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The guy that beat fedor in sambo that's never had an MMA match? Antonio Silva I agree with though. Roger Gracie has had 2 fights, one 3 years ago and one a year ago. Sure he's a Gracie, but that's about it. As far as the UFC, there's obviously Brock. If he gets by Brock, there's guys like Shane Carwin, Gonzaga, possibly Mir in the future depending if he bounces back, Junior Dos Santos if he continues on the streak he's had, and of course Couture. Granted he's aging and the upcoming fight against Nog will tell a lot. All would likely be great match ups and would yield Fedor much more exposure to an audience that he doesn't have than M1 and Dream would.

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Who knows what to believe?

M-1 COO: Report of six fight, $30 million offer from UFC “completely ludicrous”

Reports have surfaced over the course of the past 24 hours that M-1 Global officials and Fedor Emelianenko turned down a six-fight, $30 million contract offer from the UFC. But in a new exclusive interview with Sherdog.com’s Loretta Hunt, M-1 Global Chief Operating Officer Joost Raimond is quoted as denying that such an offer exists.

Raimond labeled the report as “completely ludicrous” while revealing that talks with the UFC never progressed to a point where a specified number of fights was finalized.

Raimond was also quick to point out that the UFC’s offer did not approach anywhere near the $30 million figure that many claim Fedor and M-1 was offered.

“I can say that the guaranteed — and the word ‘guaranteed’ is of great importance here — the guaranteed offer made by the UFC is less than what Fedor made before,” Raimond told Hunt. “The five-million (per fight) is way, way, way out of range. Half of that is even way out of range of what they offered.”

Regardless of the money, Raimond reaffirmed that a major sticking point in the negotiations is the UFC’s insistence to sign Fedor as a UFC fighter with no connection to M-1.

“We made it clear that Fedor, now and forever is part, even part owner, of M-1 and those two cannot be separated,” Raimond is quoted. “If the rest of M-1 is excluded from any kind of deal, it makes the deal difficult.”

http://www.m-1global.com/lang/en/200...rous%e2%80%9d/

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The offer that was made to Fedor was not 30 Million as the article somewhat states above, but it kind of was. Apparently the guaranteed amount to actually show up and fight was in the neighborhood of what he was making at Affliction, but a little less. The 30 million figure was an estimated number based on the points he was getting on PPV buys and the cut he was getting off the points that the UFC was giving M1.

Does the current #1 HW fighter in the world deserve to have the highest guaranteed check from the UFC? Absolutely. But to say that he deserves these ridiculous figures is insane. Like I said before, the UFC doesn't need him. Would it be nice to have him? Sure. But in the end, they bent so many of their previous rules and stances they took with fighters to make this happen and M1 continued to be difficult. Good riddance Fedor.

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I have a feeling that Fedor is already in the UFC and all this is is to get people talking about it. And if you look at MMA boards and MMA news outlets, that's all they are talking about. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fedor in the audience at UFC 101 on the 8th.

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If he is, Brock's gonna have a hard time sleeping.

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I am one of the biggest Brock fans you will find but I think Fedor would crush him.

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I'm not a Brock fan at all, I think he's an arrogant asshole and he does nothing but piss me off, but I'll gladly bet a box of cigars that Brock wins if they fight.

Honestly, I think it's going to be extremely hard for anyone under 260-270lbs to beat him. He's so damn fast and big that once he's on top of you, it's likely gonna be game over. I wanted Mir to crush Lesnar, but obviously that didn't happen... One person in the MMA world that I think could have a good shot at him would be Overeem. But once again, Brock is so dominant when it comes to wrestling that if it went to the ground, it could be over. I'd really like Brock's next fight to be some that has a great Muy-Thai/Kickboxing background that is a good size and is solid on the ground.

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That's exactly what he and Dana wants. :tu

Sorry, I don't bet. No matter the situation, I would lose. Ask Icehog. :r

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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...hog3/kahn1.jpg

It's true! It's true!! :r

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I think Fedor's too good on the ground to let someone lay on top of him. Plus Brock has been rocked by couture and that knee by Mir and not to many hit harder than Fedor. I see Brock getting his face beat the hell up like Heath Herring did when he faced fedor or victory by leg lock.

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I'd definitely take that bet with you...If they ever fight. I'm trying to stay optimistic but things aren't looking good for Fedor's arrival in the UFC.

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Dan Lauzon and Rafaello Oliveira Sign With UFC, Square Off at UFC 103

Two more Affliction cast-offs have found a new home with the UFC, as lightweights Dan "the Upgrade" Lauzon and Rafaello "Tractor" Oliveira have signed with the organization, and will face each other in the Octagon at UFC 103 in Dallas in September. Jason Benfari at FiveKnuckles.com has the report:

A source close to the event has informed FiveKnuckles.com that Dan Lauzon will square off against long time B.J. Penn training partner Rafaello Oliveira at UFC 103 in Dallas, TX. The fight is expected to be announced by Dana White as part of a UFC press conference tomorrow.

Originally scheduled to face Chris Horodecki on the Afffliction card, Dan Lauzon (12-2, 0-1 UFC) will join his older brother Joe in the UFC's crowded lightweight division, marking the first time in UFC history that two brothers will compete in the same weight class. This will not be Dan's UFC debut either, as he faced Spencer Fisher way back at UFC 64 when he was just 18 years old. Although he lost to Fisher via first round TKO, he made history as the youngest fighter ever to compete in the Octagon. Since that loss, Lauzon has gone 8-1, and with first or second stoppages in all his victories.

Rafaello Oliveira (8-1) is a BJJ standout and a long-time training partner of UFC lightweight champion BJ Penn. Oliveira was slated to take on Takanori Gomi at Affliction and was seen in one of BJ Penn's recent video blogs as being clearly distraught over the cancellation of that fight. "Tractor" will finish helping Penn prepare for his title defense against Kenny Florian next week, before resuming his own training for the September 19th clash with Lauzon.

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All signs are reporting to UFC's announcement that is going to be made today will be confirming rumors that Tito is back and who and when his next fight will be along with touching more on the ESPN deal that was signed for the over seas market.

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He just doesn’t like doing laundry in public…

“There have been recent reports stating that talk between M-1 Global and the UFC regarding Fedor fighting in the UFC have ended. Like some of the other reports that have surfaced, this is incorrect. It is unfortunate that so much incorrect information has been leaked to the public. It is M-1’s preference not to negotiate in public and we are unsure why people claim that Fedor and M-1 turned down a six fight, $30 million contract to fight in the UFC when no such offer was ever made. Even though Lorenzo Fertitta and Dana White did not meet with Fedor in person on Tuesday, they were represented over the phone. Outside of representatives of the UFC and M-1, no other company was represented during our negotiations. Since we did not go to the media with details of the meeting and only responded to the erroneous reports, we are unsure how these reports started. It’s unfortunate because these type of tactics will not help ensure that M-1’s talks with the UFC are fruitful. M-1 Global is still interested in continuing to negotiate with the UFC and while we are fielding offers from other major promotions, nothing has been decided. It is our hope that the UFC will remain in active dialogue with us as we try to find ways for us to work together. All we are asking is that there is give-and-take in the negotiations and that they are not one-sided.”

-Vadim Finkelchtein, Co-owner and President of M-1 Global, issued a press release earlier today to reassure the mixed martial arts community that he’s not completely out of the Dana White business. Meanwhile, Fedor Emelianenko was shipped back to Russia without a new employer after the fall of Affliction and UFC fans will have to hope for other news coming out of White’s afternoon press conference to quell their insatiable hunger for UFC-related news. Tito? Vitor? Stay tuned…

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I'm finding it hard to care if Tito is back. There is plenty of good fighters at light heavyweight, and his last few fights in the UFC didn't do much for me. I'm just sort of.. eh .. bout him.

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Vitor already signed to a new promotion in Brazil

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Maybe so, but he's one of the most popular fighters in UFC history and can carry a PPV on his back without a problem. Tito coming back, even in a gatekeeper role will still be huge. I have a feeling he'll get a lay up or two, fight a top contender, and maybe get one last run at the title. The problem is that 205 is so deep now and there are already numerous people in line that so it's going to be interesting. You have Shogun fighting for the title soon, then the winner of Rampage and Rashad will get a shot, then there's Forrest and you can't forget about Rich Franklin. All things are pointing towards a Franklin vs. Ortiz main event at 103 which will put one of them in immediate title contention in my eyes.

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Press Conference Updates:
-UFC has signed Vitor Belfort and will be fighting Franklin at 103
-Dana said they tried everything to get Fedor but refused to co-promote. Said Fedor will never see a deal like this again.
-Tito is officially back long-term and will retire in the UFC. Tito: "Time cures everything. Dana apologized to me....It was about competition...financially I'm ok...Dana stuck by his word."
-ESPN and UFC signed a 3yr TV deal for broadcasts in the UK
-Tito: "If if fought in Strikeforce, who would I fight? I have no more pain in my legs, no more numbness. It's about competition. I expect to return in Nov. or Dec"
-Dana: "Tito will have ring rust. First fight back could be against Marc Coleman"
-Franklin vs. Vitor will be at 205.
-Dan Henderson is next in line for a title shot against Anderson Silva.
-Dana: M-1's going to "co-promote"? They're going to help US? "That **** probably works in Russia. Not here. Were coming to Japan, it can't be stopped"

Will update as it goes on.

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-Dana: "M-1's request is like Brett Favre doing a deal with a team saying "We're going be 50% partners"."
-Dana: "White: Everything that we thought was a sticking point we fixed, re: Fedor. As far as I know, deal breaker is co-promotion."
-Dana: "White: We were willing to make a deal at almost any cost, re: Fedor and M-1"
-Dana: "White: "we did EVERYTHING to make this deal happen. We didn't hold back on anything. We gave everything." Fedor doesnt want to fight the best."
-Dana: "White: I flew to Tito's house to do a deal with Tito. With Fedor, we gave EVERYTHING to make this fight happen."
-Tito Ortiz: "squashing beef with Dana actually more on his mind than returning to UFC."
-Dana: "I buried the hatchet with Atencio, Affliction personnel. I apologized to Bud Light, but "it all worked out in the end."
-Dana: "the deal that I said "would change the UFC forever" is "very close" to happening and NOT the Tito Ortiz deal."
-Dana: "Vitor's mentally and physically back. His contract was up and we were interested. Him and Rich is a fun fight."
-Dana: "if M-1 is ready to make a deal, they can call me right now. "I wanted this thing so bad. I was so confident this was going 2 happen"
-Tito: "I was close to signing with Strikeforce. Coker is an awesome guy, but there's no one for me to fight there."
-Dana: "if we get a network deal, "we're putting serious fights" on television. "It's going to be so awesome for the fans"

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Conference call ended a few minutes ago. I for one am very excited about Franklin vs. Vitor, even though after this fight at 205, Vitor will likely drop back down to 185. Love him or hate him, I'm pumped that Tito is back. The energy he brings and his popularity with fans both new and old will be nice to have back in the UFC.

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Was Franklin always at 205? I was never big into him, so I can't even remember.

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Rich started in the UFC at 205, then dropped to 185 and went on a tear holding the title for some time until Anderson Silva came into the picture and owned him 2x in a row. After that Rich moved up to 205 as a third fight with Silva wasn't going to happen and he didn't want to be Anderson's gate keeper. The only problem is that he still is Anderson's gate keeper. He fought Wandy at 195 to see if he could cut it at 185. Wandy drops to 185 and will now be a contender for Anderson. He fought Hendo at 205, who he lost to, which led to a fight with Bisping which, after todays press conference, resulted in Hendo getting a title shot. Now he's fighting Vitor at 205, who openly said he wants Anderson. If Vitor wins, he'll also drop to 185 to go for a title shot as well. Everyone Rich has fought above 185 since moving up in weight has dropped to 185 to go for the title. Rich should have stayed at 185 if he was going to just have the gatekeeper role that Dana told him he wouldn't. The whole point that Rich moved to 205 was because he didn't want to be a gatekeeper and he felt he could make a title run at 205.

In the end, I think Rich needs to be fighting legitimate 205 lb title contenders and stop fighting people that will do nothing for his career. How about Rich vs Jardine? Rich vs. Forrest? Maybe Luiz Cane or Thiago Silva? There is so much talent at 205 that for Rich to continue to be Anderson's gate keeper at 205 to determine if the guy he fights drops to 185 to make a title run is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I'm PUMPED for Vitor vs. Rich, but it makes ZERO sense for Rich.

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It's obvious from reading your post why this will never happen and Rich will continue as the gatekeeper...it makes complete sense! As we know this is not a feasible condition for UFC, we will probably see GSP fighting Rich at the 192.637 lbs catch weight! :r

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Just for clariification about Fedor's role in M-1. He is part owner.

"We made it clear that Fedor, now and forever is part, even part owner, of M-1 and those two cannot be separated, Raimond noted. If the rest of M-1 is excluded from any kind of deal, it makes the deal difficult." - Joost Raimond, CEO for M-1 Global

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Rich just posted on Twitter that the fight between him and Vitor will be at a catch weight of 195 per Vitor's request.

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I'll take a foot in mouth for going on some bad info.
Good to know. As good as Fedor is I have to side with the UFC on this. M-1 wants to bring one fighter to the show but rake half the pot. They can go somewhere else and fans will know they are not putting forth the effort to fight the top guys. UFC's HW division has improved 10 fold and will be more stacked than others.

It's a shame as I still wanted to see Fedor vs Couture

For heavens sake, if Franklin is going to move to 205 then just let him fight guys in that division .

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Dang, I was half in jest with the catch weight thing...{sigh}

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I'm looking foward to the Franlin vs Vitor fight. I hope Vitor kicks his butt after Franklin won a decision by back peddling against Wandy . It seems like Vitor should be an old guy because he has been fighting so long. He fought in UFC 12 for crying out loud. But he is only 32 and still in his prime right now.

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Come on, should he stand toe 2 toe and play you punch me and I'll punch you. That's Wandy's game, not Franklins. Stick and move, hit the angles.

This should be a great fight. Vitor is looking pretty good and back on his game.

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Agreed. Franklin would get KTFO if he stood and banged with Wandy, MANY have. I love Wandy, he's been one of my favorite fighters since the Pride days. It's a shame he gone downhill since coming back into the UFC, I had high hopes for him to come in and be a beast. Rich has always fought smart (for the most part. Trying to clinch with Anderson fights in a row was beyond stupid, but whatever, lol). Being a Cincinnati native, I gotta root for the hometown guy!

I'm excited to see Vitor vs Rich, probably one of the fights I'm looking forward to the most all year.

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thats cool if thats how he wants to approach it. But than the UFC needs to get with the times and update how they score a fight and get off this boxing 10pt scoring system. More emphasis needs to be made on making a fight and how it finishes. and less on if they take someone down but can't do anything. I see too many times in the UFC where guys dance around the final 2 minutes or lay on top of and hold people people like Rich did because they think there winning by points.

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Sengoku 9 starts in an hour, there is a live brodcast on Just in TV at 3:00am. Their having the featherweight grand prix finals. Marlon Sandro is a heavy favorite, is 14 -0 and trains at Nova Uniao with Thales Leites and Xande Riberio. Blagoi Ivanov (the guy that beat Fedor) is making his mma debut against Fujita. Also a guy I have alot of respect for and a true samauri Misaki is fighting the character Nakamura.
Enjoy, it airs on HD net on Fri @ 10:00pm.

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Stayed up to watch Sengoku 9 last night. I think that was the longest match I ever watched, it was over 5 hours. Some of the highlight were American Dan Hornbuckle had a great performance against Akihiro Gono who returned to Japan after some decision loses in the UFC. Hornbuckle finished him on a brutal head kick knockout and Gono could not move for over 5 minutes. I thought he was dead until I saw him breathing a minute or 2 after the KO, he had to leave on a stretcher. Misaki had a good performance against Nakamura. To finish he landed a flying knee the got Nakamura in a guilitine. I felt kind of bad for Nakamura he left the ring immediately with a towel over his head and you could here him crying loudly. Blagoi Ivanov had a not so impresive mma debut and won by split decision against Fujita. His punches while strong but were wild windmill puches that people in barfights use and he was exhausted after the 1st round and his ground game is suspect. He is tall and a southpaw which is what might have

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thrown Fedor off. For the featherweight tournament the 2 best fighters did not make it to the finals. Hatsu Hioki had a impresive performance showcasing his great ground game, transitions and submission attempts. But Kanehara wouldn't give up and it went to the judges where Hioki won by decision. Hioki sufered from a concussion after the fight and Kanehara went to the finals for him. The Sandro vs Omigawa fight ended in a draw but the judges chose Omigawa to go to the finals. Sandro's team didn't care for the decision and hoisted Sandro up on their shoulders declaring him the victor. One of the judges even gave Sandro a one point advantage in the scoring. Omigawa went with a busted up left eye from Sandro went on to lose to Kanehara in the finals.

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Fedor signs multifight deal with strikeforce.

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“”I’m in Abu Dhabi right now and my reaction is Fedor is a [expletive] joke. [He] turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies, for no money. Fedor is a [expletive]!”

Classic. Love Dana or hate Dana, he speaks his mind. I gotta say, I agree with him. You got Brett Rogers who while doing well, really hasn't been tested. You have Werdum who couldn't cut it in the UFC and you have Overeem who is constantly injured and has bailed on multiple fights in the past year or so. Strikeforce just wrote half their company over to M-1 hoping that Fedor will take them to the next level. I'm not drinking the Kool Aid. I picture Diaz leaving and coming back to the UFC and possibly Shields and Lawler following suit in the near future....

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The whole thing is so bizarre and senseless..

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Fedor isn't the best HW in the world. He used to be, but isn't now. For those who say he has nothing to prove, the only constant is change, and Fedor of the past may not be the same Fedor as today, and unless he fights in the octagan vs some incredible HW's in the ufc, he isn't the best imo.

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I don't know if this move by Fedor is proof that he is scared, but someone in his camp is. They clearly wanted control over their fighter and the ability to put him in matchups that best suit him. Someone knew that the heavyweight division in UFC isn't something that he could conquer. M-1 wanted some sort of controling stake in UFC and it sounds like Dana wanted just a fight contract. Maybe eventually he will realize that M-1 is holding him back or that he isn't as good as everyone says he is. Time will tell if this move will even save Strikeforce. :hm

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I have no reason to doubt Fedor as the best. He simply is. No one can match his stats. That being said, the less and less he fights, and if he starts fighting really irrelevant opponents...THEN we can make the argument that he can't be the best. GSP and Anderson Silva are already threatening to take his crown, in my opinion.

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Fedor used to be the best. Not now.

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THE FEDOR-STRIKEFORCE DEAL; UFC COMMENTS (UPDATED)
Monday, August 03, 2009 - by Steven Marrocco - MMAWeekly.com

Joost Raimond, Chief Operating Officer for M-1 Global, said the deal to sign Fedor Emelianenko to Strikeforce was completed Monday morning, just before a press release was sent to media outlets. Details of the agreement were finalized in recent days.

Emelianenko, the top-ranked heavyweight fighter in the world, will make his debut for the San Jose, Calif., based promotion sometime in the fall, his first time fighting inside a cage. Strikeforce Director of Communications Mike Afromowitz told MMAWeekly.com that Emelianenko is contracted for three fights.

The news came as an abrupt about-face to earlier reports that Emelianenko and his team were in the process of fielding offers from multiple promotions, including a lucrative proposal from the UFC, which clamored for the Russian’s services last week.

UFC president Dana White had just landed in the United Arab Emirates for the 2009 Abu Dhabi Submission Wrestling Championships when he heard the news.

"Fedor is a ****ing joke, he turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies for no money!" White commented to MMAWeekly.com via email through a UFC representative.

"I feel sorry for the real fight fans. I wanted to make the deal, but it takes two and it is VERY obvious Fedor doesn't want to fight the best, and doesn't give a **** about the fans," added the brash UFC executive.

Raimond said Strikeforce met M-1 Global’s chief demand to co-promote events which Emelianenko fought on.

“It was a good opportunity,” said Raimond. “(The co-promotion) is a substantial part. The whole set-up for the deal is to have co-promotion partners, and of course, Fedor is an important part of that construction. But the co-promotion deal is of great importance.”

Raimond declined to say whether the financial side of Emelianenko’s deal with Strikeforce was comparable or better to other offers.

“All the assumptions flying around about the offer are assumptions made by various people, and are quite unsubstantiated,” he said. “The financials behind his deal are based on a large number of factors, which include the co-promotion and co-branding activities, and Fedor is a part of that total deal.”

When asked whether Emelianenko would fight on CBS this fall, Raimond said, “It would seem that way, yes.”

However, he amended his statement shortly after.

“The timing for that cannot be confirmed,” he continued. “But of course, because of the broadcasting deals Strikeforce has, these things all become very possible.”

Kelly Kahl, Senior Executive Vice President for CBS Primetime TV, said he “wouldn’t rule out” a Strikeforce show on CBS late this year. He said his network had no direct hand in the Emelianenko deal, but stood to gain from it with options the network held to broadcast Strikeforce events.

“This was, quite frankly, a straight Strikeforce deal,” he said. “I don’t believe anything was represented on the part of CBS. Strikeforce and, I would assume, Showtime, get all the credit.”

In the press release issued Monday morning, Strikeforce stated Emelianenko’s first fight would be broadcast on Showtime. Afromowitz said a press conference announcing details on the new relationship was forthcoming.

Raimond said the new deal included plans to co-promote shows with Strikeforce overseas in Europe, where M-1 has conducted most of its shows. He said other M-1 fighters were Strikeforce bound as well, but did not name any names.

“We have a much more international view on the entire business, and Strikeforce is very U.S. domestic oriented, and we have always been much more internationally minded.”

Emelianenko, who returned to Russia Wednesday following a press conference in Anaheim, Calif., said he was happy to have a home again.

“I am looking forward to going back to work and fighting at the highest level,” he said.

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White was right, Fedor _IS_ a retard.

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I for one don't agree with Dana White. He is unprofessional, imature and a liar. Also the rumor about the 5 fights for 30 million offer was false . It was more like 3 fights for less than 2 million each. I am probably in the minority but I think the Strikeforce M1 deal is a good thing for MMA. Because Strikeforce is cool with copromotion they can sign any fighter in the world that is not signed to the UFC. I also think Overeem is in his prime right know and a good challenge for Fedor. He completly dominated a fight with Cro Crop last year before a accidental low blow ruled it a no contest. No offense but Tough guys like Carwin and Lesnar grow on trees.

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Hope there's none of those trees in my neighborhood. ;)

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Sweet!! MMA fans... If anybody in my local area wants to watch UFC 101 shoot me a PM. :tu

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:r

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Strikeforce and DREAM are working on an alliance.

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Ofcourse the 30 million was a rumor. Dana and M-1 both confirmed that all their talks were behind closed doors and the person who leaked that rumor had no knowledge of the situation. The M-1/Strikeforce merger is great for M-1 and Fedor, now they have a controlling stake in a second rate forum. It appears UFC and Dana were not willing to allow a promotion come in with one fighter and take some kind of controling stake of the #1 promotion in America.

You really think guys like Lesnar grow on trees? That guy is a damn freak. College wrestler, entertainment wrestler, NFL, and now the dominant heavyweight in MMA. Find another guy who tips the scales at well over 265 with a physique like that and a resume like that :hm

Great, now they have a place for all the guys who can't cut it in UFC to go. :rolleyes:

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your right Brock does have an impressive resume, look at all the guys he has beaten. Anybody who doesn't fight in the UFC just plain sucks.