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dijit 01-30-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1929344)
Bob i would start with the .40 and see if its for you before you jump into 223/556 or both. Pistol is easier to reload. The case brass for pistols won't expand like rifle brass will. As long as your OAL for your .40 is good to go the entire round should be good to go. You can save some money so you don't have to buy a brass trimmer and primer swag for your 556 that way. If you like/enjoy reloading then you can go get the proper equipment to reload for your 223/556. Unless money aint no thang then do both!! :noon

Anything with a straight wall or not bottle neck shape is pretty easy to load. If you start with new brass you should be able to get two or three reloads before the brass becomes measurably longer. Watch for discoloration just above the bottom crimp or primer plate. This could indicate the brass may be weakening. get the manual first determine the loads you want to experiment with. If you really start getting into it you can learn the math for the chamber pressures and how it effect accuracy.

Chainsaw13 01-30-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1929344)
Bob i would start with the .40 and see if its for you before you jump into 223/556 or both. Pistol is easier to reload. The case brass for pistols won't expand like rifle brass will. As long as your OAL for your .40 is good to go the entire round should be good to go. You can save some money so you don't have to buy a brass trimmer and primer swag for your 556 that way. If you like/enjoy reloading then you can go get the proper equipment to reload for your 223/556. Unless money aint no thang then do both!! :noon

Since I'm near you, any chance of a primer (pun intended) lesson?

Chainsaw13 01-30-2014 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dijit (Post 1929347)
Anything with a straight wall or not bottle neck shape is pretty easy to load. If you start with new brass you should be able to get two or three reloads before the brass becomes measurably longer. Watch for discoloration just above the bottom crimp or primer plate. This could indicate the brass may be weakening. get the manual first determine the loads you want to experiment with. If you really start getting into it you can learn the math for the chamber pressures and how it effect accuracy.

Good info. I have to look do some research first to see if it's another hobby I need and can afford. As I've been told, you don't end up saving money as you tend to shoot more, offsetting the savings.

cigarmonkel 01-30-2014 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1929350)
Good info. I have to look do some research first to see if it's another hobby I need and can afford. As I've been told, you don't end up saving money as you tend to shoot more, offsetting the savings.

I think you would be lucky to break even. I always find myself saying "meh.. cheaper then buying it at the store.. lets go shoot!" unfortunately I have yet to find a valid reason to tell myself "no.. don't go shoot".

I've heard if your using a different material case they will only last 2-3 rounds before you start to have to size them or toss them but I've heard brass you can shoot A TON before you trim or toss em.

cigarmonkel 01-30-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1929348)
Since I'm near you, any chance of a primer (pun intended) lesson?

Absolutely! It's super easy. only the 5.56 will have mil spec crimp since obviously .223 is not mil spec. It's easy to spot if they have it or not and your deprimer in your turret press won't like it either and will refuse to take it out. As far as I am aware of no pistol ammo will have that primer crimp so you shouldn't need a primer swag for your .40

Chainsaw13 01-30-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1929362)
Absolutely! It's super easy. only the 5.56 will have mil spec crimp since obviously .223 is not mil spec. It's easy to spot if they have it or not and your deprimer in your turret press won't like it either and will refuse to take it out. As far as I am aware of no pistol ammo will have that primer crimp so you shouldn't need a primer swag for your .40

Thanks! I got your PM as well. I'll get in touch with ya to set something up soon. Gotta see what my work entails first. Gonna be busy on the new Mustang.

cigarmonkel 01-30-2014 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1929381)
Thanks! I got your PM as well. I'll get in touch with ya to set something up soon. Gotta see what my work entails first. Gonna be busy on the new Mustang.

Ohh tasty! ! What kinda mustang?

Chainsaw13 01-30-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1929385)
Ohh tasty! ! What kinda mustang?

The new '15.

Fordman4ever 01-30-2014 08:45 PM

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Nice

GTsetGO 01-31-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1929381)
Thanks! I got your PM as well. I'll get in touch with ya to set something up soon. Gotta see what my work entails first. Gonna be busy on the new Mustang.

nice.

throw some pics up here and on my other site www.moddedmustangs.com

Lockspur 01-31-2014 12:39 PM

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I miss my Mustang. :(

GTsetGO 02-01-2014 03:49 PM

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got my alien gear holster in.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...psfauzgove.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...pszj6qshuc.jpg



and went to my best-friends place and put together my ar.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...ps8qzuw8as.jpg

8zeros 02-01-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 8zeros (Post 1929322)
I have a 16 in. flat top floating barrel AR with no sights on it yet. I can't see through iron sights so well any more and no sense in putting a scope on this. I already have a scoped 20" HBAR setup.
What ideas y'all have for sighting this? I've already done some research but I'm throwin' it out here.

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1929343)
eotech aimpoint or trijicon!

Yep, quality name brands. I was wondering about things like toughness, reliability, ease of sight acquisition, battery life, size and weight, ease of zeroing and of course price. Just anyone else's experience here.

Chainsaw13 02-02-2014 10:38 AM

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Picked this up yesterday. Slightly used, but in excellent shape.

Bax 02-02-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1930242)
Picked this up yesterday. Slightly used, but in excellent shape.

Love mine!

Chainsaw13 02-02-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bax (Post 1930243)
Love mine!

Cool! I can't wait to take it to the range.

Remo 02-02-2014 02:13 PM

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Good grab Bob, I really liked mine, like my Shield better though.

Chainsaw13 02-02-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1930340)
Good grab Bob, I really liked mine, like my Shield better though.

It was a toss up between the two. I didn't like the palm feel of the thin grip on the Shield as much. But I bet it's nicer to carry. Hey, ya never know. With the OT I'm going to get this year, I may end up with a Shield too. :D

Remo 02-02-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1930344)
It was a toss up between the two. I didn't like the palm feel of the thin grip on the Shield as much. But I bet it's nicer to carry. Hey, ya never know. With the OT I'm going to get this year, I may end up with a Shield too. :D

Ya, the thinness finally won me over, I was getting lazy about carrying, the thinner Shield will hopefully help that :tu

Ya, just buy another, can never have too many :r

Chainsaw13 02-02-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1930350)
Ya, the thinness finally won me over, I was getting lazy about carrying, the thinner Shield will hopefully help that :tu

Ya, just buy another, can never have too many :r

Got that right. I'm probably going to be in the market for a new safe too at this rate.

Remo 02-02-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1930351)
Got that right. I'm probably going to be in the market for a new safe too at this rate.

:tu go steal Howard's :lr

GTsetGO 02-02-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chainsaw13 (Post 1930242)
Picked this up yesterday. Slightly used, but in excellent shape.

nice. my next pistol is going to be the m&p shield 9mm

cigarmonkel 02-02-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 8zeros (Post 1930072)
Yep, quality name brands. I was wondering about things like toughness, reliability, ease of sight acquisition, battery life, size and weight, ease of zeroing and of course price. Just anyone else's experience here.

They should all be fairlyneasy to zero in. Both trijicon and eotech you can use flat head screw drivers or a coin to adjust the sights. Aimpoint and eotech will be the easiest for getting your eyes on the sight being they are both holographic/red dot styles unless you get an additional magnifier. The trijicon will take more time and will need to be placed further up or down your rails depending on how much eye relief you need.

My buddy who was a marine (best shooting scores in his platoon) swears up and down by the trijicon and does nothing but hate on my eotech. Im the opposite I wont/dont hate on trijicon but ill swear by my eotech.

Really boils down to if you want magnification or not. I have a flip to side 3x sitting behind my eotech so if I want the magnification ive got it. If I dont want it I just pop the magnifier off to the side. Trijicons dont require batteries, eotechs do but you should get a VERY long battery life out of each battery.. to the point where I wouldnt even take battery life into consideration

8zeros 02-03-2014 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1930563)
They should all be fairlyneasy to zero in. Both trijicon and eotech you can use flat head screw drivers or a coin to adjust the sights. Aimpoint and eotech will be the easiest for getting your eyes on the sight being they are both holographic/red dot styles unless you get an additional magnifier. The trijicon will take more time and will need to be placed further up or down your rails depending on how much eye relief you need.

My buddy who was a marine (best shooting scores in his platoon) swears up and down by the trijicon and does nothing but hate on my eotech. Im the opposite I wont/dont hate on trijicon but ill swear by my eotech.

Really boils down to if you want magnification or not. I have a flip to side 3x sitting behind my eotech so if I want the magnification ive got it. If I dont want it I just pop the magnifier off to the side. Trijicons dont require batteries, eotechs do but you should get a VERY long battery life out of each battery.. to the point where I wouldnt even take battery life into consideration

Thanks. The tritium in the Trijicon decays so it gets dimmer over the years too.
I've read some reviews about how tough these are so I guess I'm a little less worried about that now. I will add flip up iron sight as well.

Steve 02-04-2014 12:07 PM

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:fp2

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:tu:tu

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sikk50 02-04-2014 11:55 PM

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Picked up a viridian laser for my lc9. Showed up today.....I'd advise against it.

Steve 02-07-2014 01:56 PM

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http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictur...uperShorty.jpg

Steve 02-07-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sikk50 (Post 1931211)
Picked up a viridian laser for my lc9. Showed up today.....I'd advise against it.

Why?

Remo 02-07-2014 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 1932281)

That's something I could get with!! :banger

GTsetGO 02-08-2014 08:37 PM

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this will be here on monday

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DirtRider500R 02-08-2014 08:51 PM

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Nice :tu

GTsetGO 02-11-2014 08:22 AM

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picked this up yesterday. now to save for the upper



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Cigarcop 02-12-2014 11:35 AM

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Alright pistol boys!...... What tool are you guys using to remove rear sights from Glocks...MGW?... Is there a good universal one out there that could be used for multiple sights of diff manufactures?

8zeros 02-12-2014 11:53 AM

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Brothers in NY, fear not! Your guns are far less evil now.
I see room for improvement on the design. Hmmm....

MurphysLaw 02-12-2014 11:59 AM

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Gun show this weekend down here, hoping I can make it out and shop for a new CCW pistol. Have a mental list of a few guns to check out, still not sure what I'm going to end up with. So far I'm thinking a micro 1911, HK P2000, compact M&P or XD, Glock 36 or 30S, or another Kahr subcompact. My wife has taken my Kahr PM9 so I need a replacement, my Kimber pro is a lot of gun to carry in the summers when I'm wearing a Tshirt and shorts, and my Makarov is heavy and fast mag changes are a PITA.

If anyone has other suggestions for a small carry piece in 9mm, .40, or .45 I'd appreciate it!

Remo 02-12-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1933988)
Gun show this weekend down here, hoping I can make it out and shop for a new CCW pistol. Have a mental list of a few guns to check out, still not sure what I'm going to end up with. So far I'm thinking a micro 1911, HK P2000, compact M&P or XD, Glock 36 or 30S, or another Kahr subcompact. My wife has taken my Kahr PM9 so I need a replacement, my Kimber pro is a lot of gun to carry in the summers when I'm wearing a Tshirt and shorts, and my Makarov is heavy and fast mag changes are a PITA.

Nice, my wife wants to check out that new Glock .380 hard to find though :sh

Blueface 02-12-2014 12:03 PM

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Brian,
While I love my Shield in 9mm, I am dreaming of of an XDs in my future to replace my LCP when I want to carry something more compact.

Blueface 02-12-2014 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1933989)
Nice, my wife wants to check out that new Glock .380 hard to find though :sh

Mike,
While Glock makes me drool, that .380 was a bad fart on their part if you ask me.
They should have made that a 9mm. It is way too big for a .380.

MurphysLaw 02-12-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1933989)
Nice, my wife wants to check out that new Glock .380 hard to find though :sh

I thought about it, but I really want to buy something chambered in a caliber I already own, so .380 is out.

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Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1933990)
Brian,
While I love my Shield in 9mm, I am dreaming of of an XDs in my future to replace my LCP when I want to carry something more compact.

I've heard great things about the XDS too, just need to see how it feels in hand.

Remo 02-12-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1933991)
Mike,
While Glock makes me drool, that .380 was a bad fart on their part if you ask me.
They should have made that a 9mm. It is way too big for a .380.

Gotcha, thanks. I keep telling her if she wants a .380 the Sig is way cool :tu

Remo 02-12-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1933994)
I thought about it, but I really want to buy something chambered in a caliber I already own, so .380 is out.



I've heard great things about the XDS too, just need to see how it feels in hand.

On a side note Murph, that timeshare at Ocean Pointe is open again, I wouldn't mind heading back down to WPB :tu

MurphysLaw 02-12-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1933999)
Gotcha, thanks. I keep telling her if she wants a .380 the Sig is way cool :tu

Agreed, always liked the P232 I think it is.

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1934000)
On a side note Murph, that timeshare at Ocean Pointe is open again, I wouldn't mind heading back down to WPB :tu

:tu Let me know if you decide to make the trip.

Blueface 02-12-2014 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Remo (Post 1933999)
Gotcha, thanks. I keep telling her if she wants a .380 the Sig is way cool :tu

Yeah, absolutely the best .380.
If you go that route, seek out the HD model.
That is the one I got for my wife.
It is a heavier gun with less recoil than the standard model.
My wife has great control with it.

Blueface 02-12-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1934001)
Agreed, always liked the P232 I think it is.

Close.
p238

MurphysLaw 02-12-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface (Post 1934012)
Close.
p238

Has that completely replaced the p232? I had a line on a used P232 a while back when my wife was starting to look at getting her CCW.

cigarmonkel 02-12-2014 01:40 PM

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went to cabelas yesterday to get some ammo to shoot my 9mm at the range yesterday. they only had one type in stock, didn't think too much of it saw it was 115g 9mm luger so i snagged a few boxes... oops. Opened them up and they are the nylon jacketed ones. FML these things shoot dirtier then ANYTHING i've ever shot including my hand loads and are inaccurate as all hell. At first I thought it was me since I haven't shot in awhile. I took out a box of my normal rounds i shoot and nope, definitely the nylon jacketed rounds just being junk. Not to mention the kick on them was SIGNIFICANTLY more then normal 115g 9mms. lesson learned.. never buying those again even if they are the only thing on the shelf.

Blueface 02-12-2014 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1934018)
Has that completely replaced the p232? I had a line on a used P232 a while back when my wife was starting to look at getting her CCW.

Nope.
That is a nice one too, close to the PPK in appearance,
I was just correcting on the one I felt was the best little .380 out there, like a mini 1911.

Sweet_Leaf_PDX 02-13-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarmonkel (Post 1934021)
went to cabelas yesterday to get some ammo to shoot my 9mm at the range yesterday. they only had one type in stock, didn't think too much of it saw it was 115g 9mm luger so i snagged a few boxes... oops. Opened them up and they are the nylon jacketed ones. FML these things shoot dirtier then ANYTHING i've ever shot including my hand loads and are inaccurate as all hell. At first I thought it was me since I haven't shot in awhile. I took out a box of my normal rounds i shoot and nope, definitely the nylon jacketed rounds just being junk. Not to mention the kick on them was SIGNIFICANTLY more then normal 115g 9mms. lesson learned.. never buying those again even if they are the only thing on the shelf.

That's too bad. I bet that's why they were the only ones left on the shelf. I am still finding it very difficult to get 9mm ammo. I've been reloading mine for a while now, but I miss the good old days when 9mm ammo was cheap and plentiful.

Lockspur 02-13-2014 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet_Leaf_PDX (Post 1934373)
That's too bad. I bet that's why they were the only ones left on the shelf. I am still finding it very difficult to get 9mm ammo. I've been reloading mine for a while now, but I miss the good old days when 9mm ammo was cheap and plentiful.

Freedom-munitions.com

Ammo-labs.com

Bax 02-13-2014 05:36 PM

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I was just at Sportsman Warehouse and they had pallets of 9mm in 250 round bricks. I picked up a couple hundred rounds just for the heck of it :)


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