ^^

The Setubal 20 is what caught my eye the most. JM Fonseca is the probably the best producer as well.

mosesbotbol 06-27-2016 08:34 AM

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Guess it's time to post something, Gabe215 motivated me. A couple of nights ago (Saturday) we did two 1977 Vintage Ports; '77 Taylor and '77 Fonseca. 1977 is a bit a odds. Widely heralded as great vintage, but in reality is just an average vintage IMO.

Perhaps a discussion on the vintage should be another thread, but '77 is hardly '70 or '66.
I rated the Taylor at 93 points and funny enough that I rated 93 points 6 years ago! A friend keeps notes on what we drank and looked up our prior review. The Fonseca I think I gave 91 points.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...pswx6umjvo.jpg

Gabe215 12-17-2016 04:50 PM

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Last Post was in June?? I guess nobody drinks wine any more?
Last Night...
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...psbzgjkuwr.jpg

icehog3 12-17-2016 05:01 PM

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Love me some good port, Gabe.

Gabe215 12-19-2016 03:55 AM

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Had my first Amarone style wine last night and loved it, going to have to try some more now!!

mosesbotbol 12-21-2016 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2111130)
Had my first Amarone style wine last night and loved it, going to have to try some more now!!

Giuseppe Quintarelli Amarone will send you to heaven and beyond. Actually, any of their wines are beyond belief.

Porch Dweller 12-21-2016 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabe215 (Post 2110964)
Last Post was in June?? I guess nobody drinks wine any more?

I drink plenty of it, but i have the palette of a goat and drink 8$-12$ bottles of Cabernet, Pinot, and Malbec and $15-$20 bottles of Chianti. :D So while I enjoy reading this thread, I don't have much of substance to contribute.

mosesbotbol 12-21-2016 06:47 AM

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Had a wonder 1948 Fonseca a week ago; absolutely fantastic. The weekend was full of port including 1963 Fonseca, 1963 Dow, 1977 Fonseca, 1977 Dow, 1977 Warre, 1980 Graham, and 1980 Dow.

Also had a really fancy Marsala that tasted like Madeira, but after a few days opened took a life of its own. I needed to finish it before I left the country for work.

nutcracker 12-21-2016 06:11 PM

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http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4sqxybfb.jpg
http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/...pslzj4wug6.jpg

Being the country of my birth, I have an affinity for South African wines. Alto Shiraz is a spectacular example of an old world style Syrah (I.e. Not Aussie fruit bomb crud). It's been cellared a while, but has aged magnificently into a fine leathery, sweaty, still tannic red.
paired up with JBs homemade ricotta gnocchi with a sage mushroom cognac sauce.

Totally sublime......

spark 12-22-2016 10:02 AM

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Hey, I found a hidden wine thread!!

I see the recent talk has turned to port but I want to share a couple pics of my wine "cellar". As you can see my wife and I enjoy wine way too much.
Ports are on the bottom shelf, third rack from the left. Wines that still need a few more years of ageincluding ports, are in the closet to the left of the cooler

Also in that closet are my coolerdors and other cigar related crap

https://c6.staticflickr.com/1/555/31...523d487b_z.jpg


https://c4.staticflickr.com/1/381/31...df59b33d_z.jpg

nutcracker 12-22-2016 10:45 AM

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Nice collection!

Porch Dweller 12-22-2016 12:01 PM

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Nice collection!

:tpd:

Dave128 12-27-2016 08:36 AM

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Wow! :dr

Gabe215 12-27-2016 08:14 PM

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Very Good Evening YNWA
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4sws9tll.jpg

Gabe215 01-25-2017 04:02 PM

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Offley LBV on sale for $13 took the last two bottles!!
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...pskipp58wh.jpg

mosesbotbol 01-26-2017 11:32 AM

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That's a good buy at $13. Keep you eyes out for any 2011 LBV's as that is regards as one of the best vintages in long long time.

If you make it to Boston, I have some '70 & '85 Offley vintage we can drink!

Gabe215 01-26-2017 03:56 PM

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I was pleasantly surprised, my first offering from Offley and thought it was fantastic!! I'll keep my eyes out for some 2011's. I really do hope to one day share a drink and smoke with you Moses, always look forward to your comments and input!

mosesbotbol 01-27-2017 08:21 AM

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Since you are seeking out port, for tawny or colheita:

Niepoort
Kopke
St. Leonardo
Ferreira
Quevedo

If you can find anything from these brands, they are all great at every price point.

Gabe215 01-27-2017 03:34 PM

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Moses, does Colheita have to be drank immediately after opening (3 days or less)? or is it like most other Ports and can be enjoyed months afterward? Not that opened Ports last a week in my house, just curious, thanks!


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