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Hi guys, I just wonder if you saw my post on European Champions League

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9296

No interest at all?

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no gerrard dove, fell, slipped on a nanner peel... but I honestly can say thats the first time I've seen someone carded for diving in the EPL. ever. anyways. I'm not sure how you can say Gerrard should have been sent off, nor alonso. Alonso did hit Lampards foot, but lumps was playing in a dangerous manner.. (studs high) worse case scenario a yellow for both. From Riley's perspective (behind lamps) all he could see was his foot 10 inches off the ground. But the bosingwa thing? really? seriously? wow. Riley didn't have control of that game, but not a surprise.

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Mr Italy. I didn't really understand your contest. I for one am certainly in for a Champions league pool. Perhaps you could explain it better? here?

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I watched the game.

I am in the minority when I agree with the Lampard send off. Lampard did come in with studs up just above the ankle. Easy to break someone's leg and possibly end a career. I think officials need to crack down harder on this sort of play.

Gerrard went down way to easily. Has he been watching C. Ronaldo?
I believe referees need to crack down harder on this behavior as well. It ruins the game. It's getting extremely difficult for referees to do a proper job without players deliberately trying to cheat.

Can someone clue me in on the Boswinga incident? I don't recall what you are referring to.

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Gerrard's just got lucky I guess.

http://disk919.com/bb2/ca/partystevieg.gif

Yellow for diving and a red for hammering the ball into Bosingwa's jiggly bits from a foot away after the whistle had gone.

Alonso had the yellow for the studs-up straight-in and there was another obvious yello that should have been given him, I recall thinking it at the time but can't recall exactly what it was. I was glad to see him remain however, he's an outstanding player and a gentleman.

As I understand the Laws of the Game there is only intent-to-injure or violent-conduct that are taken into account to determine if a red card is warranted in these types of situations?

As I understand the unwritten rules that refs seem to go by traditionally in the BPL, lately anyhow, it tends to change, there is consideration given to (1) studs-up (pointing at the opposition), (2) straightness of body and line behind the tackle (momentum and weight for max payload) and the (3) height of the challenge (on the opponent's body).

Laws-wise I don't think Lampard or Alonso should have been tossed, they were both honest attempts at the ball. Unwritten rules-wise I think Alonso's was the more violent of the 2 due to the fact the he landed studs into the metatarsals with the straight locked body and angle of challenge behind it delivering large payload (I was suprised to see the Chelsea boy get up and continue). Lampard on the other hand was a sweeping motion (no locked straight body, knee was flexing) and his studs were not pointed at the opposing player. He was however higher than Alonso in the challenge but that's where the ball was, and he got it clean. Alonso actually swung at the ball, missed, and made the contact with Lampard! Rough justice. I'd have a hard time giving Lampard a yellow for that much less a red. To be honest however, it looked nasty in real time and I don't blame the ref too much, his angle on the incident made it look even worse.

Last few minutes Yossi took it to the corner flag to kill the clock and Bosingwa stuck his studs in the small of his back, pushing him out of bounds and the ball with him. Throw in to Chelsea :) Wasn't a kick to do damage but it was definitely a red card beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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:r:r

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Attn: Boone
From: aldukes & jason

Subject: Proclamation

From this day forward all laughing will be changed from " hahahha" to "rafahahah".

That is all.

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:r:r RAFLMAO :r:r

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*sigh* Keane is gone.

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http://disk919.com/bb2/ca/rafl.gif RAFL http://disk919.com/bb2/ca/rafl.gif

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no?

I guess we shall know soon enough about Lampard as THE fa has already said Bosingwa wouldn't face charges, that my friends, is absolutely ridiculous. Zero intent to play the ball, played dangerously, honestly looked malicious to me... so with the FA going that route, Alonso will end up with a 3 match ban.

"Referee Mike Riley has informed the FA that, while he did not see the incident himself, it was seen by his assistant Mo Matadar. No action was taken against Bosingwa by the officials.

"Under the FIFA Laws of the Game, the FA is prohibited from taking disciplinary action when incidents are seen at the time by the match officials."

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This whole thing is crazy. This will be one of those games that will be talked about for years to come.

Just saw the slo-mo and lampard gets the ball first. Terrible.

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I honestly was glad to see a dive called . I don't really remember the play exactly but I do remember the yellow . Watch Luca Toni for Bayern enough and you will see some over embellishment of contact . The referee's have a hard enough job to do but the non call on Bosingwa was ridiculous . He was frustrated but he has got to stay in control and not put his boot in any ones arse . How long will Torres remain with Liverpool ? That kid is clutch . One other question I have - Is there any connection between Celtic , Liverpool and Manchester United ?

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Which means absolutely squat.
A common misconception about the laws of thegame is that many feel that if the player gets the ball first, there can be no foul or card.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with the call. Just with the reasoning that the call was terrible because he got the ball first.

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means he was playing the ball, not the man, doesn't it? that goes a long way towards excluding the possibility of intent to injure or violent conduct

now lets move on to Shawn Wright Phillips, nasty tackle then a plain retaliation kick, red card! No, foul for Citeh :confused:

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There's the rule and what actually happens. I totally understand where youre coming from, being its the rules and all, but on a 50/50 ball the player that gets there first always gets the benefit of the doubt.

To me, Lampard starts his approach early enough, it was obvious in my judgement that he was going for the ball not the player. Alonso did not have possession of the ball.

I would have cautioned both players for dangerous play. Lampard for sliding high and the Alonso for coming in with a high boot after the ball was cleared away.

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http://www.fcupdate.nl/nieuws/2009/0...straft_112842/

You won't understand the language, but the video at the bottom shows it all.

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Well my english is very bad and I'm sorry, but what you really do not understand?

°°°°°°°°
Who agrees, to the contest, put's in a stick declaring it at time of signing his name for the final winner of the contest.

First leg : Must guess the final eight not later than February 23rd (it can also be changed, last one is the valid one)

Second leg : Must guess the final four not later than April 6th ( If only one winner from first leg, we take also the best runners up to go ahead but they have to add another cigar if they decide to continue )

Third leg : Must choose the final Champion, not later than April 27th and you get all the cigars.

All the partecipants will send on May 28th the cigars to the winner.


Atlético - Porto 24/02 » 11/03 »
Lyon - Barcelona 24/02 » 11/03 »
Arsenal - Roma 24/02 » 11/03 »
Inter - Man. United 24/02 » 11/03 »
R. Madrid - Liverpool 25/02 » 10/03 »
Chelsea - Juventus 25/02 » 10/03 »
Villarreal - Panathinaikos 25/02 » 10/03 »
Sporting - Bayern 25/02 » 10/03 »


I start :

Mr.Italy > Gran Pyramide Hoyo de Monterrey from humidor

First Leg Choise.

Porto
Barcelona
Roma
Inter
Liverpool
Chelsea
Panathinaikos
Bayern

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my apologies sir, If i'd taken the time to read I think I would have understood. basically You pick who goes through from the first round, second and then the final? I'm not trying to ruin your contest but what happens if we tie?

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I believed it was already difficult to get to teh end, but yes if we tie we share the cigars and...... for doing it a bit more difficult we could :

- assign a number of points per leg guessed correctly.
- and assign a number of points for correctly guessing the aggregate score.
- so you must pick winners for each game and most points wins.

example:
Liverpool V Real I predict liverpool to win by an aggregate score of 3-1.

If Liverpool go through. I get 2 points
If I guess the correct aggregate score, I get 1 point. totaling 3 points.

person with the most points at end wins

But passage between 1st to 2nd and to 3rd leg is necessary mainly to get the winning team.

I hope it is clear, otherwise I renounce and hope somebody can build up something better.

Enjoy smoking watching European Champion League is my target :ss

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Lampard won his appeal against the red card so he won't be missing any games. Probably a good outcome because while I do think it was a penalty (you can't go in on a 50/50 ball with your cleats up like) not severe enough to warrant a 3 game suspension.

The no call on Bosingwa and subsequent ruling is atrocious. Because the refs messed up, and even admitted to doing so, you can't punish the player later. Doesn't make an sense to me.

It was nice to see a card given out for diving and is something I would like to see catch on.. Even though I don't think he was actually diving that play, there were other times that game by him and others were it looked like it could have been called. I would love to see a certain Portuguese player who seems to have trouble keeping his footing around the penalty box be called for this.

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What you think of Quaresma to Chelsea? will he find space in teh team ?

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In regard to the Chelsea game on Sunday and all of the B.S that went on, in my opinion, Mike Reilly lost control of the game early on. The referee is supposed to allow play to go on and not get overly involved. The actions by some of the players and the roughness in which the game was played was due to Reilly missing or miss calling actions.

As to the cards:

Lampard=deserved a yellow at most, got a red but it's been overturned.
Gerrard=dive, deserved a yellow.
Gerrard=kicking the ball into Kalou, at least a yellow, maybe a red.
Mascherano=probably deserved a yellow early on
Alonso=deserved a yellow in the Lampard mess.
Bosingwa=I'm a Blue's fan and I feel that he deserved a red, a fine and maybe a suspension.

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There are enough Portuguese players on the team to make him feel at home. He should get along with Scolari and if they play him on the left side then Chelsea can go 4-4-2. I'm hoping that he brings some speed and ball handling to the team. I always liked Wright Phillips because he could take the ball deep and then cross. Quaresma should be able to do the same as well as shoot from the outside of the off foot creating scoring opportunities.

You've probably seen more of his play than I have, what do you think of the move.

Good or bad for Chelsea?

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CR keeps slipping on the gel dripping from his hair:r

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He is been playing very little and very badly with Inter, never actually showed any skils. Basically he has failed over here even if he had in Mourinho a pusher that tried in all ways to "wake him up".

I understand this is his last chance to show in a big team, if he will fails he will go back to play in portiguese championship.

I hope he recovers as 20 Million Euro spent with no results is really bad ( I understand it is been given free to Clesea until June).

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bloody hell. Gerrard is injured.

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WTF!!!

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watched the last 10 of OT, apparently that's all I needed to see. Torres injured too?

You know I hate to casue anymore pain than is necessary but I just manufactured this yesterday and have to get some use out of it:

http://disk919.com/bb2/ca/rafl.gif RAFAHAHAHA http://disk919.com/bb2/ca/rafl.gif

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I recorded it, and now that I've watched it. Lucas was worthless and in the long run might have cost us the game. Gerrard is out for 3 weeks. It means Gerrard will miss this weekend's trip to Portsmouth as well as England's friendly with Spain next week.

The news is a massive blow to Liverpool's title challenge as their talisman will also miss the home clash with Manchester City on 22nd February and possibly the UEFA Champions League tie with Real Madrid three days later.

He's missing games against relegation close teams and Real. Thank goodness for the extra week from the internationals. bad time to be with out Gerrard, however I'll say liverpool might have played their best game this season without him, and torres. v Man United. Hurts my fantasy team as I've only got 2 transfers and can't afford to pull him and then add him back, hopefully lucas will leave and we'll pick up a new strong midfielder not someone who can't handle pressure.

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They have a 62 man squad and a top manager, they should be fine.

What do you think about Gerrard's place in the team? Is he not replaceable? Do you think he bosses Rafa any? He's got the teeth (I've heard that he bares them as well) due to fan support. I've always thought Rafa would not want to rely on him so completely but he'd lose the supporters if he included him in the crazy rotations.

They have the depth of talent to take care of business but I'm not sure about the mentality, spiritual issues if you will.

I hope they excel while he's out

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While Gerrard is an irreplaceable type of player, I too think that Liverpool will do alright without him. I think Benayoun has been playing well lately and can fill in for him pretty well. I also wouldn't be surprised if Rafa started playing Babel back a bit to serve as a bridge from the midfielders to Torres. Liverpool's schedule also is pretty light, save the Man City game, but they have been dropping way too many points to the weaker clubs this year so who knows. I do wonder however as to how Robbie Keane could have filled in with Gerrard out. I think he would have played nicely in Gerrard's spot behind Torres.

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This year? That has been their problem for a couple of years now. They just can't seem to bury the sides they should.

Breaks my heart.

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Liverpools title tilt shouldn't be determined by missing steven gerrard for 2 PL matches. while he would add something to Any team, I'm more worried about the first leg of the Real Madrid clash.

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True. But we all know that the CL title will be little consolation. The EPL title is the hardware to be had.

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Tomorrow I will mostly be supporting West Ham.

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lumpy I'm with you. GO 'AMMERS!

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you had your day in the sun

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First Adams - then Scolari- will Rafa be next?

Prob not. but its wishful thinking.

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messers gillet and hicks have said that if There is no PL title rafa is gone. according to what I've read. But Scolari getting sacked is pretty impressive. Didn't see that coming...don't be surprised if Gian Franco Zola winds up at the bridge

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Another great goal by Fernando Torres on Saturday . Good game overall too , I thought . I'm learning about some of the interesting rules like intentionally playing a ball back to your keeper and that the keeper can't use his hands on said play . Are there any other rules that a new fan should be aware of ? Giggs had a good goal on Sunday as well .

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To clarify your statement "intentionally playing a ball back to your keeper and that the keeper can't use his hands on said play"

The direction (back) is immaterial. The goalkeeper may not handle the ball in his own penalty area when it has been played deliberately (not a deflection) by a teammate. The result is an indirect free kick for the opposing team.

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thus resulting in a goal for fabio.

aldukey how goes your club season?

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Due to snow and temps around 10 degrees for 3 Wednesdays straight- the winter league was canceled. We have "scrimmages" that are planned week by week now.

I'm thinking about taking everyone's numbers from the previous contest and applying them to Spring season that starts the first week of March. I still have plenty of cigars to give away.

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wow! it's like 60 degrees here. Our season is 1 week away getting kinda excited.. and worried my left knee is questionable.. and it's my good knee. you should put up some pictures of your kit and the like...

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We wear Arsenal jerseys :hn

I think were getting new kits in the fall- I'll post them up when we do.

I am starting to look at new boots though

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one of the guys on my team bought those. says he loves them. I picked up some year old preds white and blue... sorry you're forced to wear arsenal shirts...

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seriously! espn? unbelievable. showing argentina v france instead of Spain v England? WTF OVER!

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Guus Hiddink to replace Scolari at Chelsea. He is going to continue managing the Russia national team as well. Not the most obvious of choices if yoask me, but he is one of Abramovich's guys so not a huge surprise. Given his success at PSV, I'm sure Don has a comment or two about him.