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Not talking strictly MMA here, a full body of work. Lets see, he is a national champion, 4-time All-American (this alone is impresive even for most MMA fighters), made a few million dollars in WWE, tried out for an NFL team, and now happens to be thoroughly beating all comers thus far. Oh yeah and all this while weighing close to 280 and being a damn freak with 2% body fat and staying clean. The man is a genetic freak. I hope my kids end up like that seeing as that are so common. :tu

Are you insinuating that UFC is not the top promotion with the best fighters right now? I am not saying there aren't a few good fighters in other promotions, but I would be willing to take UFC fighters in a tournament from top to bottom of the 'popular' promotions. :rolleyes:

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farm teams vs pro teams

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It seems to me that you've decided to take the exact opposite stance of others each possible opportunity on here which is fine. It stirs up conversation and any conversation regarding MMA I'm more than happy to read and/or take part in. Regardless of the stance.

In the end, a majority of people, including hardcore MMA fans are upset about Fedor not going to the biggest MMA organization. Why wouldn't you want to see him on that stage? When the question gets posted on major MMA forums all over that ask if you think Fedor should be in the UFC, the response is overwhelmingly yes.

To call Brock's resume not impressive is simply being difficult and not recognizing what he's done. Adam has already said it, but an NCAA National Champ, a major WWE superstar (say what you want, but to do the things that he did in the ring, athletes like that don't "grow on trees" as you say). Then to walk off the street and get invited for NFL try outs, yup, no easy task. Then to come into the UFC off the street and immediately fight the best of the best and in the matter a few fights, completely dominate some of the best in the world and become champ, that's damn impressive. All this while cutting from around 290lbs to 265 and being one of, if not the fastest and strongest HW in all of MMA.But guys like him grow on tree's. Right. Please show me where this magic tree is because maybe if I eat the apples off it, it'll get me the physique, speed and strength of Brock and Shane Carwin.

No one is denying what Fedor has accomplished. I don't think anyone will accomplish the wins that he has strung together. I will say this though, with Scott Coker saying they're going to "build up to Fedor vs. Overeem", one of the only worthwhile fights over there is foolish. If Fedor would have signed in the UFC, he would have been fighting for the title, against the best the UFC has to offer from the get go. No warm ups, no "building up", just proving on the biggest stage your still the best and no one is going to take that from you. Who wouldn't rather see that?

If you heard what Tito said when he was asked why he came back to the UFC, it was simple. The competition. Tito wanted to fight the best there is to offer on the biggest stage. Why wouldn't the #1 HW fighter in the world want to go where 5 of the top 7 HW fighters in the world are and fight the best? Sure he's beat Nog twice. Take him out of the equation, there are still a ton of great fights for Fedor there.

In the end it's just sad for an MMA fan to see someone with Fedor's talent go to a second rate organization and fight 2nd tier ranked talent. If you want to be the best, beat the best. He's done that thus far. Now he has to continue to fight the best to maintain being the best. Plain and simple. In Strikeforce, he's not doing that, and no one can argue otherwise.

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How long till strikforce folds like the rest of them? I'm saying before March 2010.

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I don't know why you guys hate on non UFC promotions. It seems to be a common thing among Dana White drones though. America is the new kid on the block for mma fights. Japan and Brazil have been doing this for a long time you could say the early 1900s. You guys talk like UFC is so great than how come the Gracie who created the UFC don't send the new generation there? As a matter top level BJJ guys don't even fight there they go to Japan where the fans are more knowledgeable and don't boo when the fight goes to the ground. Damien Mia is probably the only top level guy they have. Also you guys seem to forget that the Fertittas were going to sell the UFC just 5 years ago before they decided to try a reality TV show that became popular and saved them from disaster back when PRIDE was top dog. And what is the Ultimate Fighter? Cheap talent with face recognition that sells shows.

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They conned you guys into beleiving Bisbing, Thales Leittes, Rashad Evans, and Forest Griffin are the best contenders out there. And when you see those guys fight against actual fighters they look confused and lost. UFC has a Mcdonalds aproach to MMA. Although they did pick up alot of the PRIDE contracts but I doubt they had much of a choice. I'll watch any MMA promotion no matter where its at if there are good fights on the card. I believe that copromotion is the key to putting the best against the best. UFC claims to be the NFL of mma. That disgraces the NFL with a comment like that. MMA is more like soccer where their is greatness all around the world and they have a world cup to see whos the best. Thats what MMA needs. Also just because my opinion is different from yours it doesn't mean I am deliberately going against you. To the post 2 above STRIKFORCE has been around for 25 years and Scott Coker is a respectable guy in the fighter community.

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They won't. They run a very successful and profitable promotion for many years now. Coker is a great business man that knows what he is doing.

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:tpd: Sengoku, Dream and K-1 in Japan goes all out and always has very good fighters and all the shows are good. All of them. You can't say that for UFC. They seem to have alot of mediocre shows.

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Yeah, and let's not forget where great fighters like Rampage got their start--Japan. MMA is a sport with worldwide interest. I really do value the UFC though because they do great things like free televised fight nights.

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I agree. I think the UFC is doing too many shows. I'd much rather see 8-10 numbered UFC PPV cards a year, and maybe 3-5 Fight Nights a year on Spike. This way cards are more stacked.

On another note, wtf is up with Ricardo Arona? Ever since that brutal KO by Soko, he hasn't fought once.

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The only info I can find is that he claims to have suffered from dengue fever in that KO loss. He was suppose to fight Marvin Eastman a while back but Eastman got injured and the fight was postponed until Sep 12th at Bettiti Combat in Brazil. Vitor Belfort was suppose to fight there until UFC signed him. I do wonder what Arona's contract was with PRIDE when it went under. It might of just expired recently, which is why he hasn't been fighting. Plus brazilian top team took a tumble as well.

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Anyone here bet on MMA? The odds are pretty big on this weekend's bouts. I'm 98% positive BJ Penn is going to smash Florian...I just hate risking money.

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I've bet cigars with some folks, but don't bet money. I would bet on florian tho, i like this particular underdog

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At +300, I'm taking Forrest. His size and strength are superior to Anderson and the guy has some serious heart. Anderson is a true beast, but I think if someone has a good shot to beat him, it's Forrest.

Not to say I would be surprised if Anderson smashed him because he is an unreal fighter, but at +300, Forrest is a great bet in my eyes.

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Thanks, just needed someone else to give me a push...LOL

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Well, as I previously stated Forrest has the strength and size advantage against Silva. Now I'm questioning that statement, lol. Regardless, my money is still on Forrest.


http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploa...8/ufc101-1.jpg

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Should we believe anything B.J. Penn has to say?

By Maggie Hendricks

B.J. Penn dropped a bombshell in an interview with Yahoo! Sports' Kevin Iole. A baseless, unsubstantiated bombshell, but nonetheless, a bombshell.

“It’s just my opinion that (Georges St. Pierre) uses steroids,” Penn said. “That’s it. My opinion. I do believe it. I can’t hand you any proof, but that’s my opinion.”

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lol @ BJ. What a d-bag. Hope kenny destroys him.

story http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cag...urn=mma,181251

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Hard not to take those odds but I don't think Forrest can take the Spider. I also think Florian is very, very good and will take BJ. I am a Penn fan but Florian impresses me more and more everytime he fights. His elbows are killer!

One thing I don't like about BJ is that when he loses, he makes alot of excuses.

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Fedor conference call about the Strikeforce deal.

http://chicago.fighthype.com/2009/08...deal-than-ufc/

Highlights:

"The UFC did not give us any chance to develop. The UFC wants me to be the fighter of the UFC. They do not offer us anything else. Dana White stated that M-1 rejected a huge amount of money and decided to fight for cheap money. That's not the truth. Nothing special was offered to M-1. And when we made a deal with Strikeforce and when we united with Strikeforce, we got the opportunity to broadcast all fights on the first channel in Russia, in the leading channel in Korea and in Japan, and in many other countries. But UFC won't give us these opportunities. If Strikeforce was able to offer a better deal than the UFC, why should we go to the UFC? I'm happy we have found a great partner. I'm very happy to fight again. I don't know the name of the opponent yet. I know for sure that the fight will take place in fall. I will be happy to meet any opponent, which will be offered by the organizers."

"I would like to say that I have full control of all the contracts and my career as well. I get all financial reports. All important issues are being discussed with me. Everything I don't like, Vadim tries to send for. I need to tell you I have complete control of what's going on."

"From my viewpoint, the UFC does not have the proper attitude towards fighters. They do not consider fighters normal people – human beings. I think the attitude for UFC fighters is not the correct one. The offer seems to be one kind and on the Internet, they published different numbers. The offer we got from them was neither of those. I don't pay attention to different discussions. There are a lot of people who take the side of the UFC. A lot of people take side of M-1 as well. I think that if the numbers which are published on the Internet were real numbers, we would have signed the contract with the UFC."

In response to allegations that Dana White called Strikeforce “Strikfarce,” and that no one watched Strikeforce, that they had no money and no one to fight Fedor, Scott laughed. “My response to that is of course he’s going to say that. He’s a promoter. We’ve been in business a long time, and I think we know how to operate a business with Ken (Hirschman) and Showtime. I feel confident we are going to have some great big shows. Under the current circumstances, is anyone surprised? I don’t think so.”

In conclusion, Fedor addressed the disappointment expressed by fans with the cancellation of the Brock Lesnar fight. “I really feel very sorry for that fight which could not happen. I feel very sorry for my fans, but I think that I also deserve some respect. That my personal interests are taken into consideration.”



I, for one, don't fault Fedor at all for wanting full control of his fighting future and having his own business (M-1) grow at the same time. He has earned the right to do just that, imo. And Dana always makes an ass out of himself when he doesn't get his way. Always throwing folks under the bus and cussing like a sailor. He has always struck me as one of those "I'll take my ball and go home" kinda guys. Waaahhhhhhh!

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Don't forget about WEC 42 on Sunday either! It's pretty much a one fight show but Torres wicked good. I love to see him fight.

http://www.mmafight.com/wp-content/u...-42-Poster.jpg

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I'm thinking Anderson Silva might come out aggresive and look for a KO to shut up the booing hecklers. I'm looking forward to seeing that fight and the ricardo almeida fight.

The last time I bet on a fight I put money on Ronald Souza a heavy favorite against Mousassi for the DREAM middleweight tournament finals and Mousassi KO"d Souza with a heel kick from his back. That happens like once every 4 or 5 years in mma.

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There appears to be some bad blood brewing between anderson silva and Griffin. Griffin has Robert Drysdale a Abu Dhabi champion training him in BJJ for this fight. Robert claims Forrest has better BJJ than Silva and this pissed him off. Silva called Drysdale a fool and an idiot.
Other news Strikeforce signs Ronaldo Jacare Souza, the USA fans get to see this incredible fighter now.

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Looks like Edith isn't an octagon girl anymore! She isn't on the ufc site, new girl replacing her is hot - natasha wicks
http://media.ufc.tv/i.cfc?method=get...12DAB8BA82.jpg

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I likes!!!

My only hope with this Fedor situation is that Strikeforce doesn't over extend their business to suit M-1 or their pocket book. I'm with many people, and what Dana W. brought up in statements, that Strikeforce doesn't put on title fights. Three belts that have been stalled and who knows when Cung Le will fight again. Aside from the titles I've liked the Strikeforce shows.

I'm about done with this, but wondered what this was actually targeted at. Are they talking about developing as a fighter and not wanting a title shot for the first fight?
I'm running with you on this. I like forrest though do not see him finishing Silva and Silva is going to put on a fight. And Penn is probably prepping excuses right now for his post fight interview.

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I think in poor english he means that they didn't offer M-1 the chance to expand in a US market-- co-promotion. He wants to develop M-1 as he develops his US based fight game, one alongside the other.

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You're probably right ActionA, though part of my brain was thinking they may have wanted to get a feel for the cage. Although Fedor has used the ropes to avoid takes I don't think the switch to the cage really matters much, he is a natural fighter and should adjust quickly.

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UFC 101 weigh-in results: All 22 fighters officially make weight for "Declaration" event

PHILADELPHIA - All 22 competitors set to fight at "UFC 101: Declaration" successfully made weight for the event at today's official fighter weigh-ins.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) today was on scene for the weigh-ins, which were held at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia, the same venue that hosts Saturday's pay-per-view event.

UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn and fellow headliner Kenny Florian each tipped the scales at the 155-pound limit before briefly engaging in a nose-to-nose staredown.

Following the pose-off, each competitor promised to display their full potentials.

"This is my dream; this is what every fighter works for," Florian told event emcee Joe Rogan. "I will perform tomorrow night for sure."

The usually vocal Penn was brief in response.

"I'm in great shape," Penn said. "I'm going to go out and do my best."

Additionally, UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, who moves up to the light heavyweight division for a non-title fight with Forrest Griffin, weighed 205 pounds. Griffin also weighed in right on the light heavyweight limit.

The full weigh-in results included:

MAIN CARD

* Champ B.J. Penn (155) vs. Kenny Florian (155)
* Champ Anderson Silva (205) vs. Forrest Griffin (205)
* Ricardo Almeida (185) vs. Kendall Grove (185.5)
* Josh Neer (155.5) vs. Kurt Pellegrino (154.5)
* Johny Hendricks (171) vs. Amir Sadollah (166.5)

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Shane Nelson (156) vs. Aaron Riley (154)
* John Howard (169.5) vs. Tamdan McCrory (170)
* Thales Leites (185) vs. Alessio Sakara (185.5)
* Dan Cramer (169.5) vs. Matthew Riddle (170)
* George Roop (154) vs. George Sotiropoulos (155)
* Jesse Lennox (171) vs. Danillo Villefort (170.25)

Frankly, this show doesn't have that much appeal. If it were not for the 2 main fights, this shouldn't be a PPV. I think you could argue that it shouldn't anyway. At least not at what they are charging to watch it.


Oh, and PJ Penn has apologized for accusing GSP of juicing. http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Penn...005935&tid=105

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Champ B.J. Penn (155) vs. Kenny Florian (155)
Champ Anderson Silva (205) vs. Forrest Griffin (205) I'll pull for Griffin though
Ricardo Almeida (185) vs. Kendall Grove (185.5)
Josh Neer (155.5) vs. Kurt Pellegrino (154.5)
Johny Hendricks (171) vs. Amir Sadollah (166.5)

Can't argue with that!

Tonight Penn should be preparing his list of excuses. :r

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MMA pioneer Don Frye out of Aug. 28 "M-1 Breakthrough," event moved to Kansas City.

M-1 Global's Aug. 28 event, "Breakthrough," has suffered another setback as Don Frye has backed out of the evening's main event.

Frye's opponent, Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal, released the information in a recent video blog posted on YouTube.

"Don Frye, I guess, pulled out because he didn't like the location of the fight," Lawal says in the video. "It was originally supposed to be in Los Angeles, but I guess they moved it to Kansas City or something. I'm trying to still get that payday, so they're going to find a replacement to take his spot."

Sources close to the event have since confirmed Frye's withdrawal from the card with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com), as well as the relocation of the event to Kansas City.

SI.com first broke the news that "M-1 Breakthrough" would not be happening in Los Angeles in conjunction with IMMAE, an international MMA trade show. Much was made of M-1 Global's lack of a promoter's license in California, but sources close to the event point to a financial backer withdrawing its commitment as the real culprit.

While M-1 Global has yet to make an official announcement regarding a venue in Kansas City, the organization would most likely look to Memorial Hall, the same venue that hosted a June event from the company's "M-1 Challenge" team-vs.-team event series.

Sources close to the event said a replacement for Frye is likely to be announced as soon as Monday, and the show – which will be broadcast on HDNet – will go on despite the changes.

If you have never seen King Mo fight, you are missing out. He is awesome! I think he would have had no trouble with the aging Frye.

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Wow, Anderson made Forrest look like a straight bum. Dude is unreal. Every time I think someone has a CHANCE at beating him, he makes them look foolish. Anderson is a beast, I really have to say, the best P4P fighter in the world.

Overall though, this card has been ass, plain and simple. Luckily I didn't pay for this one...

On another note, I'd like to see King Mo in the UFC. Maybe we see that soon now that he's being jerked around from city to city and opponents dropping out, etc.

Finally, Natasha is smoking hot, especially since she got what looks to be a surgical "upgrade" after winning the Maxim ring girl contest.

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Well, BJ dominated. Kenny failed at imitating Couture's tactics against Gonzaga and Sylvia in holding BJ against the cage and hoping he would gas. BJ's conditioning is obviously where it needs to be and like always, his striking and ground game are on point. Great fight though. Looking forward to BJ vs. Sanchez.

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Damn that was the worst card I have seen in a while except for BJ's fight.:confused:

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that was a crap ufc, they need to put on more quality, less quantity

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Give me a break! I guess Fedors new diggs will put on better fights :td

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They had too many ultimate fighters on the card and so far this has been the year they have been exposed. I thought Silva embarrassed Thales but Griffin might have looked even worse. Roy Jones better look out. I dont know why the UFC can't set up a Silva vs Jones boxing match in the UFC ? They would make a ton of money plus it would be fun to see a MMA striker against a boxer. Other organizations use to hold kickboxing matches at their events.

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Silva is the man!

The Sadollah fight could have gone longer, but the ref was right he wasnt intelligently defending himself...but I didnt think Hendricks wasnt really hitting him while he was down. Hendricks hit him with the first swing but after that was just swinging wildly at air. I watched Hendricks while he was at OSU so it was really cool to seem him in the UFC, I was rooting for him but didnt think the fight was over at that point.


Again Silva is the MAN!

Fedor is ducking the comp in the UFC.

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Lyoto Machida and Anderson Silva are on a different skill level then the rest of the UFC fighters. Don't expect a fight between the two because they are best friends and have already ruled it out.

Silva can beat what is left of RoyJones Jr. in a Boxing match...However, Silva would not have beaten a prime Roy Jones Jr. in a boxing match. A match now between the two is a joke. Roy is so past his prime...

As for Fedor, I seriously doubt he is afraid of any of the Heavyweights the UFC has... It is kind of a joke to even suggest that. Please explain why Fedor is ducking the very weak UFC heavyweight division? As much as I want Fedor to destroy that joke of a champion that Lesnar is, I'm happy Fedor has raised his middle finger toward the UFC...

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Silva vs Griffin was CRAZY!!! Kind of reminded me of when Liddel beat Sobral, only better. It started with Liddel back pedaling while Sobral was chasing. Then Chuck caught him with an upper cut or hook. Few fighters can hit that hard while moving backwards.

It didn't look like Anderson had any body movement to the punch. It was all arms.

I thought Griffin's best chance was to take Silva down and control him like Dan Henderson. I wonder how the ground game would have went. In any case, Anderson didn't wait for that to happen.

He won't fight Machida at 205, so who do you think would be the next best match up at LHW?

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Here is the Silva fight if anyone didn't see it:

http://www.myvideofight.com/UFC/Silva-vs-Griffin-Video

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Let's just say that I'm glad I didn't pay for this card.

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Rashad would be a good fight. Also Rampage too. If Randy dropped back to LHW that would be a fight also.......

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Thanks. I can't get enough of watching that.:D

So...Anderson is the most accurate striker in the UFC and last night they indicated BJ is 3rd on that list. Who is #2?

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I paid for it and was quite happy. To each their own I guess.:)

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me too.

Silva wonders why people boo him, but cheer him also. He is incredibly talented no doubt, but his "showboating" makes him look like an a-hole just as much as it makes his opponents look like scrubs in his presence.

Personally I love Silva, i'd say he's the best in the world hands down. I find his showboating amusing, but i also kind of hope one day he gets caught doing it and ktfo :)

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I want Silva back at middleweight. He looks overweight at 205. What's the deal with Okami? He is ranked as one of the top middleweights in the world, he deserves a title shot. I also want to see Silva vs Maia to see how Silva handles a Abu Dhabi champion.

Yeah I just looked up Roy Jones Jr's age and that would be a joke if they fought. Silva vs Mayweather than. That guy is a punk and is always talking trash on mma fighters.

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I'm still a bit stunned at how humiliating Silva's victory was...It was like watching someone fight Zeus. lol

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Silva is much better than anyone thinks. Even those of us that think he is the bees knees. I think he could take most of the heavyweights.

This card was just terrible and the next one is even worse. This one was a 2 fight card that turned out to be a one fight card. I'll never pay to watch a UFC PPV until they put on a stacked card. They rely too much on the main event. It just tells me that the UFC isn't as deep as people think they are. Then again, I'll never pay to see that either. Too many live streams available. I'll say it again, K-1, Dream and Sengoku cards are always good from top to bottom.

Golie has it right:
Silva dominated and humiliated Forrest. Him running out of the ring immediately was a b*tch move. I'll never look at him the same again. IF it went to the ground, Silva would have dominated. His bjj is just as amazing as his stand-up. He walks around normally at 205 so I don't think he looked out of place at all. And the BJ/KenFlo fight wasn't all that it was expected to be. I think KenFlo became nervous because he didn't look like himself and was timid. BJ was dominate on the ground and proved he is the best 155'er ever in the UFC. If he keeps himself in shape, nobody can beat him at 155.

I don't know why anyone would pay to see 102. Two over-the-hill fighters in the main event? And the undercard is just as crappy. I don't think so. It should be on Spike.

As far Fedor ducking, I don't think so. It's best for the UFC that he didn't come in. He would have ripped through everyone then left. The UFC heavyweight division is not good at all. They have 2, maybe 3 decent fighters. However, that could be said for just about every organization out there.

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Forest had a dislocated jaw from a previous hit, and he ran out to go directly to the hospital apparently

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I agree NC the next event is crap.

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I guess but I don't think that is the only reason he wanted to get out of there asap. He was totally outclassed and embarrassed and he knew it.

Good article about who is next for Silva. http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

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I purchased the fight and while I thought it could have been better I was still happy with the purchase. Silva is unstoppable, the only person I could even fathom beating him is GSP if he can get to the weight needed to fight him.

BJ is pound for pound one of the greatest fighters ever and he looked good last night. I think if he keeps up this new program and dedication he has a chance at holding the title for a very long time.